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Post by bluechip on Aug 12, 2013 10:10:44 GMT -5
One would need to assume that the Red Sox, Mets, and Rangers would be among the large market teams interested in Abreu. The Mets might want to invest in Ellsbury, but they could certainly afford both.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 12, 2013 10:11:17 GMT -5
Texas also has no state income tax.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 12, 2013 10:25:52 GMT -5
I am not surprised . Look at the money these guys are getting . Nothing has changed in Cuba they still are poor down there. I surprised they still have a team. I guess the reason some of these guys stay is because there families .
I have no clue regarding rules and so forth but that country if they have talented athletes that can play in the MLB then they should get a chance to do it. This is my opinion.
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Post by jbberlo22 on Aug 12, 2013 10:40:23 GMT -5
I think hell take around a 5/75-80m contract to get. With some competetion, lots of success from cubans in the mlb so far, and his power it should be around there. That puts his contract right with pujols and only a couple mil under votto. Is he really worth 3 times as much as Napoli? I know we have the cap but id rather take morse or hart for 2/10-12 than this contract. Really really risky.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 12, 2013 10:45:53 GMT -5
Maybe Jose Inglesias will put in a good word for us.
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2013 10:49:37 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of posts from the int'l signings thread to this one. In the future, before starting a new thread, please check to see if the topic you want to discuss hasn't already begun on an existing thread. Thanks!
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 12, 2013 11:01:58 GMT -5
I think hell take around a 5/75-80m contract to get. With some competetion, lots of success from cubans in the mlb so far, and his power it should be around there. That puts his contract right with pujols and only a couple mil under votto. Is he really worth 3 times as much as Napoli? I know we have the cap but id rather take morse or hart for 2/10-12 than this contract. Really really risky. How would that contract put him anywhere near Pujols or Votto? 5/75 isn't even near comparable to Votto's 12/252 or Pujols' 10/240, not even in terms of AAV. Sure there is risk involved in the deal, but any player with great power and upside will carry a risk factor with them. Just to put it in perspective, Pujols will be making $30mil in 2021 as a 41 year old. At age 26, 75-80mil is definitely worth it in this market, if Boston believes he scouts well. And Napoli is aging, wearing down, and would only solve their need for 1 more year. There's no long term solution in the minors, so unless you want 1-2 year rental for the near future, this is the guy to go all in on. That is, if he is though of highly by our scouts of course.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 12, 2013 11:28:10 GMT -5
I am thinking he might get a four year deal like Cepedes. Maybe 60/4. That will give him the freedom to get another big contract when he is 31. It will also protect the team against a long term investment.
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Post by knuckledown on Aug 12, 2013 11:43:07 GMT -5
I am thinking he might get a four year deal like Cepedes. Maybe 60/4. That will give him the freedom to get another big contract when he is 31. It will also protect the team against a long term investment. Good precedent I think and the Sox have shown they'll go a little higher to shorten a deal. That said 70/4 seems like too much money. The real question is, how will Sox fans feel about another JD?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 12, 2013 11:53:00 GMT -5
Its worth it when you consider the alternatives and we have no power hitting 1st basemen in the minors.
What we really need to stop spending money on innings eaters like Dempster.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 12, 2013 12:21:52 GMT -5
If this is like the other Cuban defectors, it will probably take a year for him to get his paperwork straight, if not more. Anyone here got any friends in D.C. who can grease the skids and make this happen, like, now? Seems this every administration is pretty good at waiving laws whenever it benefits them or one of theirs. Can we get a mulligan on this guy?FIXED Agreed. They are all pigs at the trough.
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Post by azsoxfan on Aug 12, 2013 12:23:41 GMT -5
If Abreu's path is simular to Cepedes path, he may not get relocation acceptance by the Dominican's until Jan 2014, thus by the time MLB clears him as a FA it may be Feb-Mar timeframe. Ben will need to have a first basemen in place prior to that date. It would be nice to sign him and place in in Port or PAW to see exactly what he would give the Sox. The Sox have holes to fill, McCann would be a nice replacement for Salty, must re-sign Ellsbury, Bradley needs to show more with his bat (a .276 hitter with 20%K rate, .154 avg & 30%K rate in MLB) falls way below El's .300+ avg and 13%K rate. I see Bradley for LF in 2015 if he can develop more. If the Sox re-sign Drew 1-2 yr deal, move Xander to 3rd and Will to first might be an internal option that could work, more youth and financial flexability.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2013 12:34:56 GMT -5
Texas also has no state income tax. That's a good point. You rarely hear players talk about taxes, but agents and financial advisers will use it when giving their advice. Some might say what's a few million when dealing with big numbers, but they will give him the numbers.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 12, 2013 12:47:33 GMT -5
If Abreu's path is simular to Cepedes path, he may not get relocation acceptance by the Dominican's until Jan 2014, thus by the time MLB clears him as a FA it may be Feb-Mar timeframe. Ben will need to have a first basemen in place prior to that date. It would be nice to sign him and place in in Port or PAW to see exactly what he would give the Sox. The Sox have holes to fill, McCann would be a nice replacement for Salty, must re-sign Ellsbury, Bradley needs to show more with his bat (a .276 hitter with 20%K rate, .154 avg & 30%K rate in MLB) falls way below El's .300+ avg and 13%K rate. I see Bradley for LF in 2015 if he can develop more. If the Sox re-sign Drew 1-2 yr deal, move Xander to 3rd and Will to first might be an internal option that could work, more youth and financial flexability. They're not re-signing Ellsbury or Drew most likely. Xander is a shortstop and WMB is a 3rd baseman. Sox could also re-sign Salty. McCann would require a huge contract.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 12, 2013 12:48:20 GMT -5
Wow. This is exactly the kind of a guy the Sox should be all over. He's the RH power hitting 1b the Sox need in the lineup to bat behind Big Papi.
I imagine it might take 6 years and between $70 - $100 million to get a deal done, but the Sox who have the room to do so and a bunch of young kids making league minimum on the way up - definitely need to go get this guy.
It would give the Sox their best lefty-righty combo since younger Ortiz/Manny and with no 1b of the future on the horizon it would clearly fill a need, and the Sox wouldn't have to clear out their minor league system to obtain a bat such as Stanton - they'd just have to pay $.
And yes, I'm making the huge assumption that this guy is a monster at the plate - and I definitely believe he is.
The Sox didn't go after Darvish as they should have and I wonder if they regret that now, but they should definitely take the plunge on this guy and as the point was made earlier, they would definitely need to overpay - Texas doesn't have a state income tax, but I think he'd be worth it. I'm already excited about the prospect of next year's lineup at this time.
Bradley, CF (with Abreu aboard the Sox wouldn't be able to re-sign Ellsbury) Pedroia, 2B Bogaerts, SS Ortiz, DH Abreu, 1B Nava/Carp/Gomes,LF Middlebrooks, 3B Salty, C (I think he'll be back) Victorino, RF
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2013 13:17:20 GMT -5
It's going to be at least 3-4 months until he's declared a free agent by MLB though. It's faster now. Puig signed within weeks of defecting.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 12, 2013 13:21:14 GMT -5
Puig came through Mexico. In the D.R they seem to be taking their time, see Cespedes, for some reason.
Edit: though we don't know where he is. Maybe he's in Haiti and it will be quicker.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2013 13:23:34 GMT -5
Puig came through Mexico. In the D.R they seem to be taking their time, see Cespedes, for some reason. Edit: though we don't know where he is. Maybe he's in Haiti and it will be quicker. I read last night (and this may be wrong) that the U.S. paperwork is also quicker now. But yes, I did forget about the Mexico thing, so good point there.
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Post by dfwsox on Aug 12, 2013 13:33:54 GMT -5
Texas also has no state income tax. That's a good point. You rarely hear players talk about taxes, but agents and financial advisers will use it when giving their advice. Some might say what's a few million when dealing with big numbers, but they will give him the numbers. Yeah that is a plus but I dont know they attract Fa here. Its like living on the equator. ahahj Its still upper 90s past 9pm in the summers.
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Post by sarcasmo on Aug 12, 2013 13:43:13 GMT -5
That's a good point. You rarely hear players talk about taxes, but agents and financial advisers will use it when giving their advice. Some might say what's a few million when dealing with big numbers, but they will give him the numbers. Yeah that is a plus but I dont know they attract Fa here. Its like living on the equator. ahahj Its still upper 90s past 9pm in the summers. Because Cuba is a lot like Canada, climate wise. ;-p Nothing less than going all out for this guy is required. Exactly the bat we need.
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Post by okin15 on Aug 12, 2013 13:58:28 GMT -5
So, I'm assuming that these Cuban defector types don't qualify for the IFA bonus pool money?
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2013 14:05:12 GMT -5
Not if they're age 23+
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 12, 2013 14:09:31 GMT -5
Dionisio Soldevila ?@dsoldevila Source: Cuban José Dariel Abreu is in Haiti right now after defecting from his national team.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2013 14:15:15 GMT -5
Puig came through Mexico. In the D.R they seem to be taking their time, see Cespedes, for some reason. Edit: though we don't know where he is. Maybe he's in Haiti and it will be quicker.[/b] Good call.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Aug 12, 2013 14:39:28 GMT -5
Bradley, CF (with Abreu aboard the Sox wouldn't be able to re-sign Ellsbury) Curious, why wouldn't we be able to re-sign Ellsbury if we signed Abreu? From the numbers I'm looking at, this couldn't be further from the truth. Wanting him back and being able to bring him back ($) are two different things.
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