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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 16, 2013 9:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 16, 2013 9:53:45 GMT -5
Disgusting story, he was released from jail on Wednesday for assaulting her, then stabs her to death on Thursday while her daughter was in the other room.
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Post by grmoore27 on Aug 16, 2013 10:19:49 GMT -5
some father you are jerry. you managed to raise a roid head and murder. your about as good a parent as you were a ball player
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 16, 2013 14:49:05 GMT -5
some father you are jerry. you managed to raise a roid head and murder. your about as good a parent as you were a ball player This is completely foolish. There is so much more that goes into a persons actions than the quality of a parent. You know absolutely nothing about Remy and the kind of father he was. You should be ashamed trying to swing this back to him. I'm sure he is saddened and grieving over the path his son has taken. There are many good parents whose children make bad decisions. Who are you to say this is any different? |
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Post by grmoore27 on Aug 16, 2013 15:04:09 GMT -5
some father you are jerry. you managed to raise a roid head and murder. your about as good a parent as you were a ball player This is completely foolish. There is so much more that goes into a persons actions than the quality of a parent. You know absolutely nothing about Remy and the kind of father he was. You should be ashamed trying to swing this back to him. I'm sure he is saddened and grieving over the path his son has taken. There are many good parents whose children make bad decisions. Who are you to say this is any different? But you do know what kind of farther he is? Who are you to say i'm wrong? All i know is this guy raised a kid who beats women and ultimately is being investigated for murdering his babies mama in front of the child. There is absolutely some responsibility (no matter how small) imputed to parents who have children that do this. You cant exactly say he is father of the year just by virtue of the allegations his son is facing. Stop being a homer and have some objectivity in your remarks. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 16, 2013 15:17:32 GMT -5
This is completely foolish. There is so much more that goes into a persons actions than the quality of a parent. You know absolutely nothing about Remy and the kind of father he was. You should be ashamed trying to swing this back to him. I'm sure he is saddened and grieving over the path his son has taken. There are many good parents whose children make bad decisions. Who are you to say this is any different? But you do know what kind of farther he is? Who are you to say i'm wrong? All i know is this guy raised a kid who beats women and ultimately is being investigated for murdering his babies mama in front of the child. There is absolutely some responsibility (no matter how small) imputed to parents who have children that do this. You cant exactly say he is father of the year just by virtue of the allegations his son is facing. Stop being a homer and have some objectivity in your remarks. You are hopeless and your logical ability is severely lacking. I never said Remy was a great father. I have no idea what kind of father he was and neither do you. He could have been a terrible father for all I know. He also could have been a tremendous father. We have no idea. That is the point. Jared Remy committed murder. Your response was "some father you are jerry". Your insinuation is that the actions of a person inherently reflect the quality of their parents. That is a terrible thing to say because you are making an accusation based on no information other than the actions of Jared. I've seen more than one family where siblings go in very different directions. Where one child becomes extraordinarily successful and the other becomes a criminal. What does this say about the parents? They did a great job with one child and a horrible job with the other? There are too many other factors - biological and sociological - to assume Jerry was a bad father and it is inappropriate for you to do so. |
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Post by grmoore27 on Aug 16, 2013 15:39:01 GMT -5
But you do know what kind of farther he is? Who are you to say i'm wrong? All i know is this guy raised a kid who beats women and ultimately is being investigated for murdering his babies mama in front of the child. There is absolutely some responsibility (no matter how small) imputed to parents who have children that do this. You cant exactly say he is father of the year just by virtue of the allegations his son is facing. Stop being a homer and have some objectivity in your remarks. You are hopeless and your logical ability is severely lacking. I never said Remy was a great father. I have no idea what kind of father he was and neither do you. He could have been a terrible father for all I know. He also could have been a tremendous father. We have no idea. That is the point. Jared Remy committed murder. Your response was "some father you are jerry". Your insinuation is that the actions of a person inherently reflect the quality of their parents. That is a terrible thing to say because you are making an accusation based on no information other than the actions of Jared. I've seen more than one family where siblings go in very different directions. Where one child becomes extraordinarily successful and the other becomes a criminal. What does this say about the parents? They did a great job with one child and a horrible job with the other? There are too many other factors - biological and sociological - to assume Jerry was a bad father and it is inappropriate for you to do so. LOL. perhaps you should take a logic class because i dont think you understand what logic is. my original premise is that a father who raises a son who ultimately beats women and is charged with murder cannot be a good father just by that fact. to which you said there are many reasons why people murder or what ever. that is a strawman argument because i never argued that jerry remy's parenting skills was the ONLY reason why this happend, but rather his parenting skills merely contributed in some way. IF you wish to make an argument that is on point in rufuting my argument it would have to be that one can raise a kid who is a murderer and abusive to women and still be considered a good parent. However, that argument lacks merit because it is repugnant to common sense. so tell me again who does not understand logic? |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 16, 2013 16:05:36 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going to leave it with one last comment - people can judge this on their own.
You concluded that Jerry is not a good parent because of the actions of his son. I don't believe you have enough information to draw that conclusion. There could be a mental illness or other factors in his life that caused him to become the horrible person he became. Since we only know one thing - that Jared committed murder - it is inappropriate to assume it is a result of poor parenting or could have been prevented with better parenting.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 16, 2013 17:34:10 GMT -5
As a guy with 3 adult sons, I would hope not to be judged by what they do. I did my best. Thankfully they have been good people, but I think it's wrong to assume Jerry was a bad dad because of what his son did. It's an awful thing for all involved.
NESN has reported that Eck will take over Jerry's role for tonight and the next road trip. National outlets have the games Saturday and Sunday.
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Post by jbberlo22 on Aug 16, 2013 18:04:49 GMT -5
Everything you have said is just not true. People can start hanging around with the wrong people, that has nothing to do with the parent especially if it happens during or after college. Same with drugs. He couldve tried a drug once in college gotten addicted and spiraled down. There are also many mental diseases that go undiagnosed until after something bad happens which have nothing to do with parents. Just cause you raise a kid doesnt mean you factor into every decision they ever make,
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Post by honkbal on Aug 16, 2013 20:06:37 GMT -5
so tell me again who does not understand logic? It's definitely you. Your premise assumes that something is true merely because it could be true. Or you are proposing, as a fact, that only people with bad parents can turn out bad. But of course, if you are proposing that, then the argument that was presented against it, that there are lots of reasons why someone might turn bad, is a completely valid argument against what you proposed. Again, yeah, it's you. You don't understand logic. |
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Post by onbase on Aug 17, 2013 9:50:06 GMT -5
some father you are jerry. you managed to raise a roid head and murder. your about as good a parent as you were a ball player This is (bad) talk radio level posting. I expect better here. Losing a child has to be the worst pain a parent can feel, but (thankfully) I can't imagine how awful it must feel having one's child be the cause of that pain. This is just so sad. |
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Post by pragmaticmage on Sept 1, 2013 11:24:01 GMT -5
You are hopeless and your logical ability is severely lacking. I never said Remy was a great father. I have no idea what kind of father he was and neither do you. He could have been a terrible father for all I know. He also could have been a tremendous father. We have no idea. That is the point. Jared Remy committed murder. Your response was "some father you are jerry". Your insinuation is that the actions of a person inherently reflect the quality of their parents. That is a terrible thing to say because you are making an accusation based on no information other than the actions of Jared. I've seen more than one family where siblings go in very different directions. Where one child becomes extraordinarily successful and the other becomes a criminal. What does this say about the parents? They did a great job with one child and a horrible job with the other? There are too many other factors - biological and sociological - to assume Jerry was a bad father and it is inappropriate for you to do so. |
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Post by pragmaticmage on Sept 1, 2013 11:58:03 GMT -5
Jerry and his wife sent Jared to a school for kids with behavior problems according to the Globe. It is widely reported that Jerry and Jared have been estranged since the alleged steroid incident. How do you "parent" a 30 year old? Any comments on Jerry's parenting are way off base. It seems that the Remy's did all they could to deal with a kid who was possibly beyond professional help, with which he likely would not have been complied. From here it looks like a major breakdown in the criminal justice system. The release by the Judge has been called into question. Where were the police? How did they attempt to protect the victim? There may be some "abused wife syndrome" here preventing her from getting out when she had the chance. This is tragic, but the blame in the end rests entirely on the person who committed the murder, not Mam and Dad. Sad to say, regardless of parenting, there are some evil people walking among us. Finding a "scapegoat" is way too easy without the facts. Unfortunately, those won't come out until the trial.
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