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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 7:34:34 GMT -5
Reports on his makeup are great, so I almost expect him to show up to spring training completely ripped one of these years.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2015 7:35:18 GMT -5
Yeah, judging by this video, there's still a good bit of physical maturation upside there (though it's hard to predict whether he ever chisels himself up).
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 7:41:42 GMT -5
Yeah, judging by this video, there's still a good bit of physical maturation upside there (though it's hard to predict whether he ever chisels himself up). Margot looks pretty muscular for a short skinny guy though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 18, 2015 7:53:14 GMT -5
Responding to a couple things above.
- Yeah, the BA tools list isn't anything to hang your hat on. However, based on what we saw, which included a plus arm and pretty good hands, my thought is that it might just be a very weak 3B crop in the SAL this year, and/or it was a "this guy is better than you think he is" sort of vote. It's not like he hasn't always possessed the tools to be good over there.
- As for his body, he has gotten himself into great shape relative to where he even was in the spring (makes sense given the injury he suffered in Instructs). However, his body will need to be something he continuously works on. No reason to think he won't, but assuming he's going to turn himself into a chiseled marvel is a bit like assuming on the top 5% outcome.
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Post by nomar on Aug 18, 2015 8:09:39 GMT -5
He isn't going to be a statue like Puig, but in terms of strength there's plenty of room for growth. Hes basically a high school senior, as many remind us. His frame suggests that 3B will be a hard long term stick for him, but guys like Aramis Ramirez have managed to be plus defenders at third, so it's plenty possible Devers can be average there.
And if he ends up at 1B, so be it. I'm most worried about the bat. Wouldn't mind another Rizzo type bat that we can actually hold onto.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 19, 2015 15:01:36 GMT -5
His numbers have taken a downturn, but it seems to me like Devers has hit a bit of a wall. How many 18 year olds in the world play a 100 game baseball season? Don't forget, Xander didn't go to Greenville until June (?) and only ended up playing 72 games that season. That's almost thirty fewer than Devers has and the season's not over yet. I fully expect him to come early next year and rake in Salem.
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Post by nomar on Aug 19, 2015 17:16:38 GMT -5
His numbers have taken a downturn, but it seems to me like Devers has hit a bit of a wall. How many 18 year olds in the world play a 100 game baseball season? Don't forget, Xander didn't go to Greenville until June (?) and only ended up playing 72 games that season. That's almost thirty fewer than Devers has and the season's not over yet. I fully expect him to come early next year and rake in Salem. 2 2B and a SB. Had some in the tank today.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2015 10:45:56 GMT -5
His numbers have taken a downturn, but it seems to me like Devers has hit a bit of a wall. How many 18 year olds in the world play a 100 game baseball season? Don't forget, Xander didn't go to Greenville until June (?) and only ended up playing 72 games that season. That's almost thirty fewer than Devers has and the season's not over yet. I fully expect him to come early next year and rake in Salem. 14 for 86 from July 20 to August 17, but look closer: Slash line is .163/.258/.314. So ISOD is .095 and ISOP is .151. Both good. Meanwhile, BABIP over that period is .185. According to our numbers here, his LD% in August is 26.8% with a .250 BABIP. Even accounting for the standard "MiLB PBP numbers <shrug>" caveat, it looks like this is just awful, awful luck. His going 3 for 5 with 2 2B last night screams of the start of a correction in the other direction. Not worried about him. Could be hitting a little bit of a wall too, but it looks more to me like SSS noise.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 20, 2015 11:20:12 GMT -5
His numbers have taken a downturn, but it seems to me like Devers has hit a bit of a wall. How many 18 year olds in the world play a 100 game baseball season? Don't forget, Xander didn't go to Greenville until June (?) and only ended up playing 72 games that season. That's almost thirty fewer than Devers has and the season's not over yet. I fully expect him to come early next year and rake in Salem. 14 for 86 from July 20 to August 17, but look closer: Slash line is .163/.258/.314. So ISOD is .095 and ISOP is .151. Both good. Meanwhile, BABIP over that period is .185. According to our numbers here, his LD% in August is 26.8% with a .250 BABIP. Even accounting for the standard "MiLB PBP numbers <shrug>" caveat, it looks like this is just awful, awful luck. His going 3 for 5 with 2 2B last night screams of the start of a correction in the other direction. Not worried about him. Could be hitting a little bit of a wall too, but it looks more to me like SSS noise. Am I the only one who never heard of isoD? (IsoP either, but it's pretty clearly just plain old ISO). So it's OBP - BA, but I've never seen it this way before, only seen it in some form of walk rates.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 20, 2015 11:44:33 GMT -5
14 for 86 from July 20 to August 17, but look closer: Slash line is .163/.258/.314. So ISOD is .095 and ISOP is .151. Both good. Meanwhile, BABIP over that period is .185. According to our numbers here, his LD% in August is 26.8% with a .250 BABIP. Even accounting for the standard "MiLB PBP numbers <shrug>" caveat, it looks like this is just awful, awful luck. His going 3 for 5 with 2 2B last night screams of the start of a correction in the other direction. Not worried about him. Could be hitting a little bit of a wall too, but it looks more to me like SSS noise. Am I the only one who never heard of isoD? (IsoP either, but it's pretty clearly just plain old ISO). So it's OBP - BA, but I've never seen it this way before, only seen it in some form of walk rates. That is correct. Isod and isop have been around for a while.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 20, 2015 12:49:20 GMT -5
Isolated discipline (ISOD) is a quick and dirty way to assess a hitter's patience/knowledge of the strike zone. As Chris points out, if he has had bad luck then the fact that he's been able to maintain that discipline by extracting a few walks is a good sign. That's also what's kept Bradley from falling completely off the screen, even during his struggles. He's always had the ability to eyeball walks. That's a valuable secondary skill that good hitters have in their toolbox.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 22, 2016 14:15:13 GMT -5
Rafa Devers BABIP so far: .146 so you think it's ALL bad luck but when you look at his batted balls profile, the percentage of Pop ups is ballooning at 19.5%! There's more than bad luck into his cold begining. Doesn't mean that I'm alarmed, I know he can hit, but that number explains a lot.
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Post by azblue on Apr 22, 2016 16:24:00 GMT -5
A recent article on Chavis discussed his improvement with a more controlled swing being a major factor. Perhaps Devers should talk to his old teammate.
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Post by jmei on May 5, 2016 13:03:22 GMT -5
Ben Badler on Devers' struggles so far this year ( link):
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 18:11:36 GMT -5
Ben Badler on Devers' struggles so far this year ( link): The K/BB rate is encouraging. From everything I've read, he doesn't appear to be "lost" at the plate. He's not flailing his bat at pitches two feet out of the zone. I think he's going to get red hot at some point this summer and this slow start will be forgotten.
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2016 0:32:09 GMT -5
Devers seems to be heating up a bit. Hard not to with some pretty tough luck to start the year. Not a guy who's going to carry around a BABIP under .200 for long. Of course, by the time he really gets rolling, Beni and Moncada may be catching their flights north. The more I see of Devers, though, the more I like him. He definitely strikes me as a *baseball* guy. He's putting in the work, chugging along. It's easy to forget that he's only 19.
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Post by soxfan06 on May 8, 2016 11:54:24 GMT -5
Devers definitely had a better week this week, results wise.
6 for 19, .316, 1 2B, 1 3B, 3 R, 3 BB, 3 K, 7 RBIs
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Post by soxfan06 on May 8, 2016 16:14:29 GMT -5
Make that 8 for 23, .347, 1 2b, 1 3B, 1 HR, 4 R, 4 BB, 3 K, 8 RBIs for the week (7 games) for Devers.
Obviously small sample size, but just pointing out it's nice to see things go well for him after some bad luck to start the year.
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Post by soxjim on Jul 31, 2016 20:20:42 GMT -5
Do you think he'll get called up to Portland before season ends and not just the last few weeks?
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Post by telson13 on Jul 31, 2016 21:08:13 GMT -5
Do you think he'll get called up to Portland before season ends and not just the last few weeks? I don't think so, except for maybe the quick taste you're describing. I actually would like to see it, though, because Salem and the Carolina league are tough on offense. Both Moncada and Benintendi have shown more XB power in Portland. I think Devers will hit well there.
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Post by bnich on Jul 31, 2016 23:11:13 GMT -5
Do you think he'll get called up to Portland before season ends and not just the last few weeks? I don't think so, except for maybe the quick taste you're describing. I actually would like to see it, though, because Salem and the Carolina league are tough on offense. Both Moncada and Benintendi have shown more XB power in Portland. I think Devers will hit well there. And the hit tool right along with his power has seemed to be emphasized. Why not get him a taste. He's been a tear.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 31, 2016 23:17:21 GMT -5
I don't think so, except for maybe the quick taste you're describing. I actually would like to see it, though, because Salem and the Carolina league are tough on offense. Both Moncada and Benintendi have shown more XB power in Portland. I think Devers will hit well there. And the hit tool right along with his power has seemed to be emphasized. Why not get him a taste. He's been a tear. If he stays hot, he may force the issue. He had some popup (approach) and non-pop BABIP (luck) issues earlier in the year, but his IsoD is good, and he hasn't had a K problem. So I still think his results seem artificially suppressed. I'm pretty sure he's capable of holding his own right now in AA, if not having some moderate success. Then again, he's only 19.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 31, 2016 23:22:28 GMT -5
Devers and Longhi both deserve a promotion.
Why Not yet? It must be the .600 ops at the moment playing 3b in Portland and the two 30 plus year old really good prospects playing 1B.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 31, 2016 23:43:07 GMT -5
I think Devers and longhi should spend the rest of the year at Salem,
I do not think either is ready for Portland yet.
They both have so much to work on, it just makes sense to give them this time to keep improving. There are enough talented pitchers to keep the challenged for the rest of he year,
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jul 31, 2016 23:49:58 GMT -5
Devers and Longhi both deserve a promotion. Why Not yet? It must be the .600 ops at the moment playing 3b in Portland and the two 30 plus year old really good prospects playing 1B. I would guess they want to get both Moncada and Devers reps in at 3B pretty soon. That would be reason enough to keep them split. Devers is only 19, no need to rush it.
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