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Post by zil on Jul 9, 2014 7:53:57 GMT -5
Is power in the GCL as rare as in the DSL or do GCL players hit homers with more regularity?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 9, 2014 8:42:39 GMT -5
Is power in the GCL as rare as in the DSL or do GCL players hit homers with more regularity? There were 292 home runs in the GCL last year in 478 games. (.611 HR/G) Through yesterday, there are 64 home runs in the GCL in 124 games. (.516 HR/G) There were 578 home runs in the DSL last year in 1230 games. (.470 HR/G) Through yesterday, there are 295 home runs in the DSL in 594 games. (.497 HR/G) SSS
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 13, 2014 16:18:26 GMT -5
I say we promote Raffy from the GCL, his number are starting to look freakish. I know it might be a bit premature, but if he keeps this up another week or two then its off to single A.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 13, 2014 20:23:32 GMT -5
Is there any reason right now he shouldn't be promoted to Lowel at this point? If he flourishes there he sets himself up for Low A next year. If not, he's gotten an taste and can start at Lowell next year with the confidence that he knows what to expect at that level.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 13, 2014 20:29:03 GMT -5
Is there any reason right now he shouldn't be promoted to Lowel at this point? If he flourishes there he sets himself up for Low A next year. If not, he's gotten an taste and can start at Lowell next year with the confidence that he knows what to expect at that level. He's set up for Low A next year whether or not he goes to Lowell this year.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 13, 2014 20:31:06 GMT -5
He'll start in Greenville either way. I like the idea of letting him dominate the GCL for a few months while learning what its like to be a 17 year old living away from his family.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 13, 2014 20:59:50 GMT -5
I do like the idea of getting him a cup of coffee in Lowell or Greenville this year. He should get a little taste of what he'll be looking at next year - assuming he continues doing what he's doing (more or less).
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Post by radiohix on Jul 13, 2014 21:04:37 GMT -5
He could get the Wendal Rijo treatment who put up great numbers in the GCL for 40 something games before getting a taste of the higher levels in Lowell. He was also 17 years old at the time. Something to keep an eye on for sure.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2014 6:18:11 GMT -5
How is Devers English?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 14, 2014 7:57:47 GMT -5
Good. He gets a lot of back spin on the ball. ... ...
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 14, 2014 8:09:31 GMT -5
(Try the veal)
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 14, 2014 10:10:28 GMT -5
I think it would be unnecessarily rushing him to promote him this early- it probably won't make a whole lot of difference to his timeline for reaching the minors (there's no way he ends the season higher than Greenville, and I'd think that even that's a stretch beyond a cup of coffee), he's 17 and adjusting to a new country, and doing this professionally. I don't know, but I think it would be shortsighted to rush him from Florida to Lowell 2 weeks after getting him to the states- I have no idea if it would mess with his development, and seeing how he's hitting it really might not matter at all, but why risk it? Let him adjust for a little while, and if he's still putting up crazy numbers in a month or so from now, then I think it becomes a serious conversation
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Post by alnipper on Jul 14, 2014 10:42:22 GMT -5
The Sox will consider all the factors before promoting him. I say keep challenging him as long as he can handle adjusting to American life and whatever level he's playing at. I have a feeling he'll move up the system very quickly the next two years.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 14, 2014 11:53:15 GMT -5
He'll start in Greenville either way. I like the idea of letting him dominate the GCL for a few months while learning what its like to be a 17 year old living away from his family. Agreed. Keep him in Florida with other like-minded teens. Let him go to instrux, ST and then send him to Greenville. I doubt he ever sees Lowell.
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Post by oilcansman on Jul 14, 2014 12:06:58 GMT -5
Are there any reports about his defense and base running? The GCL is a nice, quit, low pressure environment for a kid to learn fundamentals. BTW, what is the rush in promoting him?
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 14, 2014 13:46:43 GMT -5
Are there any reports about his defense and base running? The GCL is a nice, quit, low pressure environment for a kid to learn fundamentals. BTW, what is the rush in promoting him? I haven't been able to find any useful reports about his defense or baserunning in 2014. A full year ago, Jason Parks noted: Seems like he could be one of those guys who's reliable on balls he can get to, but has less-than-impressive range. His bat will carry him just fine as a first baseman, but I'd love to see him stick as an average-ish third baseman. According to this site, Devers was hitting 88 MPH on the radar gun in January 2013, and his 60-yard dash time was only "slightly below average." I'll keep a lookout for new reports on his defense. Obviously scouts are consumed by his bat, but it'd be nice to hear if he's on the right track to being a tolerable third baseman, or if he's moving in the opposite directing by exhibiting poor lateral range, etc.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 14, 2014 16:56:22 GMT -5
Has he wandered off of any bases yet?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 14, 2014 21:50:36 GMT -5
Are there any reports about his defense and base running? The GCL is a nice, quit, low pressure environment for a kid to learn fundamentals. BTW, what is the rush in promoting him? I haven't been able to find any useful reports about his defense or baserunning in 2014. A full year ago, Jason Parks noted: Seems like he could be one of those guys who's reliable on balls he can get to, but has less-than-impressive range. His bat will carry him just fine as a first baseman, but I'd love to see him stick as an average-ish third baseman. According to this site, Devers was hitting 88 MPH on the radar gun in January 2013, and his 60-yard dash time was only "slightly below average." I'll keep a lookout for new reports on his defense. Obviously scouts are consumed by his bat, but it'd be nice to hear if he's on the right track to being a tolerable third baseman, or if he's moving in the opposite directing by exhibiting poor lateral range, etc. Sox should be pro-active in the off season toward establishing better nutritional knowledge and habits. May be advisable to send Devers to API in AZ or FL and pair him with Xander, who can teach him some maturity (not that Devers is immature, but Xander has a certain poise and this can rub off on an impressionable kid). He can learn about good nutrition, how you can control (i.e. avoid) becoming "round" and still develop thicker stronger fast-twitch muscle. He'll see pretty quickly that with hard work and discipline he can mold that form those mesomorphic genes gave him into becoming a very dangerous and effective baseball driving weapon. Quite frankly, I'd do the same thing with Margot as well, at the very least to get the nutrition down, and perhaps to see if 5-7 lbs could be added to his legs that won't diminish his plus-plus speed but increase his power. There's a reason most world class sprinters look like running backs no matter what country they come from - that ultra fast twitch muscle is predisposed to adding density and power without diminishing speed (up to a point). Margot seems to be a rail thin version of this type. 10-15 lbs of pure muscle between then knees and ribs will give him more power that he can connect to that superior bat speed.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2014 22:01:43 GMT -5
I haven't been able to find any useful reports about his defense or baserunning in 2014. A full year ago, Jason Parks noted: Seems like he could be one of those guys who's reliable on balls he can get to, but has less-than-impressive range. His bat will carry him just fine as a first baseman, but I'd love to see him stick as an average-ish third baseman. According to this site, Devers was hitting 88 MPH on the radar gun in January 2013, and his 60-yard dash time was only "slightly below average." I'll keep a lookout for new reports on his defense. Obviously scouts are consumed by his bat, but it'd be nice to hear if he's on the right track to being a tolerable third baseman, or if he's moving in the opposite directing by exhibiting poor lateral range, etc. Sox should be pro-active in the off season toward establishing better nutritional knowledge and habits. May be advisable to send Devers to API in AZ or FL and pair him with Xander, who can teach him some maturity (not that Devers is immature, but Xander has a certain poise and this can rub off on an impressionable kid). He can learn about good nutrition, how you can control (i.e. avoid) becoming "round" and still develop thicker stronger fast-twitch muscle. He'll see pretty quickly that with hard work and discipline he can mold that form those mesomorphic genes gave him into becoming a very dangerous and effective baseball driving weapon. Quite frankly, I'd do the same thing with Margot as well, at the very least to get the nutrition down, and perhaps to see if 5-7 lbs could be added to his legs that won't diminish his plus-plus speed but increase his power. There's a reason most world class sprinters look like running backs no matter what country they come from - that ultra fast twitch muscle is predisposed to adding density and power without diminishing speed (up to a point). Margot seems to be a rail thin version of this type. 10-15 lbs of pure muscle between then knees and ribs will give him more power that he can connect to that superior bat speed. I've been saying this awhile re: nutrition,but I just see no advancement whatsoever when they're getting $10 a day for meals. They're basically forced to eat McDonalds if they haven't gotten big bonuses and/or have planned for eating well for the 3-4 years they're in the minors without making a salary that affords them to eat. IMO, there's a huge advancement that could be made in nutrition, especially regarding prospects.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 15, 2014 4:25:10 GMT -5
Is there any reason right now he shouldn't be promoted to Lowel at this point? If he flourishes there he sets himself up for Low A next year. If not, he's gotten an taste and can start at Lowell next year with the confidence that he knows what to expect at that level. He's set up for Low A next year whether or not he goes to Lowell this year. Yet this site projects him to be in Lowell next year
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 15, 2014 5:01:56 GMT -5
He's set up for Low A next year whether or not he goes to Lowell this year. Yet this site projects him to be in Lowell next year That projection is a conservative projection and likely could be changed with more info down the road.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 15, 2014 12:31:49 GMT -5
Sox should be pro-active in the off season toward establishing better nutritional knowledge and habits. I've been saying this awhile re: nutrition,but I just see no advancement whatsoever when they're getting $10 a day for meals. They're basically forced to eat McDonalds if they haven't gotten big bonuses and/or have planned for eating well for the 3-4 years they're in the minors without making a salary that affords them to eat. IMO, there's a huge advancement that could be made in nutrition, especially regarding prospects. Agreed. There ought to be a mix of provided healthy meals, provided healthy meal ingredients for cooking at home, restaurant outings for the team, and classes on supplements, cooking, etc. that the players can attend between morning workouts and games or whatever. The team could join a farm share or something. I'm sure the Sox are already doing something along these lines, and I know the players don't want baby-sitters, but it wouldn't hurt to do more.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 15, 2014 12:52:40 GMT -5
I've been saying this awhile re: nutrition,but I just see no advancement whatsoever when they're getting $10 a day for meals. They're basically forced to eat McDonalds if they haven't gotten big bonuses and/or have planned for eating well for the 3-4 years they're in the minors without making a salary that affords them to eat. IMO, there's a huge advancement that could be made in nutrition, especially regarding prospects. Agreed. There ought to be a mix of provided healthy meals, provided healthy meal ingredients for cooking at home, restaurant outings for the team, and classes on supplements, cooking, etc. that the players can attend between morning workouts and games or whatever. The team could join a farm share or something. I'm sure the Sox are already doing something along these lines, and I know the players don't want baby-sitters, but it wouldn't hurt to do more. The fact that this *isn't* being done now is sort of astonishing when you think about it. I hadn't really thought of it before as the backwards system that it is. There's A LOT more to being a successful major league player now than just refining your swing, improving your defense, etc. Healthy lifestyle choices are key to sustaining performance and avoiding injury. This seems like an easy way for teams to gain a systemic advantage; fewer guys will "get round" and grow their way off premium positions, there would be greater strength gains among players, and there would just be a healthier set of habits ingrained into the players that get to the major league level. Baseball's such a backward sport sometimes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2014 12:56:26 GMT -5
He's set up for Low A next year whether or not he goes to Lowell this year. Yet this site projects him to be in Lowell next year Touche, good sir. FWIW, I disagree with the site's projection in that case. Only situation in which Devers isn't in Greenville, imo, is if they move Chavis to third and don't want them timesharing.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 15, 2014 15:45:58 GMT -5
Very often, the pitching in the Sally isn't far behind the pitching in the NYPL, just because a lot of college guys go right to SSA ball coming out of college. Doesn't mean it's the same kind of environment, plus the much later opening day, but in terms of the competition he'd be facing once games begun, it wouldn't be totally beneath him. On the other hand, it might keep him from potentially getting a mid-season bump to Salem or something, due to the late start date. I agree that Devers ought to be in Greenville in 2015, baring some kind of off-field/maturity issue that would suggest he needs to be in the Lowell dormitory environment (or a drop in play this summer/XST/ST.)
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