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2014 MLB Draft discussion
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Post by greatscottcooper on Apr 2, 2014 17:52:34 GMT -5
Assuming the sox would be willing to spend 1.05% of their draft pool, if Drew does sign before the draft the Sox would have around 8.3 million to spend.
The rules for going over that 5% seem to steep to consider going over, has anyone done it yet? I wonder if their was ever a team to do it if this is the year we see it due to the depth and talent this year. From what I've heard though it seems that that scenario is much more plausible on the international market; which I hope the Sox do this year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 2, 2014 22:54:27 GMT -5
Nobody has gone over for the Draft. Teams have already done it internationally: Rays two years ago, Rangers last year. Might be one more. With the international market, one way of thinking would be to just go every other year until there's a draft: just sign 8 crazy good guys rather than 3 one year and 3 the next. Of course, that assumes the 8 guys are worth the money you're giving them too.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Apr 3, 2014 7:02:33 GMT -5
Nobody has gone over for the Draft. Teams have already done it internationally: Rays two years ago, Rangers last year. Might be one more. With the international market, one way of thinking would be to just go every other year until there's a draft: just sign 8 crazy good guys rather than 3 one year and 3 the next. Of course, that assumes the 8 guys are worth the money you're giving them too. With some extra picks, a strong draft class, but a small international bonus pool I think it would be nice if the Sox augmented the draft with throwing some money around in the international market. Look at some of the guys the Cubs signed last year, they went pretty crazy in the international market too.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 3, 2014 8:24:06 GMT -5
Teams have already done it internationally: Rays two years ago, Rangers last year. Might be one more. With the international market, one way of thinking would be to just go every other year until there's a draft: just sign 8 crazy good guys rather than 3 one year and 3 the next. Of course, that assumes the 8 guys are worth the money you're giving them too. Cubbies were the other team. But if you go far enough over, you can't sign anyone expensive for TWO years. But you CAN trade your bonus money, so it still has quite a bit of worth. Certainly the Cubs and Rangers will be in line to trade some of that allowance this year and next, and I would hope the Sox get in on that.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 5, 2014 13:43:07 GMT -5
With two months to go for the big night I've decided to make my first projection as how the draft is NOT going to unfold. I warn you if you wish that a player go at your slot this is a good thing because it can still happen.
Without further ado here it is:
1) Astros - Carlos Rodon, LHP, NC St - I know chatter is that he is backing up here but it's way too early for me, unless there is an injury ala Ranaudo, Manea etc. I still think he goes top 2.
2) Marlins - Tyler Kolek, RHP, Texas HS - Completely dominating bad competition this spring, as he should, hitting triple digits.
3) White Sox - Nick Gordon, SS, Florida HS - It's the White Sox so who the heck knows. They probably draft a HS kid and push him to AA by the end of the year for no reason. Gordon has the bloodlines and has improved physically over the fall.
4) Cubs - Brady Aiken, LHP, California HS - He has been getting 1-1 buzz but I will wait a little bit before I buy into that, though a HS lefty hitting 97 with above avg. off speed stuff definitely sounds like 1-1 material.
5) Twins - Jeff Hoffman, RHP, ECU - He had a strong start yesterday and may be the college pitcher with the most upside.
6) Seattle - Grant Holmes, RHP, South Carolina HS - Physically mature kid, not much projection left, up to 98 MHP with the fastball.
7) Phillies - Tyler Beede, RHP, Vandy - Showing improved command, though last couple starts haven't been clean. I feel the same as I do about Rodon, unless there is an injury he is a top half of the 1st round unless bonus demands become an issue.
8) Rockies - Alex Jackson, OF, California HS - this draft is about pitching but Jackson deserves top 10 consideration. He is the most advance hitter in the HS class.
9) Blue Jays - Toukie Tousaint, RHP, Florida HS - Has showed improved command, up to avg or slightly below avg, which with his stuff it's very encouraging. 10) Mets - Bradley Zimmer, OF, San Francisco - Cementing his status as the best college position player is the draft. Probably the player with the most playable tools in the class. I wouldn't be surprise if he keeps rising as more decision makers go in to see him, he has been dynamite lately.
11) Blue Jays - Trea Turner, SS, NC ST - I could see him dropping to the back end of the first and the Red Sox taking him. With so much pitching in this draft if he doesn't start performing better he'll slide like Deven Marrero.
12) Brewers - Aaron Nola, RHP, LSU - He has been unhittable this spring. He has unconventional mechanics which some say could lead to problems down the road.
From here on out I'll only highlight a few.
13) Padres - Sean-Reid Foley, RHP, Florida HS 14) Giants - Luke Weaver, RHP, FSU 15) Angels - Sean Newcomb, LHP, Hartford 16) DBacks - Brandon Finnegan, LHP, TCU
17) Royals - Michael Gettys, CF, Georgia HS - For me the hit tool is the most important thing for a prospect so I would have a hard time taking a player who lacks that tool this high but "5-tool" players tend to get pushed up the board and Gettys has every tool except the hit tool.
18) Nationals - Jacob Gatewood, SS, California HS - Another player who has questions about his hit tool. If "5-tool" players get pushed up boards so do players that hit for power and Gatewood has as much power as anyone. The Nats tend to draft "famous" players and Gatewood would qualify as such.
19) Reds - Luis Ortiz, RHP, California HS 20) Rays - Michael Conforto, OF/1B, Oregon ST 21) Cleveland - Michael Chavis, 3B, Georgia HS 22) Dodgers - Cameron Varga, RHP, Ohio HS 23) Tigers - Braxton Davidson, 1B, North Carolina HS 24) Pirates - Kyle Schawber, 1B, Indiana 25) A's - Max Pentecost, C, College
26) Red Sox - Foster Griffin, LHP, Florida HS - Athletic lefty with low-90s FB up to 94 with an above avg CH and workable curveball. Team USA experience. Stop me if you have heard this before. Sexy pick.
27) Cardinals - Erick Fedde, RHP, UNLV - I know he has been ranked higher but there always seems to be a college guy that drops, why not to the Cardinals?
Sources used for this research: They've mostly been linked here before. BA, Kiley McDaniel, Keith Law etc.
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Post by CMF on Apr 6, 2014 16:10:15 GMT -5
26) Red Sox - Forrest Griffin, LHP, Florida HS - Athletic lefty with low-90s FB up to 94 with an above avg CH and workable curveball. Team USA experience. Stop me if you have heard this before. Sexy pick. It's Foster Griffin, Forrest Griffin is a former MMA fighter.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 6, 2014 16:19:51 GMT -5
Fixed. Thanks must have been thinking of Forrest Wall there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 6, 2014 16:22:09 GMT -5
You guys are just making up fake names at this point.
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 8, 2014 16:21:52 GMT -5
My first mock draft:
1st Round & Comp. Round 1. HOU - Carlos Rodon LHP, North Carolina State 2. MIA - Tyler Kolek RHP (Texas Christian) 3. CWS - Jeff Hoffman RHP, East Carolina 4. CHC - Tyler Beede RHP, Vanderbilt 5. MIN - Brady Aiken LHP (UCLA) 6. SEA – Alex Jackson C/OF (Oregon) 7. PHI - Grant Holmes RHP (Florida) 8. COL - Bradley Zimmer OF, San Francisco 9. TOR - Aaron Nola RHP, Louisiana State 10. NYM - Nick Gordon SS/RHP (Florida State) 11. TOR (Bickford comp.) - Max Pentecost C, Kennesaw State (note: assumes pre-draft deal) 12. MIL - Luke Weaver RHP, Florida State 13. SD - Michael Gettys OF/RHP (Georgia) 14. SF - Sean Newcomb LHP, Hartford 15. LAA - Luis Ortiz RHP (Fresno State) 16. ARI - Trea Turner SS, North Carolina State 17. KC - Touki Toussaint RHP (Vanderbilt) 18. WAS - Jacob Gatewood SS/3B (Southern California) 19. CIN - Justus Sheffield LHP (Vanderbilt) 20. TB - Derek Fisher OF, Virginia 21. CLE - Michael Conforto OF, Oregon State 22. LAD - Erick Fedde RHP, UNLV 23. DET - Kyle Schwarber C/1B, Indiana 24. PIT - Brandon Finnegan LHP, Texas Christian 25. OAK - Matt Chapman 3B/RHP, Cal State Fullerton 26. BOS - Kyle Freeland LHP, Evansville 27. STL - Michael Cederoth RHP, San Diego State 28. KC (Santana comp.) - Nick Burdi RHP, Louisville 29. CIN (Choo comp.) - Michael Chavis 2B/3B (Clemson) 30. TEX (Cruz comp.) - Marcus Wilson OF (Arizona State) 31. CLE (Jimenez comp.) - Sean Reid-Foley RHP (Florida State) 32. ATL (McCann comp.) – Mac Marshall LHP (Louisiana State) 33. BOS (Ellsbury comp.) - Braxton Davidson 1B/OF (North Carolina) 34. STL (Beltran comp.) - Kodi Medeiros LHP (Pepperdine)
Note: I am assuming Dylan Cease, RHP is injured.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 8, 2014 17:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Apr 8, 2014 19:34:15 GMT -5
Sounds like a heck of a prospect.
Still waiting on Drew to get that comp pick.
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Post by bentossaurus on Apr 8, 2014 21:31:18 GMT -5
I found this amusing.
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Post by azblue on Apr 9, 2014 22:31:23 GMT -5
The Red Sox drafted a Tennessee All-State bowler who seems to be turning out okay.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 10, 2014 11:09:43 GMT -5
BA has updated their top 50, Brady Aiken at the top. ow.ly/vEi1J
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 10, 2014 16:47:37 GMT -5
They also did a chat today here is a few that intrigued me: Homeswithhart (New York): Who do you see right now as increasing the most in draft position and who do you see as the biggest drop in position so far this season? Clint Longenecker: OF Monte Harrison of Missouri has had a strong start to the season. One of the top athletes in the class, Harrison is a three-sport star committed to play WR for Nebraska. Despite his limited time on the baseball field he has shown baseball instincts in addition to his raw physical attributes, plus speed, power and one of the top outfield arms in the class. As far as players who have dropped, there is still plenty of time left for players to improve their status before the draft, but Cobi Johnson’s velocity has not increased as expected. The same can be said about RHP Alex Faedo. But both are athletic pitchers with strike-throwing ability and feel for offspeed stuff. jeff (daytona, FL): Who are the biggest risers on the draft board right now, and are there any prospects from the Northeast that are generating draft buzz? Clint Longenecker: The Northeast has some interesting high school players. Dobzanski and Blewett were already mentioned. RHP Joey Gatto has been up to 95 this spring with a great pitching body and easy delivery. His rotationmate, LHP Zach Warren, is an athletic strike-thrower wtih a projectable build, fastball movement and command. LHP Devin Smeltzer has a deceptive delivery and feel for a slider. OF Zach Sullivan has a loud set of tools and looks the part in a uniform. RHP Austin DeCarr has been up to 96 with a good breaking ball. MIF Isan Diaz is a smooth defender with hitting ability. There a lot of talent up there. Warren (Texas): Which prospects have the most helium? Who are your favorite sleepers? Who, in your eyes, is the most likely to not live up to their expected draft slot? Thanks for the chat! John Manuel: Kyle Freeland has helium; the West Coast scouts I have talked to this week had heard the buzz of his outing Friday that Clint and I attended and that Clint chronicled earlier this week. Bukauskas and Spencer Adams were the high school pitchers with the most helium in our calls and contacts this week, with Monte Harrison the other guy moving up. He got some Bubba Starling comparisons, and that was meant as a compliment. It was free here is the link: www.baseballamerica.com/college/2014-draft-update-chat-with-john-manuel-and-clint-longenecker/
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Post by jdb on Apr 11, 2014 10:16:49 GMT -5
Monte Harison is a guy whos intrigued me since the draft bios started coming out. Seems he is a great athlete and if he has to move off CF his arm and speed could make him a great RF. I'd love it if he were on the board when we pick.
Pedro where was he ranked on that last BA list?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 11, 2014 12:15:13 GMT -5
He is at 20 and say that he has moved past Gettys as the best toolsy HS OF. Apparently he has come out hitting well which not a lot of hitters in this class have done.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 11, 2014 13:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Apr 12, 2014 20:50:55 GMT -5
Kyle Freeland Last night 8.0 4 1 0 0 15
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 13, 2014 2:14:49 GMT -5
I think McDaniel mentioned that some teams may have him off their board do to injury risk while others are looking at him in the 1st round. BA seems to think he is pitching his way to the middle of the 1st round.
I'm liking the development of this draft, lots of guys worthy of going in the middle of the 1st round which should make the teams in the back end happy.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 14, 2014 14:32:23 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 18, 2014 11:04:13 GMT -5
It's been a few but here are some thoughts I have
- We don't pick high but the top the draft is influx right now. Hoffman had the best start of his career probably striking out 16. There was heat on the stand as Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein were in the house along with other officials picking high in the draft.
- Jacob Bakauskas a RHP from Virginia HS is ermerging. He is 17 as he reclassified for this class and throwing triple digits apparently. Another one creating some buzz is Cameron Varga RHP from Ohio. He was very good at the start of the summer then was out do to injury, I don't know exactly what it was but it wasn't the elbow or shoulder. He has come back and is looking very good. He is old for the class, already 19, but he is a very intriguing arm.
- My "dream" scenario right now is that these HS arms get pushed up and guys like Kyle Schawber, the Indiana 1B/C, or Michael Conforto, LF/1B, Oregon ST, drop to us with the 1st pick and then the balance that with a guy like Luis Ortiz who is out injured but as long as is not the shoulder I'd like, or a HS athlete to give more life to the lower levels.
- Anyways this draft is looking deep in bottom half of the 1st round prospects so it should fun to follow who the Red Sox pick.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 18, 2014 12:06:57 GMT -5
It's been a few but here are some thoughts I have - We don't pick high but the top the draft is influx right now. Hoffman had the best start of his career probably striking out 16. There was heat on the stand as Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein were in the house along with other officials picking high in the draft. - Jacob Bakauskas a RHP from Virginia HS is ermerging. He is 17 as he reclassified for this class and throwing triple digits apparently. Another one creating some buzz is Cameron Varga RHP from Ohio. He was very good at the start of the summer then was out do to injury, I don't know exactly what it was but it wasn't the elbow or shoulder. He has come back and is looking very good. He is old for the class, already 19, but he is a very intriguing arm. - My "dream" scenario right now is that these HS arms get pushed up and guys like Kyle Schawber, the Indiana 1B/C, or Michael Conforto, LF/1B, Oregon ST, drop to us with the 1st pick and then the balance that with a guy like Luis Ortiz who is out injured but as long as is not the shoulder I'd like, or a HS athlete to give more life to the lower levels. - Anyways this draft is looking deep in bottom half of the 1st round prospects so it should fun to follow who the Red Sox pick. Yeah, I agree that HS arms are the deepest category this year. I'd also probably agree with you that I'd like for that to result in a college bat falling, and then taking our chances on a HS arm of our own. I'd love to find this years Hunter Harvey.
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Post by badfishnbc on Apr 18, 2014 12:11:02 GMT -5
I'd keep an eye on Jacob “JB” Bukauskas - UNC commit, dials it up to the high 90's. Especially interesting because he's a junior who will graduate early, and is thus draft eligible under the new rules, in which he reclassified himself as Class of '14. He was ranked 88th overall by Perfect Game over the winter, but his stock is soaring right now, and if he wasn't considered a tough sign, might wind up in the first round.
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Post by larrycook on Apr 18, 2014 12:38:21 GMT -5
I know we have absolutely no chance of drafting him, but Tyler Kolek can really bring it. Wow!
I know the Astros need a ton of help sooner rather than later, but how could they pass on Kolek at #1?
As for slightly better chances the Sox have in this draft. I am hoping OF Fisher or OF Conforto falls to them.
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