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Post by amfox1 on Nov 2, 2013 21:08:05 GMT -5
Breaking out into a separate post:
Qualifying offers (if the QO is rejected and the player is signed to a major league contract by another team, the signing team will lose their first unprotected pick (picks #1-11 are protected), the teams who lost the player will get a sandwich pick)
Announced, or otherwise likely: Ellsbury (BOS) Napoli (BOS) Drew (BOS) Cano (MFY) Granderson (MFY) Kuroda (MFY) McCann (ATL) Santana (KC) Beltran (STL) Cruz (TEX) Jimenez (CLE) Choo (CIN) Burnett (PIT) Morales (SEA)
Unlikely: Saltalamacchia (BOS) Hughes (MFY) Peralta (DET) Everyone else
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Post by jimoh on Nov 3, 2013 20:47:10 GMT -5
One little clarification: the picks awarded to the team losing the FA are not really "sandwich" picks anymore. Since the signing team's pick disappears, the first round stays the same length, and if there are X number of FAs with QOs signed, the team losing the FA gets one of the last X picks of the first round. Last year they were just called first round picks. Right?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2013 20:58:19 GMT -5
It's not necessarily the same length as a team could lose a second rd pick, but otherwise yes they are first rd picks.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Nov 3, 2013 21:00:46 GMT -5
One little clarification: the picks awarded to the team losing the FA are not really "sandwich" picks anymore. Since the signing team's pick disappears, the first round stays the same length, and if there are X number of FAs with QOs signed, the team losing the FA gets one of the last X picks of the first round. Last year they were just called first round picks. Right? Well, except for the first 11 picks of the first round are protected. So I guess that means that the number of picks through pick 11 of round 2 remains constant, rather than the first round being the same length? And the extra picks to compensated teams fall between the first round picks that remain with their original teams and the first 11 2nd round picks that remain with their original teams, so in that sense, they are still "sandwich" picks?
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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 3, 2013 21:39:49 GMT -5
Kendrys Morales is clearly the worst player on that list.
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Post by raftsox on Nov 3, 2013 21:49:17 GMT -5
Well, except for the first 11 picks of the first round are protected. Only the first 10 picks are protected. Remember last draft when the Mets threw a fit that their #11 pick wasn't protected because the Pirates failed to sign Mark Appel?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 3, 2013 23:27:28 GMT -5
Well, except for the first 11 picks of the first round are protected. Only the first 10 picks are protected. Remember last draft when the Mets threw a fit that their #11 pick wasn't protected because the Pirates failed to sign Mark Appel? The first 11 picks are, both of the Blue Jays' picks are, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by bigpupp on Nov 4, 2013 1:44:35 GMT -5
Only the first 10 picks are protected. Remember last draft when the Mets threw a fit that their #11 pick wasn't protected because the Pirates failed to sign Mark Appel? The first 11 picks are, both of the Blue Jays' picks are, if I'm not mistaken. Can't link cause I'm on my phone but a couple sites agree with you.
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Post by raftsox on Nov 4, 2013 5:36:42 GMT -5
The first 11 picks are, both of the Blue Jays' picks are, if I'm not mistaken. Can't link cause I'm on my phone but a couple sites agree with you. Just looked it up. I think you guys are correct. What I'm curious about now is if all comp picks are protected or only in the instance of a top ten pick.
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Post by kman22 on Nov 4, 2013 14:13:54 GMT -5
Can't link cause I'm on my phone but a couple sites agree with you. Just looked it up. I think you guys are correct. What I'm curious about now is if all comp picks are protected or only in the instance of a top ten pick. All comp picks.
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Post by amfox1 on Nov 4, 2013 16:11:36 GMT -5
Updated:
Qualifying offers (if the QO is rejected and the player is signed to a major league contract by another team, the signing team will lose their first unprotected pick (picks #1-11 are protected), the teams who lost the player will get a sandwich pick)
Announced (13, in draft order): Morales (SEA) Cano (MFY) Granderson (MFY) Kuroda (MFY) Santana (KC) Choo (CIN) Cruz (TEX) Jimenez (CLE) McCann (ATL) Drew (BOS) Ellsbury (BOS) Napoli (BOS) Beltran (STL)
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Post by stevedillard on Nov 5, 2013 9:25:50 GMT -5
Updated: Announced (13, in draft order):Morales (SEA)Cano (MFY)Granderson (MFY) Kuroda (MFY)Santana (KC) Choo (CIN) Cruz (TEX) Jimenez (CLE) McCann (ATL) Drew (BOS) Ellsbury (BOS) Napoli (BOS)Beltran (STL) Couple of thoughts. First, assume Kuroda, Napoli (and perhaps Cano) are likely not to go elsewhere, so take them out. Not sure another team would take Morales, so will he also accept? Second, if the others 9 sign with a non-protected team ahead of us, our first pick of #30 might slide down to 21st. our comps, currently 38 and 39 could slide to 29 and 30th
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 7, 2013 13:41:31 GMT -5
Kiley McDaniel with his top 142 HS Seniors. I'm starting to wonder if these lists with someone other than Alex Jackson at #1 are just being contrarian. sbb.scout.com/2/1343076.html
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 7, 2013 14:44:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Jackson here is recent video of him. At some point the Red Sox will be able to draft a guy like this....#DraftJunkieProblems.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 7, 2013 15:33:25 GMT -5
Speaking of Jackson here is recent video of him. At some point the Red Sox will be able to draft a guy like this....#DraftJunkieProblems. Do you mean like last year? I can't imagine this team is drafting in the top 10 anytime soon my friend.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 7, 2013 15:41:23 GMT -5
You never know my friend.
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Post by pedey on Nov 7, 2013 16:14:03 GMT -5
I think that the Sox have done a great job loading up on young pitchers the last few years. Outside of XB, there are not many big bats. I'd go after some big power hitters in the upcoming draft.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 7, 2013 17:47:43 GMT -5
I can't imagine this team is drafting in the top 10 anytime soon my friend. No one really saw it coming the last time, either.
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Post by futurefenwaystars on Nov 7, 2013 20:41:06 GMT -5
I read that Touki Toussaint recently committed to Vanderbilt. With how good the Commodores are t getting their recruits to campus, I wonder if teams will hesitate picking Toussaint and Justus Sheffield. It could be a self-fulfilling prophecy, as players slip because of signability, and end up going to campus because they slip.
Either way, I'd be a fan of the Sox taking Touki if he is on the board at the end of Round 1.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2013 20:51:03 GMT -5
I think that the Sox have done a great job loading up on young pitchers the last few years. Outside of XB, there are not many big bats. I'd go after some big power hitters in the upcoming draft. There aren't even many "big power hitters" in the majors anymore though. 14 players hit 30 home runs this year. 5 hit 35. 2 hit 40. And of the 14 30-HR guys, one (Dunn) had a negative fWAR, two (Trumbo and Alvarez) had OBP's below .300, one (Soriano) was only just above that at .302, and finally, one was Moss, who can only play on the RHP side of a platoon. Power is a "weakness" in the system because it's a weakness in the game in the post-steroid era. Guys who can hit 30 bombs don't just grow on trees.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2013 21:06:21 GMT -5
They used to grow off needles though. I've been saying this for years that the game is certainly transitioning. 20 home runs means something again.
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Post by amfox1 on Nov 11, 2013 15:44:39 GMT -5
So far, none of the qualifying offers have been accepted, per news sources. Publicly, no decisions have been announced for Cano, Kuroda, Choo, Jimenez and Beltran, but none are expected to accept.
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Post by bentossaurus on Nov 11, 2013 16:11:11 GMT -5
There's a good chance Morales, Cano and Granderson all re-sign with the previous team (let's see if the Yankees are holding firm on that $189M mantra), which means the line starts at Santana, if Kuroda is going back to Japan as has been said.
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Post by bjb406 on Nov 11, 2013 16:38:04 GMT -5
Also if i'm not mistaken, i think each team gets 1 pick until everyone who needs one has gotten one, so it wouldn't be new york 3 times at the top, and if boston got 3 they would have the last 2
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Post by amfox1 on Nov 11, 2013 17:02:14 GMT -5
There's a good chance Morales, Cano and Granderson all re-sign with the previous team (let's see if the Yankees are holding firm on that $189M mantra), which means the line starts at Santana, if Kuroda is going back to Japan as has been said. Granderson is unlikely to return to the Hankees. In fact, according to sources, Granderson is more likely to sign with the Mets than the other team in NYC.
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