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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 10, 2012 6:18:54 GMT -5
9/11 Red Sox (LHP Jon Lester 9-11 4.99) vs. Yankees (RHP Hiroki Kuroda 13-10 3.14) 7:10 pm ET, NESN//MLBN/WEEI9/12 Red Sox (RHP Aaron Cook 3-9 5.17) vs. Yankees (RHP David Phelps 3-4 3.55) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/ESPN/WEEI9/13 Red Sox (LHP Felix Doubront 10-8 5.21) vs. Yankees (RHP Phil Hughes 14-12 4.13) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEI MLB Standings Red Sox Hitting Stats Red Sox Pitching Stats MLB Scoreboard MLB Transactions Weather Series Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 10, 2012 6:19:17 GMT -5
Should be at least 2 more losses in this series if not another sweep.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 10, 2012 8:25:21 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 11 draft spot (as of 9/10am):
#6 MIA -- (wins tiebreaker with any teams other than SD/KC based on 2011 record) #7 BOS -- (now 1-11 in their last 12 games against LAA, OAK, SEA and TOR) #8 KC 0.5 GB (wins tiebreaker with any other team (tied with SD) based on 2011 record) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 TOR 2.0 GB #11 NYM 2.5 GB #12 SD 3.0 GB (wins tiebreaker with any team (tied with KC) based on 2011 record)
Note: the top 11 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
With MIA and KC both winning, BOS has moved into the #7 spot, tied with MIA and 0.5 games ahead of (behind?) KC. BOS has a well-deserved day off on Monday before heading off to play the AL East teams the rest of the way. It should be noted that Boston loses the tiebreaker with any teams.
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Post by elguapo on Sept 10, 2012 8:53:50 GMT -5
Just win, baby!
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 10, 2012 10:23:18 GMT -5
The Boston Red Sox have fallen behind the Kansas City Royals!! Can you believe it? Sorry for stealing your line Joe Castig.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 10, 2012 11:00:00 GMT -5
3 more losses would be nice.
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Post by elguapo on Sept 10, 2012 11:14:16 GMT -5
3 more losses would be nice. ... to knock NY back into a 3-way tie with Baltimore and Tampa, who are going head to head. Unless you're rooting for the Yankees, which suggests a mental disorder. The Sox have been diligent about saving their token wins for the Yankees series - don't let us down now!
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 10, 2012 11:16:22 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about the Yankees, I'm thinking about the best possible draft pick right now.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2012 11:18:27 GMT -5
Rooting for the Red Sox to lose to the Yankees is bad mojo. There are plenty of other chances to lose, this is a great chance for them to play spoiler. The Red Sox killing the Yankees playoff hopes is way cooler than the difference between the #7 and #10 pick in the draft.
With Kevin Youkilis gone, I'm interested to see who Joba Chamberlain throws at.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 10, 2012 11:42:14 GMT -5
I'd rather the higher pick with a higher bonus allocation.
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Post by mainesox on Sept 10, 2012 12:05:55 GMT -5
The Red Sox killing the Yankees playoff hopes is way cooler than the difference between the #7 and #10 pick in the draft. Completely disagree. Killing the Yankee's playoff hopes would be fun, but does nothing to help the Sox; the difference between the #7 and #10 (more like between #5 and #10 since we're already at #7), plus the additional draft pool money, and drafting higher in every round could make a huge difference to the team's future.
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Post by marti427 on Sept 10, 2012 12:06:01 GMT -5
Think the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks would do Bobby V for Willy Mo?
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2012 14:39:25 GMT -5
plus the additional draft pool money, I'm really uncomfortable with the level that the new CBA encourages tanking. It makes my skin crawl, actually. Miserable system they've come up with.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 10, 2012 16:46:09 GMT -5
I would like to see the Red Sox beat the MFYs and lose to everyone else. So let it be written ...
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Post by mainesox on Sept 10, 2012 17:08:38 GMT -5
plus the additional draft pool money, I'm really uncomfortable with the level that the new CBA encourages tanking. It makes my skin crawl, actually. Miserable system they've come up with. I actually agree with you, but just for the record I would be advocating tanking just as strongly at this point under the old system too.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 10, 2012 17:11:51 GMT -5
I'd rather the higher pick with a higher bonus allocation. Completely agree.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 10, 2012 17:22:47 GMT -5
HA HA HA HA... ken rosenthal is FUNNY! he thinks the sox should have to pay at least Clay in order to get Farrell from the Blue Jays!
(MLBTR)
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 10, 2012 17:27:55 GMT -5
Here we go again, two words I hate after the Theo drama... Significant compensation.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2012 19:04:07 GMT -5
I mean, anytime you can trade your best pitcher for a manager with a .482 winning percentage, I think you have to do it. This reminds me of the time the Jets were probably going to fire Herm Edwards, but the Chiefs wanted him so badly that they traded draft picks to get him.
Farrell may be a perfectly fine manager, but he has no track record - at all - to indicate that he is. The way he gets talked up is totally mystifying. He was a good pitching coach, but so were Joe Kerrigan and Ray Miller. With all due respect, the Red Sox shouldn't trade anyone in their top 40 prospects to get him, never mind one of their two solid starting pitchers.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 10, 2012 19:22:03 GMT -5
Buccholz for 121 pitches? There must be a very good reason that the baseball genius knows that the rest of us don't see.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 10, 2012 22:33:02 GMT -5
I mean, anytime you can trade your best pitcher for a manager with a .482 winning percentage, I think you have to do it. This reminds me of the time the Jets were probably going to fire Herm Edwards, but the Chiefs wanted him so badly that they traded draft picks to get him. Farrell may be a perfectly fine manager, but he has no track record - at all - to indicate that he is. The way he gets talked up is totally mystifying. He was a good pitching coach, but so were Joe Kerrigan and Ray Miller. With all due respect, the Red Sox shouldn't trade anyone in their top 40 prospects to get him, never mind one of their two solid starting pitchers. Not disagreeing, but don't forget that Farrell isn't a guy that has only been a pitching coach (btw, I think Leo Mazzone is a guy that could headline the group you mention). He was in player development with the Tribe before coming to Boston, and was in charge there from '01 to '06, during which BA ranked the system, by year starting in 2002, 20-1-6-7-9-10. He's also been well established as a guy that was Francona's man in the clubhouse and that his departure was a big reason why the clubhouse culture caved in a bit the past two seasons. I'm not saying this makes him a good candidate, but he wasn't some guy that spent all his time watching bullpens. I'm also not convinced that his not succeeding in Toronto shows us anything - A) they've been hit worse by injuries this year than even the Sox, and B) even if this is him failing, a manager/coach failing in his first job doesn't mean he'll always be a bad one (see Belichick, Bill; Francona, Terry; etc.).
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2012 23:11:03 GMT -5
I'm probably being a tad too harsh on Farrell. He did a better job as pitching coach than I gave him credit for at the time, and I'm generally impressed by his interviews and the way he comes across. If the choice was between him, and, say, a disaster like Larry Bowa, it wouldn't be a competition. If all else were equal, I'd say he deserves as much of a chance as anyone else to the Red Sox job.
All else isn't equal, though. Farrell is under contract to be the Blue Jays manager, and therefore hiring him would come with a price. The idea that the price would be the Red Sox best pitcher, given: 1) Farrell's track record; and 2) the precedent set for such compensation; is completely insane. There's no basis in anything in reality for it. Why not just say "the Blue Jays could start by asking for Buchholz, Pedroia, Bogaerts, a half-dozen of the Fenway Park bricks, the 1975 American League pennant, and Jenny Dell?"
In using the Belichick and Francona examples, it also sort of exemplifies the ludicrousness of this whole thing. Both of them have said that the experience of failing and getting humbled by their firing is part of what made them re-examine their failures to come back as better coaches. That wouldn't be happening with Farrell.
You're right about the player development thing, though I'm not sure how it applies. That's a much smaller part of a field manager's work (though it is a part of it, for sure). In fact, if that's his best skill, it's more of a recommendation to get him a front office job.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 11, 2012 9:11:19 GMT -5
Buccholz for 121 pitches? There must be a very good reason that the baseball genius knows that the rest of us don't see. Bobby V knows why. The rest of us just aren't smart enough to understand why.
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Post by tjb21 on Sept 11, 2012 10:43:20 GMT -5
...but just for the record I would be advocating tanking just as strongly at this point under the old system too. Me too.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 11, 2012 14:17:39 GMT -5
Famed rivals the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox will set aside their differences tonight before kicking off a 3-game series -- honoring the victims of 9/11 with an emotional tribute before Game 1 at Fenway. A rep for the Red Sox tells TMZ, the home team has planned a special 9/11 remembrance ceremony that will occur before the game, including a moment of silence. The rep says families who lost loved ones on 9/11 will be on the field for the ceremony. The Boston Fire Department will act as color guard for the National Anthem -- performed by the Boston Fire Acapella Quartet (badass) -- and the flag will be presented by reps from the Boston PD, the Boston FD, and the Boston EMT. Read more: www.tmz.com/2012/09/11/red-sox-yankees-9-11-tribute-series/#ixzz26BnMZz9bYes TMZ scooped MLB writers
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