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Baseball America Red Sox Top 10 Prospects
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 9:10:15 GMT -5
1. Xander Bogaerts, ss/3b (21) Majors 2. Henry Owens, lhp (21) Double-A 3. Jackie Bradley, of (23) Majors 4. Allen Webster, rhp (24) Majors 5. Blake Swihart, c (21) High Class A 6. Will Middlebrooks, 3b (25) Majors 7. Garin Cecchini, 3b (22) Double-A 8. Mookie Betts, 2b (21) High Class A 9. Rubby de la Rosa, rhp (25) Majors 10. Brandon Workman, rhp (25) Majors 11. Matt Barnes, rhp (23) Double-A 12. Trey Ball, lhp (19) Rookie 13. Anthony Ranaudo, rhp (24) Triple-A 14. Christian Vazquez, c (23) Triple-A 15. Manuel Margot, of (19) Short-season www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/WMB at 6 ahead of Cecchini, that'll be debated. Too much to take in at once, Merry Christmas!
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Post by wskeleton76 on Dec 16, 2013 11:02:12 GMT -5
This list isn't written by Jim Callis but by new guy Alex Speier.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 16, 2013 11:13:46 GMT -5
That list is of course "TOP 15 PLAYERS 25 AND UNDER"
This is the TOP 10
1. Xander Bogaerts, ss/3b 2. Henry Owens, lhp 3. Jackie Bradley, of 4. Allen Webster, rhp 5. Blake Swihart, c 6. Garin Cecchini, 3b 7. Mookie Betts, 2b 8. Brandon Workman, rhp 9. Matt Barnes, rhp 10. Trey Ball, lhp
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 16, 2013 11:13:52 GMT -5
Think of what this team has accomplished with its minor league system. Ranaudo at 13, a guy who might very well have his first taste of success in the majors this year. Unreal.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 16, 2013 11:13:56 GMT -5
TOP 10 PROSPECTS 1. Xander Bogaerts, ss/3b 2. Henry Owens, lhp 3. Jackie Bradley, of 4. Allen Webster, rhp 5. Blake Swihart, c 6. Garin Cecchini, 3b 7. Mookie Betts, 2b 8. Brandon Workman, rhp 9. Matt Barnes, rhp 10. Trey Ball, lhp
That's the top prospect list. Jimed14 posted the top 15, 25 and under
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 11:18:32 GMT -5
I like top 15 under 25 better. Just because Workman, Bogaerts and JBJ will graduate doesn't mean the future isn't any less bright.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 16, 2013 11:19:35 GMT -5
Alex will also be chatting at BA at 2pm. Usually were good questions for Callis in past years.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 16, 2013 11:27:04 GMT -5
What I like is the positional variance on that top ten. A ss, 3b, 2b, cf, c, 2 lh starters and 3 rh starters. Baseball America is of course correct to point out what we all are aware of: the lack of corner power bats outside of 3b.
Also tying this to the argument of who will hold the #1 come June we can see BA appears to come down on the side of Owens.
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Post by mjammz on Dec 16, 2013 11:28:06 GMT -5
I love Speier's work, but there is no way he could have watched all these players as much as others thoughout the year. It's just not possible with him on the Red Sox beat. I'd be curious to hear if he formed the list off of personal opinion or by using what others told him in combination to his own views.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Dec 16, 2013 11:28:24 GMT -5
1. Xander Bogaerts, ss/3b (21) Majors 2. Henry Owens, lhp (21) Double-A 3. Jackie Bradley, of (23) Majors 4. Allen Webster, rhp (24) Majors 5. Blake Swihart, c (21) High Class A 6. Will Middlebrooks, 3b (25) Majors 7. Garin Cecchini, 3b (22) Double-A 8. Mookie Betts, 2b (21) High Class A 9. Rubby de la Rosa, rhp (25) Majors 10. Brandon Workman, rhp (25) Majors 11. Matt Barnes, rhp (23) Double-A 12. Trey Ball, lhp (19) Rookie 13. Anthony Ranaudo, rhp (24) Triple-A 14. Christian Vazquez, c (23) Triple-A 15. Manuel Margot, of (19) Short-season www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/WMB at 6 ahead of Cecchini, that'll be debated. Too much to take in at once, Merry Christmas! 1. Xander Bogaerts, ss/3b (21) Majors Obvious and I expect a top ten performer and elite war from 2014 for a decade or so. 2. Henry Owens, lhp (21) Double-A Shocked he is at 2 and if he performs at this level it will go a long way towards the sox staying a top five system. 3. Jackie Bradley, of (23) Majors I'm going to really enjoy his art in cf and really hope his power comes along. 4. Allen Webster, rhp (24) Majors I have him at the bottom of my top three bucket starters. I hope he deserves this rank. 5. Blake Swihart, c (21) High Class A I don't have him this high yet but his sweet swing combined with strong natural d may see this a worthy placement by September. 6. Will Middlebrooks, 3b (25) Majors I wish his plate approach could be drilled into the Red Sox way but if his power continues to improve it way not matter. 7. Garin Cecchini, 3b (22) Double-A If he is truly at 7, it is with a bullet. I project him to move quickly like number 8. 8. Mookie Betts, 2b (21) High Class A I expect him to move quickly and contribute in September then be a super sub in 2015. 9. Rubby de la Rosa, rhp (25) Majors Again I'm hopeful he deserves the rank, but I'd like to see steady results, instead of flashy stuff. I hope he starts. 10. Brandon Workman, rhp (25) Majors Impressed by his attitude and mound presence. Again, I hope he is stretched out as I see a Masterson comp. 11. Matt Barnes, rhp (23) Double-A Very important year and I still see 2 potential but it is time to see consistent performance. 12. Trey Ball, lhp (19) Rookie I wonder what we actually see.in 2013. Will he be Owens like? 13. Anthony Ranaudo, rhp (24) Triple-A I see him much higher and hope to be correct. 14. Christian Vazquez, c (23) Triple-A If he hits early and avoids catching wright, could be in boston quicker than most expect. 15. Manuel Margot, of (19) Short-season Will he lead the next wave of talent?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 16, 2013 11:29:56 GMT -5
Although the WMB placement will obviously spark a lot of debate, the bigger surprise to me is Owens placement. I say that because in the general case, the sabermetric supporters of Owens were far more optimistic than the scouting reports and supporters. BA is typically scouting slanted in their approach.
WOW on Swihart....
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 11:31:41 GMT -5
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Post by joshv02 on Dec 16, 2013 11:44:26 GMT -5
or by using what others told him in combination to his own views. That is how virtually all the BA lists are compiled
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Post by ramireja on Dec 16, 2013 11:48:39 GMT -5
A few surprises to me among the best tools:
Best Power HItter - Xander Bogaerts. I would have guessed Brentz. Fastest Baserunner - Bryan Hudson. I'm not sure who I would have gone with, but this kind of pick obviously requires intimate knowledge of the farm system. I think its pretty rare for a best tool to be awarded to a virtual non prospect like Hudson. Best Curveball - Brandon Workman. I was thinking maybe Ranaudo? Best Changeup - Henry Owens. Its hard to argue with that, but Webster's changeup is filthy.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 16, 2013 11:49:12 GMT -5
News to me was Bryan Hudson, 18yo 2013 15th round pick who had a nice little debut with 400 obp, as fastest base runner
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 16, 2013 12:03:16 GMT -5
or by using what others told him in combination to his own views. That is how virtually all the BA lists are compiled Yeah, I sincerely doubt Callis ever saw any of those guys play when he did the list, or that he did enough for it to be a meaningful sample. These lists mostly are aggregations of scouting analysis.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 16, 2013 12:12:21 GMT -5
That is how virtually all the BA lists are compiled Yeah, I sincerely doubt Callis ever saw any of those guys play when he did the list, or that he did enough for it to be a meaningful sample. These lists mostly are aggregations of scouting analysis. Right, I don't think any of the BA writers would consider themselves scouts (at least primarily scouts). They are journalists who rely heavily on the analysis from scouts.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 12:22:13 GMT -5
Ben Badler @benbadler How strong is the Red Sox farm system? All of their Top 10 prospects have a legitimate shot to crack the BA Top 100: bit.ly/JrLPiU
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Post by Guidas on Dec 16, 2013 12:26:03 GMT -5
Ben Badler @benbadler How strong is the Red Sox farm system? All of their Top 10 prospects have a legitimate shot to crack the BA Top 100: bit.ly/JrLPiUHokey smokes.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 16, 2013 12:27:34 GMT -5
Ben Badler @benbadler How strong is the Red Sox farm system? All of their Top 10 prospects have a legitimate shot to crack the BA Top 100: bit.ly/JrLPiUInteresting. I would guess the top 7 all make it with Workman, Barnes, and (to a lesser extent) Ball in the conversation. I also find it interesting that Ranuado could miss the Top 100 after coming in #37 on the mid-season list. Not like he was THAT terrible in the second half.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 16, 2013 12:36:12 GMT -5
Although its a bit silly, I miss BA's prediction of the starting lineup and rotation in 5 years. I guess that was replaced by this 25 and under list.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 16, 2013 12:39:45 GMT -5
No real surprises for me. Same players at SP top 11. BA puts Workman in the top 10 whereas SP has Ranaudo. I said in the other thread that I was curious where Workman would be as I think this site under-rates him a bit. I put him behind Owens and Ball (and only Ball because he was such a high pick), but they have him behind Owens and Webster.
The bottom line is all these guys are fairly tightly bunched and any order is justifiable as long as Xander is first.
If I had one extremely minor quibble it'd be Swithart being ranked ahead of Cecchini. It's one freaking spot so please take this with a gain of salt.
I think they are placing way too much on position here for two reasons.
1. You can argue it's easier to find a catcher these days than a quality third baseman. At the very least it's a lot closer between 3rd and catcher than it was in previous years.
2. Ceccini has played well in the upper minors whereas Swithart hasn't even seen a AA at bat yet. We all like the path Swithart is taking, he isa lot further away than Cecchini so I can't get behind putting him ahead of him in the rankings. And yes, I consider this a lot even at a 1 level difference, when it's A to AA and catchers don't move as quickly. I do think it's highly possible they start the year on the same squad in Portland, but that's irrelevant to me for a preseason list.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 16, 2013 12:40:02 GMT -5
I'd expect it will still show in the 2014 Prospect Handbook.
Edit: Referring to the 5 year line up projection.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 16, 2013 13:07:35 GMT -5
The strength of the list is obvious in so many ways. Take Vazquez, a 23 year old catcher who's reached AAA, has well developed defensive chops, and good onbase skills. Projected by scouts to have starting catcher potential, he's 14th!
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 13:13:08 GMT -5
The strength of the list is obvious in so many ways. Take Vazquez, a 23 year old catcher who's reached AAA, has well developed defensive chops, and good onbase skills. Projected by scouts to have starting catcher potential, he's 14th! Wasn't it Callis who said he wouldn't be surprised if he were much better in the majors than his scouting report ever suggested?
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