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Post by okin15 on Feb 13, 2014 15:30:08 GMT -5
I'd guess an international draft would be separate from the domestic draft. What Taft said. If it's two separate drafts, do the worst teams get two top picks? Maybe there's a draft pick draft where each team gets to choose which draft it's in with it's first pick, and then when it come's around, what's the best spot for their second draft. Would be interesting that way to compare the way teams value each talent area. Add: In either case, I think the cost of a younger (mostly international) talent is going to come down some, as they have such a high bust rate (to go along with higher ceilings I guess). Would be good to see some of that money go back into the American part of the draft where kids are choosing among so many other sports.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 13, 2014 15:55:42 GMT -5
There is nothing concrete so who knows. International signings have always been separate so I don't see why mix them now. The bonus allocations already are set based on record so yes the worst teams would get the higher picks in a hypothetical draft. They already have the bonus slots thing so I'd guess it will be similar to the domestic draft.
As for wanting more money in the domestic draft it already gets more allotted money so you want them to take more money from international prospects? I'll have to disagree. Do we want International prospects playing MLB? Yes? No? /snark over.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 13, 2014 16:43:31 GMT -5
Anyways even if they reduce the international $$$ that money wouldn't go to the domestic draft, it would go to pockets.
Only a handful of prospects will get upwards of $2 Million in the International market. In the draft basically the entire 1st round gets that amount and many more come close to it.
The top players in the international market usually get $3 million the players at the top of the draft usually get $6 million plus. I'd say the market is already adjusting the bust rates etc.
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Post by bigpupp on Feb 13, 2014 18:08:56 GMT -5
They only lose that ability in one signing period. It just sounds like two years because it goes from July 14-June 15. That was last year apparently MLB is stiffening the penalties this year. We'll see when more comes out. Do you have a link that says they will lose their ability to sign players in the 14-15 and 15-16 signing period? I haven't seen that linked anywhere and, like I responded to earlier, even what you quoted only refered to the one signing period.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 13, 2014 18:23:23 GMT -5
If they do an international draft, they should raise the age to 17/18. I mean don't some teams not sign them at all because they're too risky? It would be just dumb if they draft guys they don't want to sign.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 13, 2014 21:05:40 GMT -5
That was last year apparently MLB is stiffening the penalties this year. We'll see when more comes out. Do you have a link that says they will lose their ability to sign players in the 14-15 and 15-16 signing period? I haven't seen that linked anywhere and, like I responded to earlier, even what you quoted only refered to the one signing period. I didn't quote anything it was someone else and that is from the rules for last year. I read it in one of "Yankees are going crazy" articles I believe the one from Kiley McDaniel which he says MLB is stiffening he penalties or whatever. I can't link it because I'm on a phone right now. Anyways we'll see as July 2 approaches perhaps I misunderstood what he meant.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 13, 2014 21:19:35 GMT -5
sbb.scout.com/2/1361172.htmlBy Kiley McDaniel … The New York Yankees are poised to respond to a disappointing 2013 campaign at the major and minor league levels by shattering the record for spending on international amateurs, starting on July 2nd, 2014…. … If they go more than 15 percent above their bonus pool, they would also lose their ability to sign any international amateur for more than $300K in the 2015-16 or 2016-17 signing seasons.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 13, 2014 21:26:34 GMT -5
If they do an international draft, they should raise the age to 17/18. I mean don't some teams not sign them at all because they're too risky? It would be just dumb if they draft guys they don't want to sign. Again who knows there is nothing concrete. All there is now is that they have implemented many things like the US draft, bonus allotment/slots etc, so one would presume it would work similar to the US draft just with International players. Perhaps they raise the age who knows. As for teams that don't want to participate well I don't know which team wouldn't want to participate in the 2nd best and cheapest form of talent acquisition so.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 13, 2014 21:29:52 GMT -5
sbb.scout.com/2/1361172.htmlBy Kiley McDaniel … The New York Yankees are poised to respond to a disappointing 2013 campaign at the major and minor league levels by shattering the record for spending on international amateurs, starting on July 2nd, 2014…. … If they go more than 15 percent above their bonus pool, they would also lose their ability to sign any international amateur for more than $300K in the 2015-16 or 2016-17 signing seasons. So I was off by 50k (I said 250k I believe)..... I need a tune up soon I'm struggling.
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Post by bigpupp on Feb 13, 2014 21:47:05 GMT -5
sbb.scout.com/2/1361172.htmlBy Kiley McDaniel … The New York Yankees are poised to respond to a disappointing 2013 campaign at the major and minor league levels by shattering the record for spending on international amateurs, starting on July 2nd, 2014…. … If they go more than 15 percent above their bonus pool, they would also lose their ability to sign any international amateur for more than $300K in the 2015-16 or 2016-17 signing seasons. Thanks. Hadn't seen that from anyone before (obviously).
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 13, 2014 21:48:56 GMT -5
International players are a crap load harder to project then the MLB draft…. So what the yankees are doing is taking a crap load more risk then the normal draft
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2014 16:32:49 GMT -5
If bad teams got the top picks in both international and domestic drafts, that's pretty dumb.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 14, 2014 16:45:30 GMT -5
If bad teams got the top picks in both international and domestic drafts, that's pretty dumb. Why because they might get better quicker? Then they will be dropped in both drafts as well. Personally I like the system they have in place now...if anything I would make the penalties for restricting the size of a contract extend more than one year for teams that more than double their bonus pool so teams like the Yankees can't go out and buy everyone every other year. Which of course probably won't happen anyways as some form of change is bound to come soon enough.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2014 9:43:53 GMT -5
For several reasons, but one is it gives even more incentive for losing a lot when you're not going to make the playoffs. Now you get the worst teams getting 2 number 1 picks instead of 1. Or a team like the 2012 Red Sox where everyone clearly stopped trying from the front office to the players resulting in an epically bad last 1.5 months. What do they get for it? A nice reward of 2 top 7 picks now...
I'm waiting for the day that MLB implements an independent panel to assign all armature talent across MLB teams to make sure the owners and front offices can't make mistakes. It's pretty much what they want. Make it fool proof for everyone.
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Post by jdb on Feb 15, 2014 11:09:11 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the next great Cuban to defect.
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Post by bluechip on Feb 17, 2014 23:11:43 GMT -5
For several reasons, but one is it gives even more incentive for losing a lot when you're not going to make the playoffs. Now you get the worst teams getting 2 number 1 picks instead of 1. Or a team like the 2012 Red Sox where everyone clearly stopped trying from the front office to the players resulting in an epically bad last 1.5 months. What do they get for it? A nice reward of 2 top 7 picks now... I'm waiting for the day that MLB implements an independent panel to assign all armature talent across MLB teams to make sure the owners and front offices can't make mistakes. It's pretty much what they want. Make it fool proof for everyone. The draft system is so much better than the old system, where certain coaches would funnel top prospects to teams they were unofficially affiliated with (I am talking about what happened before the US draft). Having the top pick in the international draft really isn't that much of an advantage since fifteen year old kids are really hard to project.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 18, 2014 14:17:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the fact there was corruption doesn't mean there needs to be over regulation to fix it. Other measures can be taken.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 20, 2014 19:01:57 GMT -5
19th year old pitcher Francisco Tena appeared on the DSL rosterv but he's also suspended for 50 games for PED use. That's a big nothing.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Feb 20, 2014 19:57:19 GMT -5
I think it's pretty impressive that he can go from getting signed to being suspended in 2 months. Also, Anderson Espinoza and Pedro.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 21, 2014 17:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 22, 2014 15:01:19 GMT -5
Dodgers sign Cuban SS Erisbel Arruebarrena for 5/25.
Maybe their re-signing of Hanley isn't as much of a foregone conclusion as I'd have thought?
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Post by jimoh on Feb 22, 2014 15:44:01 GMT -5
Dodgers sign Cuban SS Erisbel Arruebarrena for 5/25. Maybe their re-signing of Hanley isn't as much of a foregone conclusion as I'd have thought? espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10502421/los-angeles-dodgers-announce-signing-shortstop-erisbel-arruebarrena"Arruebarrena .. likely will begin the season in the minor leagues, but the Dodgers think he has a chance to be their shortstop of the future. 'We think he adds to our major-league club at some point this year, someone who can play shortstop at a high level,' Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said. The Dodgers have begun discussions with shortstop Hanley Ramirez on a long-term contract extension, but Colletti said Ramirez is open to moving positions, likely to third base. Ramirez is a free agent at the end of the upcoming season."
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 22, 2014 16:12:28 GMT -5
Dodgers sign Cuban SS Erisbel Arruebarrena for 5/25. Maybe their re-signing of Hanley isn't as much of a foregone conclusion as I'd have thought? Hanley is a third baseman in the not so distant future.
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Post by templeusox on Feb 22, 2014 16:21:36 GMT -5
I really, really hope we sign Almedys Diaz. Spend that Dempster money.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 22, 2014 17:16:15 GMT -5
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