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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 29, 2014 3:13:44 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2014 6:52:02 GMT -5
Don't overlook reading the comments, they're equally informative. |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jan 29, 2014 10:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jan 29, 2014 11:30:38 GMT -5
I previously posted about Yoon here. Note that the MLBTR salary estimate (2/$10m) should not be taken as gospel-- there is a huge range of possible outcomes on low-level international signings like this, especially when there are significant injury and performance questions at issue. |
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 29, 2014 19:15:29 GMT -5
With two teams in discussions for the services of Suk-min Yoon of Korea... I hope that we can be seeing the Red Sox sign this 27 year old international free agent. The Twins appear to have bowed out and the other team in discussions was the Red Sox... so if I read this right we could be signing this player very soon. Even though he got four offers, the article notes that he only had discussions with two of them and the Twins appear to have bowed out according to Darren Welfson of 1500 ESPN. This would work along with the push the Sox are making to get imbedded into the Asian market this year, specifically Korea. The Sox made a deal with a Korean team earlier this month to get better access to Korean players scouting reports and I think this will be the first deal that comes from those efforts. I don't know much about this player besides people saying that he was the second best pitcher in Korea besides Ryu... but that he is not in the same class as Ryu. I'm just reporting the story, but I would like to hear some feedback from those who have some scouting info or a good site to check stats in Korea. I would also be curious to know what the level of competition is in the Korean baseball league. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/suk-min-yoon-in-talks-with-two-clubs-may-sign-soon.html www.mlbdailydish.com/2014/1/10/5296998/red-sox-sign-japanese-independent-league-hideyoshi-otake |
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 29, 2014 19:29:41 GMT -5
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 29, 2014 19:33:00 GMT -5
If the Sox sign him for two years, they still control the player for six years through arbitration like Tazawa. This means that the Sox could be paying for his services knowing that he might be damaged goods and could miss a year like Junichi and still get something out of him. The contract just states what they guarantee the player, but they still get the full amount of years to control the player like a prospect. |
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Post by jmei on Jan 29, 2014 22:25:09 GMT -5
If Yoon signs an MLB contract, his agent will almost certainly push for a clause that allows him to become a free agent after the end of his first contract rather than subjecting him to the six years of team control. That clause is something many veteran Asian imports have in their contracts (see, e.g., Hiroki Kuroda or Koji Uehara). Tazawa was 21 when he came over and was basically a true prospect, while Yoon turns 28 next year-- he's almost certainly going to want to be a free agent after that initial deal, and he probably has the leverage to get that from the team he signs with.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 30, 2014 0:07:59 GMT -5
@nickcafardo: Scott Boras indicated the Red Sox are one of "many teams" interested in S. Korean pitcher Suk-min Yoon and says "we'll know more in 10 days
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 30, 2014 0:34:06 GMT -5
If Yoon signs an MLB contract, his agent will almost certainly push for a clause that allows him to become a free agent after the end of his first contract rather than subjecting him to the six years of team control. That clause is something many veteran Asian imports have in their contracts (see, e.g., Hiroki Kuroda or Koji Uehara). Tazawa was 21 when he came over and was basically a true prospect, while Yoon turns 28 next year-- he's almost certainly going to want to be a free agent after that initial deal, and he probably has the leverage to get that from the team he signs with. Not really apples to apples here though. Kuroda was 33 when he came over and Koji 34. Yoon is coming over the first year possible to be a full free agent at 27 years old. He is also the youngest free agent pitcher left on the market that won't cost a draft pick. I don't think he has the leverage that Boras is making it out to seem (surprise surprise) because he sustained a serious shoulder injury and had a terrible off year. Reading about this more and more, I am very concerned and I think this will be voiced into contract demands in case he does get hurt... the team can recoup the time and still get value. Not that I typically quote comments on a message board... but this guy seems to have a very good post after this was on MLBTR in October. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/free-agent-profile-suk-min-yoon.html#disqus_threadI finally found some recent stats on his pitching and you can see the difference after the shoulder injury here: www.rotowire.com/baseball/player.htm?id=12753 |
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Post by jmei on Jan 30, 2014 8:59:05 GMT -5
Made this it's own thread.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jan 30, 2014 9:07:30 GMT -5
Yoon could be pretty good set up guy like Tazawa if he finds his old form. But unlike hyunjin Ryu the best Korean pitcher he doesn't have durability, command, consistency or pitchability to succeed as a starter in the big league.
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Post by jmei on Jan 30, 2014 9:09:09 GMT -5
If Yoon signs an MLB contract, his agent will almost certainly push for a clause that allows him to become a free agent after the end of his first contract rather than subjecting him to the six years of team control. That clause is something many veteran Asian imports have in their contracts (see, e.g., Hiroki Kuroda or Koji Uehara). Tazawa was 21 when he came over and was basically a true prospect, while Yoon turns 28 next year-- he's almost certainly going to want to be a free agent after that initial deal, and he probably has the leverage to get that from the team he signs with. Not really apples to apples here though. Kuroda was 33 when he came over and Koji 34. Yoon is coming over the first year possible to be a full free agent at 27 years old. He is also the youngest free agent pitcher left on the market that won't cost a draft pick. I don't think he has the leverage that Boras is making it out to seem (surprise surprise) because he sustained a serious shoulder injury and had a terrible off year. Reading about this more and more, I am very concerned and I think this will be voiced into contract demands in case he does get hurt... the team can recoup the time and still get value. Yoon is younger than the Japanese pitchers who've signed here as free agents, but he's had nine years of KBO experience and is certainly going to be treated by MLB teams as a veteran free agent and not a prospect. Ryu was even younger when he signed (25), and he got that clause in his contract. Boras is certainly going to push for it, because having it will significantly increase Yoon's lifetime earnings if he proves to be an MLB-caliber talent. I do think he'll have some leverage, especially since he'll presumably have the chance to go back to Korea (or go to Japan) if he doesn't get the MLB offers he wants. If he can get a eight-figure contract, he definitely has the leverage to get early free agency, and it's just a question of whether he can get a team to give that up. Given his youth and upside, I think he'll get something like four years, $14m with the ability to reach free agency at 31. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 30, 2014 9:11:52 GMT -5
paul hoynes
?@hoynsie
#Indians checked out Korean pitcher Suk-Min Yoo early, but the Scott Boras client was looking for too much money.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 30, 2014 9:47:27 GMT -5
Shoulder injuries are no joke for a pitcher. It's hard to remember a pitcher suffering a major shoulder injury and being anything close to his former self. Elbows on the other hand are much less of an issue.
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 30, 2014 12:17:59 GMT -5
@nickcafardo: Scott Boras indicated the Red Sox are one of "many teams" interested in S. Korean pitcher Suk-min Yoon and says "we'll know more in 10 days It doesn't seem like Boras to give a specific timeline... I wonder the significance of the 10 day comment |
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 30, 2014 12:21:30 GMT -5
Shoulder injuries are no joke for a pitcher. It's hard to remember a pitcher suffering a major shoulder injury and being anything close to his former self. Elbows on the other hand are much less of an issue. I agree fully... shoulder injuries are a huge huge concern. Here is a link for others to read if they are interested about the dangers of shoulder problems. www.baseballfarming.com/BaseballInjuries.html A shoulder injury if it will not respond adequately to surgery mending spells doom for a baseball players career. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 30, 2014 12:38:09 GMT -5
@nickcafardo: Scott Boras indicated the Red Sox are one of "many teams" interested in S. Korean pitcher Suk-min Yoon and says "we'll know more in 10 days It doesn't seem like Boras to give a specific timeline... I wonder the significance of the 10 day comment Spring Training starts in ten days for some teams. Maybe Yoon has expressed his desire to sign before camps start. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 3, 2014 13:32:00 GMT -5
This Korean article names the Orioles as the frontrunners for Yoon. The Giants, Cubs, Rangers and Twins are also interested according to the article.
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Post by okin15 on Feb 3, 2014 13:39:15 GMT -5
Can I make a request that all members, and in this particular case, Patrmac do a MUCH better job with quoting? It is impossible to tell where text has been pulled from articles, vs. where opinions are being stated. In addition to being difficult, it's a little bit illegal.
Thanks
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Post by patrmac04 on Feb 3, 2014 15:17:37 GMT -5
Can I make a request that all members, and in this particular case, Patrmac do a MUCH better job with quoting? It is impossible to tell where text has been pulled from articles, vs. where opinions are being stated. In addition to being difficult, it's a little bit illegal. Thanks I make sure that I always quote the original works when I am posting a copy of any information from the internet onto a message board. I have been on many message boards for many years and always do the same thing. I put the link to the article followed by the quoted material. If the mods feel as though I am doing anything illegal or incorrectly, then I am more than willing to change. I have yet to be asked to change, but I'm not a lawyer. That said, I noticed today on MLBTR that the count of clubs went from six interested to five with the Red Sox no longer being mentioned on the list of clubs that have interest. I wonder if this means the Sox are no longer in the running. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/latest-on-suk-min-yoon.html |
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Post by mattpicard on Feb 3, 2014 15:25:10 GMT -5
Can I make a request that all members, and in this particular case, Patrmac do a MUCH better job with quoting? It is impossible to tell where text has been pulled from articles, vs. where opinions are being stated. In addition to being difficult, it's a little bit illegal. Thanks I make sure that I always quote the original works when I am posting a copy of any information from the internet onto a message board. I have been on many message boards for many years and always do the same thing. I put the link to the article followed by the quoted material. If the mods feel as though I am doing anything illegal or incorrectly, then I am more than willing to change. I have yet to be asked to change, but I'm not a lawyer. I see where okin15 is coming from. I recommend using the quote code when posting text from an external page, and follow it immediately with the URL. That cleanly separates your commentary from the linked article. For example, to re-do one of your earlier quotes: www.mlbdailydish.com/2014/1/10/5296998/red-sox-sign-japanese-independent-league-hideyoshi-otake or Daily Dish Link[Personal commentary] |
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Post by patrmac04 on Feb 3, 2014 15:41:21 GMT -5
OK... I edited my posts to have the quoting more clear. Hope this helps
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Post by jmei on Feb 3, 2014 15:45:29 GMT -5
OK... I edited my posts to have the quoting more clear. Hope this helps It helps a lot. Thanks for making the effort. |
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Post by sierram363 on Feb 3, 2014 18:15:24 GMT -5
Yoon suk-min 7K pitching montage
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