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Post by bigpupp on Oct 26, 2014 20:29:57 GMT -5
Awful. I had to read the headline a few times before I could wrap my brain around it. Taveras' girlfriend was also killed in the crash. I saw this as a text on my phone that said "Oscar Taveras dies..." I was trying to figure out what word they shortened that started with dies because there was no way what I was reading could be correct. Sickening news.
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Post by redsox4242 on Oct 26, 2014 20:33:20 GMT -5
RIP Oscar Taveras
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 26, 2014 20:58:32 GMT -5
Horrible. Ugh. Shades of Nick Adenhart. Never gets easier. No it doesn't. All that potential, something we were starting to get a taste of in the playoffs. Just have to feel for his family, the Cardinals, all the people who knew him. Tough.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Oct 29, 2014 16:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 29, 2014 16:57:21 GMT -5
In retrospect this is one of the least surprising moves ever.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 29, 2014 17:28:51 GMT -5
Dude stop stealing my thunder, I came here to say that.
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Post by rangoon82 on Oct 29, 2014 18:29:11 GMT -5
Maddon will manage the Cubs: Are the Rays dying?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2014 19:32:56 GMT -5
Maddon will manage the Cubs: Are the Rays dying? Dead. They were already dying before Friedman or Maddon left. (Also dying: Rays fans. My fiancée is one. She and her family have been feeling all of the feelings over the past couple weeks.)
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 29, 2014 19:46:05 GMT -5
I would like to petition the Rays to move to Brooklyn. It would be awesome to have an AL East team in Brooklyn, given the natural Brooklyn vs. Rest-of-NY rivalry and just the tradition of baseball in Brooklyn in general. ALSO, Brooklyn Rays definitely sounds like the sort of joint that would make a pizza just right.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 30, 2014 13:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 30, 2014 14:01:42 GMT -5
It started too late and ended prematurely, but from 2007 to 2010 Youkilis was a really tremendous player.
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Post by jmei on Oct 30, 2014 20:08:20 GMT -5
It started too late and ended prematurely, but from 2007 to 2010 Youkilis was a really tremendous player. Yeah, it's a shame our lingering memories of him were of a broken-down player, but he was one of the more underrated players of this era. Over that four-year stretch, he was one of the best position players in baseball, but Papi and Manny and Pedroia always got more love from the fans.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 30, 2014 22:24:19 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 31, 2014 14:30:22 GMT -5
It started too late and ended prematurely, but from 2007 to 2010 Youkilis was a really tremendous player. Yeah, it's a shame our lingering memories of him were of a broken-down player, but he was one of the more underrated players of this era. Over that four-year stretch, he was one of the best position players in baseball, but Papi and Manny and Pedroia always got more love from the fans. Agreed totally. Not sure he was really "underrated" though - he finished 3rd for MVP in '08 and then 6th in '09. Both were about right. But he had one of those rare, very strange careers where he had a five-year peak that was borderline Hall of Fame-level and then produced essentially no value outside of that. He was elite in 2009, great in 2010, and then traded for Zach Stewart in 2012.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 31, 2014 19:24:56 GMT -5
I always thought moving over from first to third again didn't help his back. What a player he exceeded expectation because I don't think people thought he could hit HR's.
Youuuuk!
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Post by bentossaurus on Oct 31, 2014 19:45:48 GMT -5
I always thought moving over from first to third again didn't help his back. What a player he exceeded expectation because I don't think people thought he could hit HR's. Youuuuk! This. Always thought this was as big of a downfall on not re-signing Beltré as the absence of Adrian's bat itself.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 31, 2014 23:42:43 GMT -5
I guess Theo has no more excuses he has the "perfect manager" for the Cubs job. This is Theo third one. Theo built a farm system that is stacked with hitters and lacking pitchers right now. He has low payroll. Put it this way he has a blank canvass regarding money. Now around the league people envy him and the Cubs. So there is no more excuses. We'll see what happens to the savior. He may have the best prospects but converting them to successful major leaguers could be a different story. There are teams that are way ahead of them.
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Post by stevedillard on Nov 1, 2014 8:49:20 GMT -5
What's the feeling on Baez? He had great numbers up to AA, good numbers some very good - AAA numbers, especially considering his age. However those troubling AAA numbers, low OBP and huge ks were the exact holes he showed in the majors. Now, he was only 20 and showed the power, but .170 average in 230 at bats is sub-Bradley level. Big caveat that he was 20/21, but I think his first half season has to raise more questions than hopes.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 1, 2014 9:55:00 GMT -5
What's the feeling on Baez? He had great numbers up to AA, good numbers some very good - AAA numbers, especially considering his age. However those troubling AAA numbers, low OBP and huge ks were the exact holes he showed in the majors. Now, he was only 20 and showed the power, but .170 average in 230 at bats is sub-Bradley level. Big caveat that he was 20/21, but I think his first half season has to raise more questions than hopes. He's a freak. He stuck out over 40% of time in the big leagues last year, and a quarter of his hits were home runs. He. Is. Not. Normal. He's the ultimate boom-or-bust player. Massively risky, unlimited upside. No idea what's going to happen to him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 1, 2014 10:00:48 GMT -5
What's the feeling on Baez? He had great numbers up to AA, good numbers some very good - AAA numbers, especially considering his age. However those troubling AAA numbers, low OBP and huge ks were the exact holes he showed in the majors. Now, he was only 20 and showed the power, but .170 average in 230 at bats is sub-Bradley level. Big caveat that he was 20/21, but I think his first half season has to raise more questions than hopes. My take: Baez has such ridiculous power that he could back off on the swing, gain better control of the strike zone, and still hit 30+ home runs while maintaining a .260-.270 average. Whether and when he'll do that are the questions. To call him intense understates it, I believe. At 21 he does have plenty of time to put it all into perspective and I'm sure the Cubs are trying to help him do that. But the raw power and bat speed are incredible, and you can't teach that. You only have to watch him connect with one to be in total awe of the bat.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 1, 2014 10:16:24 GMT -5
There was another kid kind of like young Baez who came up through the Giants system many years ago. Struck out a LOT as a minor leaguer, even began as a 2 way player back in college with a blazing FB.. Dave Kingman. He never backed off his swing and ended up with 400+HR.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 1, 2014 11:57:31 GMT -5
I want no part of Baez (not that any of you have proposed anything). I'd rather watch from afar what happens to him. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY too many strikeouts. We'll see but I don't like his chances.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 1, 2014 12:08:21 GMT -5
I want no part of Baez (not that any of you have proposed anything). I'd rather watch from afar what happens to him. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY too many strikeouts. We'll see but I don't like his chances. Same here. Bryant also strikes out a bunch, so there is that. Frankly, the Cubs prospect I'm most hyped about is Addsion Russell. That was an awful trade by the A's, it reeks of CarGo all over again. Jorge Soler is also a natural. The rest I'm on the fence. And they have zero-ish pitching. We'll see.
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