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Post by mgoetze on Apr 10, 2014 19:17:29 GMT -5
I take back anything good I ever said about Herrera's defense at 3B.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 10, 2014 19:21:17 GMT -5
that's a double play if they are playing straight up. Are these decisions based on the score? 0-0...pitching well..Just not needed.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 10, 2014 19:27:57 GMT -5
God I can't stand that smug look on Ellsbury's face. Want to win this series bad now.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 10, 2014 19:36:25 GMT -5
Jackie wants to tie it up quickly in Yankee stadium. Bad decision but an indicator that he is feeling more and more confident.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 10, 2014 19:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Apr 10, 2014 19:49:38 GMT -5
Bradley would have had that.
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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 10, 2014 19:54:38 GMT -5
Bradley would have had that. I don't think he can make plays on balls in the upper deck bro .
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 10, 2014 20:01:12 GMT -5
It looks like the story of Buchholz's imminent demise were greatly exagerated. He doesn't have the velocity but it looks like he will be fine. I am sure that you are right.......some of the time....but not now. Wow if only we had a pitcher like Pineda! Those predicting a sweep earlier may have tuned into the wrong club....I hope to hell we get a split.
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Post by dd on Apr 10, 2014 20:01:17 GMT -5
If you're going to let guys do it this obviously with no consequences, they should just legalize it.
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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 10, 2014 20:04:58 GMT -5
I'll say it. Clay Buccholz has the talent to be a top ten pitcher every year. He isn't. Why? He simply doesn't care and doesn't take his gift seriously enough. If he did he'd stop hanging changeups to 40 year old SS' s and career minor leaguers.
Contrast him with Lester who isn't as talented as he is but gets on the mound and competes. Lester is discussing a deal with ten figures in it. Buccholz could be discussing such a deal but he won't ever get to.
Clay Buccholz is the most talented pitcher the Sox have produced since Clemens. The talent simply doesn't match the results.
Yes really.
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Post by jmei on Apr 10, 2014 20:10:01 GMT -5
They just showed on YES a before-and-after of Pineda's hand (with and without tar). Evidently he was notified about the issue and cleaned himself up.
The dimensions of this crappy overhyped stadium are awful. That said, Nava crushed that ball and it probably would have been out at Fenway too.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 10, 2014 20:16:41 GMT -5
I'll say it. Clay Buccholz has the talent to be a top ten pitcher every year. He isn't. Why? He simply doesn't care and doesn't take his gift seriously enough. If he did he'd stop hanging changeups to 40 year old SS' s and career minor leaguers. Contrast him with Lester who isn't as talented as he is but gets on the mound and competes. Lester is discussing a deal with ten figures in it. Buccholz could be discussing such a deal but he won't ever get to. Clay Buccholz is the most talented pitcher the Sox have produced since Clemens. The talent simply doesn't match the results. Yes really. Uh, he was a top 10 pitcher before he got injured last year. We would've been fine if Herrera didn't mail it in. 7 hits in 6 innings, 6 K's no walks is pretty good for a 2nd start of the year.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 10, 2014 20:17:21 GMT -5
ok...let's pound the pen.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 10, 2014 20:55:10 GMT -5
I'll say it. Clay Buccholz has the talent to be a top ten pitcher every year. He isn't. Why? He simply doesn't care and doesn't take his gift seriously enough. If he did he'd stop hanging changeups to 40 year old SS' s and career minor leaguers. Contrast him with Lester who isn't as talented as he is but gets on the mound and competes. Lester is discussing a deal with ten figures in it. Buccholz could be discussing such a deal but he won't ever get to. Clay Buccholz is the most talented pitcher the Sox have produced since Clemens. The talent simply doesn't match the results. Yes really. You cant be serious with that sh!t
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 10, 2014 21:01:25 GMT -5
Are you freeking kidding me Bob Davidson? I HATE UMPS
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 10, 2014 21:08:33 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 10, 2014 21:09:17 GMT -5
gutless effort tonight
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 10, 2014 21:19:33 GMT -5
Are you freeking kidding me Bob Davidson? I HATE UMPS And umps aren't even as bad as the refs in the NFL, NBA, or NHL.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 10, 2014 21:19:47 GMT -5
I'll say it. Clay Buccholz has the talent to be a top ten pitcher every year. He isn't. Why? He simply doesn't care and doesn't take his gift seriously enough. If he did he'd stop hanging changeups to 40 year old SS' s and career minor leaguers. Contrast him with Lester who isn't as talented as he is but gets on the mound and competes. Lester is discussing a deal with ten figures in it. Buccholz could be discussing such a deal but he won't ever get to. Clay Buccholz is the most talented pitcher the Sox have produced since Clemens. The talent simply doesn't match the results. Yes really.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 10, 2014 22:13:26 GMT -5
Jeez that blew. Strike zone aside. That's a different game without the Herrera error. Huge in retrospect.
All things considered Buchholz pitched well. Buzzard luck for Papi and a few others, but really, the offense MFYs rolling out there is pathetic. Gotta get em tomorrow.
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Post by njsox on Apr 10, 2014 22:31:53 GMT -5
I'll say it. Clay Buccholz has the talent to be a top ten pitcher every year. He isn't. Why? He simply doesn't care and doesn't take his gift seriously enough. If he did he'd stop hanging changeups to 40 year old SS' s and career minor leaguers. Contrast him with Lester who isn't as talented as he is but gets on the mound and competes. Lester is discussing a deal with ten figures in it. Buccholz could be discussing such a deal but he won't ever get to. Clay Buccholz is the most talented pitcher the Sox have produced since Clemens. The talent simply doesn't match the results. Yes really. You cant be serious with that sh!t I don't understand why Bucholz gets bashed so much for work ethic etc. It frustrates me that he doesn't absolutely domite with his stuff, but he seems to go through stretches with lowered velocity that he struggles with. Though I think he is battling better than he ever has during those times and learning to get through it. I think he is actually proving to have a little grittiness to him, now he just needs some extended health for him to really take it up a notch.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 11, 2014 4:00:27 GMT -5
I could be wrong with this, but Buchholz has always seemed to not put effort into his strength and conditioning program much akin to Doubront. The difference being that our societal perception of skinny people is that they work to be skinny while Doubront is chubby so he's obviously not doing his strength and conditioning program.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 11, 2014 7:15:39 GMT -5
I think the days of the nava/carp/gomes platoon are numbered. Carp barely even plays and gomes/nava isn't really a long term solution in left. Only a matter of time before one of carp or nava is traded. Lets hope its sooner rather than later.
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Post by mwgray13 on Apr 11, 2014 7:34:37 GMT -5
You cant be serious with that sh!t I don't understand why Bucholz gets bashed so much for work ethic etc. It frustrates me that he doesn't absolutely domite with his stuff, but he seems to go through stretches with lowered velocity that he struggles with. Though I think he is battling better than he ever has during those times and learning to get through it. I think he is actually proving to have a little grittiness to him, now he just needs some extended health for him to really take it up a notch. Buchholz's velocity is concerning, but it's early in the year. If by mid May the velocity isn't hitting 90 with regularity, I'm very concerned. As for all this talk about Buchholz's being a top 15 pitcher, that is inaccurate. He is very talented but not an "Ace" because of the lack of durability, and if his velocity doesn't return his stuff won't be elite either. A pitcher can get by for a few games without there top notch stuff, but the league will take notice and adjust. It will typically take a pitcher longer to adjust to lesser stuff. Clay Buchholz is similar to Rich Harden, similar not exactly the same. Both pitchers when they are healthy could be elite, but getting healthy was a project in itself. If you go by career FIP and WAR Harden was more valuable. I'd be willing to revisit this argument at the end of the year to give Buchholz the opportunity to match Harden's career innings. Lester is an "Ace", his stuff is on the lower end of the spectrum for an Ace but people need to remind themselves he goes out for 30+ every season. Fenway is very unfriendly to left handed pitching. That to me, says his numbers don't reflect his ability, as far as SABR are concerned those stats don't remove actual base runners, and extra pitches thrown which limits total innings. This brings me to the contract situation, if Buchholz is worth 20mil, than Lester must be worth 30mil, and Kershaw just got ripped off... Lester should be paid like the best pitcher on this staff, and not as one of the best pitches in the league. Every team should work within their financial means while maintaining the ability to field a competitive team every year. Lackey got/made 83mil for 6 years, Lester should get 108m/6yr or 100m/5yr. If Lester were recieve an offer near those numbers, and really wants to stay in Boston, he would take the deal. No player on any team is worth more than 20 million, or should I say 10.5% of the luxury cap. The Sox refuse to allow anyone the ability to hold them up. For example, youkilis replaced by Middlebrooks, Ellsbury replaced by Bradley, S. Drew replaced by Bogearts, Papelbon replaced by Koji, Bard replaced by Tazawa... Not all are perfect matches but it shows they will move on and go in a different direction if they have to.
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Post by jmei on Apr 11, 2014 9:49:35 GMT -5
Uh, there are plenty of players who are worth $20m. 10% of the luxury tax is nothing, considering you can fill out a lot of the roster with pre-arb and arb guys.
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