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Post by mgoetze on Apr 23, 2014 21:44:56 GMT -5
Holt has been great. Does herrera have options? At the top of the page, click on "40-Man Roster" to find out.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 21:45:57 GMT -5
I think that Brock Holt has earned a roster spot over Herrera at this point. You can always switch back if you need someone to play more SS. Holt has been great. Does herrera have options? Sure - the bus, the train, a friend could pick him up...
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 23, 2014 22:01:40 GMT -5
I'll take it and laugh again at Pineda, but the manager and the defense need to stop giving up outs on both sides of the ball. Especially tomorrow when the margin for error won't be widened by pine tar. Your right. With cc, the issue is a fine bar, not pine tar.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 23, 2014 22:08:58 GMT -5
Hard to understand what Pineda thought he was doing, or why Girardi and the rest of the staff let him do it. Are the Sox supposed to ignore it when it's that blatant? Meanwhile Boone builds a straw man and knocks it down over and over again, as if Pineda's last game never happened. All the blather about how this will be some sort of watershed... the pine tar was thick enough to use as body lotion on an elephant for f***s sake.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 23, 2014 22:11:29 GMT -5
This is great. Hopefully it leads to every pitcher getting called on this nonsense instead of the institutional cheating that is just allowed. Or they just re-work the rulebook to allow foreign substances.
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Post by jmei on Apr 23, 2014 22:12:34 GMT -5
Pineda's press conference post-game interview was surprisingly free of BS. He didn't deny it-- just contritely said he needed it to grip the ball in the cold air so as to avoid hitting someone. A reporter asked him if he knew it was illegal, and he just shrugged and said yeah, but he needed it to grip the ball better.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 23, 2014 22:58:50 GMT -5
Good to see the other team, particularly the Yankees, give away runs on defense. I think the Mays comparison is kind of apt with Jeter. He looked terrible on defense. I'll be happy to see Victorino patrolling RF tomorrow. With him and Bradley that should pretty much fix the OF defense. Hopefully Sizemore can be passable in LF. Meanwhile I hope Marrero can become an acceptable offensive option, because I think before long he'll wind up at SS with Bogaerts moving to 3b. It's pretty obvious how much they miss Drew's defense.
Meanwhile I'm definitely on-board with keeping Holt over Herrera. Holt has a pretty good minor league track record of hitting - kind of reminds me of Jody Reed a little bit in that respect. He's the kind of guy that can step in for a day or a week without making you cringe. Unless Herrera is bunting, he's pretty useless.
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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 24, 2014 2:37:13 GMT -5
Holt has been great. Does herrera have options? At the top of the page, click on "40-Man Roster" to find out. Or I could just say it. Herrera has an option.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 24, 2014 5:13:24 GMT -5
According to a quote by Badenhop that was tweeted by somebody, when Peralta was suspended 8 games a few years ago for the same thing, the Rays had to go the 8 days with a 24 man roster. Wouldn't that be sweet.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 24, 2014 5:35:13 GMT -5
Remember this is Torre's call.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 24, 2014 5:53:08 GMT -5
Yes but according to the MLB report, Torre had called Cashman to insure it wouldn't happen. It happened anyways, that can't be good.
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Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 9h
Will Middlebrooks isn't sure if he's playing at Fenway Park or McCoy Stadium on Thursday. He does know he's flying to Toronto with the team.
Interesting early pythag stat...
We're 2.5 games behind the MFY yet both teams have allowed 92 runs and we've only scored 1 less, 84 to 85.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 24, 2014 6:58:00 GMT -5
After the way things ended, I'm thinking that Torre"s call is actually bad news for the yanks.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 24, 2014 7:16:19 GMT -5
This is great. Hopefully it leads to every pitcher getting called on this nonsense instead of the institutional cheating that is just allowed. Or they just re-work the rulebook to allow foreign substances. I'm confused. Everyone uses pine tar or some sort of illegal substance to grip the ball, everyone knows this, and everyone is fine with it. But being obvious about it is unacceptable. But everyone knows that everyone does it and that's fine. But don't let anyone know you're doing it. Is that about right? Baseball's unwritten rules are unfathomably stupid.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2014 8:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 24, 2014 8:21:27 GMT -5
This is great. Hopefully it leads to every pitcher getting called on this nonsense instead of the institutional cheating that is just allowed. Or they just re-work the rulebook to allow foreign substances. I'm confused. Everyone uses pine tar or some sort of illegal substance to grip the ball, everyone knows this, and everyone is fine with it. But being obvious about it is unacceptable. But everyone knows that everyone does it and that's fine. But don't let anyone know you're doing it. Is that about right? Baseball's unwritten rules are unfathomably stupid. Shhh, everyone knows it but you aren't allowed to say it so obviously in a post. A better idea would be to do what the Japanese do. Rather than rubbing in mud they spray all the game balls with a lightly tacky substance. No bumps, no flight alterations. Everyone is on an equal footing.
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 24, 2014 10:43:20 GMT -5
First of all, every single pitcher used some type of substance? Every one? I'm not buying it. If you can't throw a strike in the cool air w/o some foreign substance, maybe your control is just whack. Personally I'd love to see foreign substances banned for pitchers. The K rates baseball are seeing nowadays are abnormally high, here's one way to solve that problem. And you wanted better grip on the ball? There's the coverup way of saying "I wanted a filthy 12-6 drop".
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2014 10:49:57 GMT -5
First of all, every single pitcher used some type of substance? Every one? I'm not buying it. If you can't throw a strike in the cool air w/o some foreign substance, maybe your control is just whack. Personally I'd love to see foreign substances banned for pitchers. The K rates baseball are seeing nowadays are abnormally high, here's one way to solve that problem. And you wanted better grip on the ball? There's the coverup way of saying "I wanted a filthy 12-6 drop". The better way to solve the K problem is to call the actual strike zone against lefties instead of giving an extra 4 inches, making it really difficult for lefties to hit. Look at all of these called strikes outside of the actual strike zone.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 24, 2014 11:41:32 GMT -5
^Which is weird because righties (21.5 K%) strike out more than lefties(20.1 K%), at least so far this season. Plus, right-handed hitters have the same crappy zone except they have to deal with it on both sides of the plate. It would be interesting to see a heatmap of where hitters stand in the batters box (do lefties stand closer to account for the extended zone away?) It is truly absurd that the only reason players like Pineda get called on this stuff is when they're absolutely blatant about it. The institution of baseball doesn't care as long as you're discreet. Didn't we just do this whole cheating thing with steroids? There should be random checks at the very least to ensure pitchers aren't doctoring the ball. Every other sport does it. In hockey, they randomly check the goalie equipment and the curves of sticks. In football they do the same by checking if players have radios, or illegal substances on their jerseys. I don't know about basketball but there isn't really any way to doctor the equipment to your advantage except to install deadzones on the parquet floor or something. Or maybe install some sort of machinery on the goalpost that the hometeam can adjust by radio to resonate the rims slightly (I hope teams are doing this, actually).
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 24, 2014 11:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 24, 2014 12:02:13 GMT -5
This is great. Hopefully it leads to every pitcher getting called on this nonsense instead of the institutional cheating that is just allowed. Or they just re-work the rulebook to allow foreign substances. I'm confused. Everyone uses pine tar or some sort of illegal substance to grip the ball, everyone knows this, and everyone is fine with it. But being obvious about it is unacceptable. But everyone knows that everyone does it and that's fine. But don't let anyone know you're doing it. Is that about right? Baseball's unwritten rules are unfathomably stupid. Couldn't agree with you more. "It's all right to cheat, just be smart about it and don't get caught"...ergo the crime was being stupid. This was echoed in the Yankee TV post-game by 6 separate commentators.....and I loved Girardi's comments...."I didn't see it!"....Wait isn't the Yankee dugout facing the side of Pineda's neck with the pine tar? A reporter asked him if he had seen it, would he have gone out and rubbed it off....Joe stumbled around for an answer and finally said "Probably not because I wouldn't want to embarass him"....Joe could you please be a bit less disingenuous? At least Cashman was forthright saying that it was an embarssament for the Yankee organization and all parties needed to accept responsibility....errr Joe? That means you too.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2014 12:33:08 GMT -5
The other part comes in 4-5 years.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2014 12:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Apr 24, 2014 13:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 24, 2014 13:20:10 GMT -5
At the top of the page, click on "40-Man Roster" to find out. Or I could just say it. Herrera has an option. Thanks!
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 24, 2014 14:53:49 GMT -5
Pedroia 2B; Victorino RF; Ortiz DH; Napoli 1B; Gomes LF; Bogaerts SS; Holt 3B; Ross C; Bradley CF; Doubront P
At this point the only explanation for Bogaerts' spot in the lineup is superstition. Come to think of it that explains Victorino's spot rather well also.
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