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Post by mattpicard on Apr 23, 2014 11:23:45 GMT -5
Sounding like it will indeed be Wilson coming up tonight. EDIT: Anddd Speier has confirmed Nava is being optioned to AAA.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 23, 2014 12:03:04 GMT -5
Sounding like it will indeed be Wilson coming up tonight. EDIT: Anddd Speier has confirmed Nava is being optioned to AAA. So, you're boycotting the season then? Sarasoxer, you might want to check that out too. I'm only crowing about this because of how much $hit# I got when I suggested this might happen. It's circumstantial, sure, but it's happening now. Let's understand that and try not to make definitive statements again when we have no effing clue.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 23, 2014 12:06:33 GMT -5
There is no need for a team to carry 13 pitchers on a 25-man roster. This isn't just Alex Wilson over Nava, it's bringing him in over Victorino, too. Even if it's just for a day, that's silly. If his bullpen was so depleted last night, then Farrell should have left Capuano in to finish the game. He'd have a fresh Mujica and Tazawa today. This is madness.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 23, 2014 12:08:36 GMT -5
There is no need for a team to carry 13 pitchers on a 25-man roster. This isn't just Alex Wilson over Nava, it's bringing him in over Victorino, too. Even if it's just for a day, that's silly. If his bullpen was so depleted last night, then Farrell should have left Capuano in to finish the game. He'd have a fresh Mujica and Tazawa today. This is madness. Shane had a horrible game yesterday. I think another game with the paw sox is fine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by nmacny on Apr 23, 2014 12:12:45 GMT -5
Does anyone have any insight into why Wilson over Britton? Is it because they're more apt to run Wilson out there for multiple innings in a mop-up role? Or they don't want Britton pitching on back-to-back days?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 12:13:47 GMT -5
There is no need for a team to carry 13 pitchers on a 25-man roster. This isn't just Alex Wilson over Nava, it's bringing him in over Victorino, too. Even if it's just for a day, that's silly. If his bullpen was so depleted last night, then Farrell should have left Capuano in to finish the game. He'd have a fresh Mujica and Tazawa today. This is madness. Shane had a horrible game yesterday. I think another game with the paw sox is fine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VIctorino's probably good for 100 games at best this year given his injury history and age. I don't want use them up in AAA, esp if he can save runs at MLB level now and the guy going down is .149/.240/.360
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 23, 2014 12:42:15 GMT -5
Sounding like it will indeed be Wilson coming up tonight. EDIT: Anddd Speier has confirmed Nava is being optioned to AAA. So, you're boycotting the season then? Sarasoxer, you might want to check that out too. I'm only crowing about this because of how much $hit# I got when I suggested this might happen. It's circumstantial, sure, but it's happening now. Let's understand that and try not to make definitive statements again when we have no effing clue. Shoot. Are you gonna make me follow through with that? Would you like to pick an avy for me? In all seriousness, I am pretty upset about this. I fully understand why we're doing it given our current position, but barring a highly discouraging AAA performance, I hope to see him back up soon. I don't doubt for a second that Nava is still a .350+ OBP guy (but he really needs to only play vs. RHP's!) and, obviously, a far better defender than Gomes and Carp. This team would be markedly better with Nava and a Denorfia/Young/Gentry type instead of Gomes and Carp, whether Victorino's healthy or not.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 23, 2014 12:51:57 GMT -5
The Red Sox need an extra pitcher because all those extra fly balls that fall in for hits will knock John Lackey out early.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 23, 2014 12:59:09 GMT -5
The manager really put the team in a bind yesterday. Even if it's just one game. 13 pitchers on a team with a DH only player shouldn't be allowed to happen. Yikes. Maybe the rain will get worse.
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Post by jmei on Apr 23, 2014 13:06:24 GMT -5
Does anyone have any insight into why Wilson over Britton? Is it because they're more apt to run Wilson out there for multiple innings in a mop-up role? Or they don't want Britton pitching on back-to-back days? A combination of both-- they need a guy capable of going multiple innings tonight, and Britton pitched last night. They aren't opposed to Britton pitching multiple innings in the abstract (three of his eight appearances in Pawtucket this year have been for longer than one inning), but it would be tough to ask him to go two or three innings tonight when he threw an inning last night (all of his previous inning+ stints came with at least one day off).
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 13:17:33 GMT -5
Britton also having a bit of trouble with his control.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 13:36:12 GMT -5
Wait a second - Cherrington gave Pierzynski $8M guaranteed!?! On what planet was a 38 year old catcher with negative defensive metrics and a crap approach at the plate worth that!? He may have had some pop in Texas last year but Pokey Reese would hit 10 HRs a year in that park; outlier - and AJs a year older! I thought this was a $5M deal (already calculating suck costs on a DFA). Ridiculous. I would take my chances with Butler over this steaming pile any day! Even more crabby now, if that's possible.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 23, 2014 13:56:14 GMT -5
8 million dollars isn't much for someone who will probably be league average at catcher by the end of the season. His game is ugly but he's fine.
He hit 27 HR two years ago. How is his 17 HR season an outlier?
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 23, 2014 14:05:08 GMT -5
Sizemore RF Pedroia 2B Ortiz DH Napoli 1B Carp LF Pierzynski C Bogaerts SS Holt 3B Bradley Jr. CF
Lackey RHP.
AJP hitting sixth is disgusting. I see why he's there with that lineup construction, but the point stands.
EDIT: How would this lineup not be better with Holt at leadoff, Sizemore sixth, and AJP eighth?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 23, 2014 14:06:39 GMT -5
Not to belabor the point (ok, entirely to belabor the point), but everyone look at that lineup and remind themselves that the Red Sox needed Alex Wilson over Shane Victorino tonight.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 14:34:55 GMT -5
Not to belabor the point (ok, entirely to belabor the point), but everyone look at that lineup and remind themselves that the Red Sox needed Alex Wilson over Shane Victorino tonight. Defensive inefficiency is the new undervalued metric.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 14:37:03 GMT -5
Sizemore RF Pedroia 2B Ortiz DH Napoli 1B Carp LF Pierzynski C Bogaerts SS Holt 3B Bradley Jr. CF Lackey RHP. AJP hitting sixth is disgusting. I see why he's there with that lineup construction, but the point stands. EDIT: How would this lineup not be better with Holt at leadoff, Sizemore sixth, and AJP eighth? Moving AJ down from the 6-hole would be a violation of MLB's new "Designated Rally Killer in the Top 2/3s of the Line-Up" rule, which helps them speed-up games.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 23, 2014 14:37:36 GMT -5
Eh, that lineup is still good enough. Lots of lefties going against Pineda. And Victorino can come back against a lefty.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 14:45:16 GMT -5
8 million dollars isn't much for someone who will probably be league average at catcher by the end of the season. His game is ugly but he's fine. He hit 27 HR two years ago. How is his 17 HR season an outlier? Because before the 27 HR year - an aberrant career high - he didn't hit more than 14 since 2007. 17 the following year came at Texas. Both parks have outsized park effects for HRs. He's also older now, his skills are in decline and he's playing 81 games in a park that has a significantly smaller park effect for HRs than the there two he called home. Besides which, the catcher's primary job in the current game is receiving the ball and preventing runs through defense. He is substandard in both of those tasks and his offensive skill set does not compensate for that. Let me put it this way - if he was a Yankee or a Ray or an Oriole I would be his biggest fan.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 23, 2014 14:55:38 GMT -5
Look around the majors, he's an average catcher.
Arlington was 19th in HR park effect in 2013.
Where is that cool tool where you can overlay a players hits onto other stadiums? Can't find it online.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 23, 2014 14:59:54 GMT -5
Sizemore RF
Now there is the real problem (and reason why Nava's trip south may be a long one).
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 23, 2014 15:01:49 GMT -5
Sizemore is pretty terrible. I guess I'd give him another 200 atbats just to be sure, though.
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Post by godot on Apr 23, 2014 15:08:48 GMT -5
8 million dollars isn't much for someone who will probably be league average at catcher by the end of the season. His game is ugly but he's fine. He hit 27 HR two years ago. How is his 17 HR season an outlier? Because before the 27 HR year - an aberrant career high - he didn't hit more than 14 since 2007. 17 the following year came at Texas. Both parks have outsized park effects for HRs. He's also older now, his skills are in decline and he's playing 81 games in a park that has a significantly smaller park effect for HRs than the there two he called home. Besides which, the catcher's primary job in the current game is receiving the ball and preventing runs through defense. He is substandard in both of those tasks and his offensive skill set does not compensate for that. Let me put it this way - if he was a Yankee or a Ray or an Oriole I would be his biggest fan. What he said, and he was correcto about the off seasons decisions making the team worse. I do not know if they were baseball decisions or business ( payroll and JH's one man battle against salary explosions). Mariners have been screwed because business people rule. Seems the Sox's decisions they were more business as they surely could not think that they could seamlessly transition with Bradley, X-Man and A.J, and they haven't. But spilled milk. It is laudable that JH is fighting the salary mania, but it is a business and be prepared to deal with the consequences. Do wan to compete then you snooze and lose. ( Ben does want JH wants) Just hope they are right about Middlebrooks and X -Man's ability to play short, while learning the ropes about hitting. Good night Irene.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 23, 2014 15:13:12 GMT -5
Look around the majors, he's an average catcher. Looking at the last 3 years Pierzynski is in the bottom 1/3 of MLB catchers by WAR: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0Average WAR of those 21 qualified catchers is 7.94. Pierzynski comes in at 6.1 and that figure contained a career year for HRs. He is decidedly not average but below the mean. The catcher ranked directly beneath him in that time period, Chris Ianetta, is being paid $5.5M a year. The catcher directly above him, AJ Ellis, makes $3.3M per year. Both are substantially younger than him. This is just a bad get and a substantial overpay all the way around. I never wish for someone to get injured so I am hoping Pierzynski has a sudden revelation that moves him to retire on the spot. Before 5 p.m. today would be good so Butler can get to the park for first pitch. That or he funks a PED test. Same time-frame please
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 23, 2014 15:21:56 GMT -5
That's slightly misleading, because there are only 21 qualified catchers, but 30 teams. If you filter for >800 PAs, rather than qualified players, Pierzynski is 16th of 30.
I didn't love the signing either, though. My thought was that if they were going to move on from Saltalamacchia, they should either a) go big or b) go cheap and allocate those resources elsewhere. Saltalamacchia to Pierzynski really did seem like a lateral move at best. I'm skeptical Butler is an upgrade, though. I think the best fix is just to play David Ross more.
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