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Post by jrffam05 on May 12, 2014 11:33:36 GMT -5
So the last Jon Denney thread was locked (rightfully so), and I am just looking for if there was any update with where he is at. Not asking for any speculation or what his character is or w/e.. Just a prospect I like and wondering if he is playing anywhere, under discipline, or what not.
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Post by 111soxfan111 on May 12, 2014 11:56:47 GMT -5
Here's what Cherington said following the incident. “At this point, we’re putting together a program for Jon to address things we feel he needs to address,” Cherington said. “That will likely mean he’s not on the field for a while. Beyond that, I can’t say anything more than that at this time. We certainly take the incident seriously. And as we would with any other player, we’re trying to address his needs and help him in any way we can. But certainly, he has some work to do.” nesn.com/2014/03/ben-cherington-red-sox-prospect-jon-denney-will-enter-program-after-arrest/It's only been 2 months so not surprising he's still away.
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Post by garnotte12 on May 14, 2014 12:35:13 GMT -5
I need an explanation from Soxprospects.com or anyone else... How can Denney gone up 6 spots in the 21-60 prospect rankings from 56 to 50 while he's nowhere to be found since his arrest during spring training???
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Post by oilcansman on May 14, 2014 12:57:47 GMT -5
I need an explanation from Soxprospects.com or anyone else... How can Denney gone up 6 spots in the 21-60 prospect rankings from 56 to 50 while he's nowhere to be found since his arrest during spring training??? Because he was a third round draft choice last year and most people here thought it was a great pick at the time. Not much positive has happened since the draft.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 14, 2014 20:25:35 GMT -5
I need an explanation from Soxprospects.com or anyone else... How can Denney gone up 6 spots in the 21-60 prospect rankings from 56 to 50 while he's nowhere to be found since his arrest during spring training??? Looking at Dick's rankings updates, that might just be a typo, to be honest.
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Post by dd on May 14, 2014 23:08:14 GMT -5
I need an explanation from Soxprospects.com or anyone else... How can Denney gone up 6 spots in the 21-60 prospect rankings from 56 to 50 while he's nowhere to be found since his arrest during spring training??? Looking at Dick's rankings updates, that might just be a typo, to be honest. Well, maybe, that's been known to happen. He is ranked # 50 now. By my records he's gone up 7 since 4/18. Of course that doesn't imply he did anything to earn that. He and other players may just have been re-evaluated bumping Denney up by default. Here's what I've got for him this year: 1/24 - 32 3/21 - 50 3/28 - 56 4/04 - 56 4/11 - 56 4/18 - 57 4/25 - 53 5/02 - 50 5/09 - 50
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Post by garnotte12 on May 16, 2014 23:31:38 GMT -5
I need an explanation from Soxprospects.com or anyone else... How can Denney gone up 6 spots in the 21-60 prospect rankings from 56 to 50 while he's nowhere to be found since his arrest during spring training??? Because he was a third round draft choice last year and most people here thought it was a great pick at the time. Not much positive has happened since the draft. I don't think its a logical answer. True he had great hype when drafted but since he's ranked 50th, 57th or something like that, since he's not playing, he should not move up...that's all. Thanks gentlemen.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 17, 2014 6:04:40 GMT -5
Because he was a third round draft choice last year and most people here thought it was a great pick at the time. Not much positive has happened since the draft. I don't think its a logical answer. True he had great hype when drafted but since he's ranked 50th, 57th or something like that, since he's not playing, he should not move up...that's all. Thanks gentlemen. Or perhaps it is just that those around him moved down and his status stayed exactly the same? Either way, rankings that late aren't really worth harping on. For most of those guys there is just not a very clear difference in prospect status. In some cases there just isn't very much info on the players yet. In other cases its comparing apples to oranges (DSL position player vs. high minors reliever). Occasionally the brass gets together and talk these things through. A slight change in gut feel could cause a jump like that.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 17, 2014 6:44:17 GMT -5
Given his uncertain status as a player, perhaps it may be time to move Denney out of the rankings all together. Hopefully the scouting dept does more in depth background checks of potential draftees in the upcoming draft. While hind sight is 20 20, the fact that Denney's problems surfaced within a year of being drafted is a concern.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 9, 2014 22:27:15 GMT -5
Is Denny going to play at all this season? What exactly is he doing? I know they are keeping him away from baseball activities but is he really going to lose a whole year of development?
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Post by nothingball on Jun 12, 2014 17:55:34 GMT -5
Kukuk and Britton played at the very end of their offending seasons. However, i'd say he is a non-prospect until he statistically gives us a reason to think otherwise.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2014 8:38:39 GMT -5
Despite not playing, I do think he's more a prospect than Tzu-Wei Lin and should be ranked accordingly. Denny isn't ranked because he isn't playing, but Ball is 13 despite having a 7+ ERA in Greenville? Ball is showing nothing on the field is that much more important than Denny showing nothing off of it? It's not like Ball has any sort of track record.
By the way, I agree with the Ball rating in case anyone thinks I'm bagging on it. He has much more potential than most guys in our system.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 13, 2014 8:58:21 GMT -5
Ball is showing nothing on the field is that much more important than Denny showing nothing off of it? . In an extreme case like this? Yes. If he's such a disaster off the field that he can't get on it, then he's less of a prospect than someone physically talented who is struggling.
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Post by elguapo on Jun 13, 2014 9:36:57 GMT -5
Lost development time is also a significant issue at this stage in Denney's career.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2014 13:19:24 GMT -5
Ball is showing nothing on the field is that much more important than Denny showing nothing off of it? . In an extreme case like this? Yes. If he's such a disaster off the field that he can't get on it, then he's less of a prospect than someone physically talented who is struggling. Well, he is a punk kid who has to grow up. That much is true. The first time I see it as a kid who didn't know how to handle being handed money and some semblance of fame all at once. The second time is a bigger issue to me. He's being punished (and rightfully so) and I believe is working out at XST, no? It's not like Denny isn't physically gifted himself and he's playing a premier position. I don't know how much a guy with a 7+ ERA and a 2.00 WHIP is learning other than learning how to cope with failure. Maybe it's me just being naive and not seeing between the lines that the Sox might be telling him to throw his weaker offerings more often and in certain counts and to focus on certain areas to make him a more complete pitcher which is causing his numbers to inflate. Maybe. I just think the physical gifts of Denny alone make him a top 50 prospect. Again, I'm a Trey Ball guy. I loved this pick and have faith in him figuring it out.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 13, 2014 13:41:09 GMT -5
Go back and read the Trey Ball thread (pretty sure it's in there. There's a fairly recent post about the things Ball is working on and why the team is happy with his work.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 8:02:32 GMT -5
Jon Denney has been placed back on the restricted list. I would not expect to see Denney again this year.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2014 8:14:22 GMT -5
Jon Denney has been placed back on the restricted list. I would not expect to see Denney again this year. Any reason as to why?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 8:36:22 GMT -5
I know no specifics. Generally, in a situation where a player is suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, one can assume that his conduct has not sufficiently changed, despite the "program" put together by the Red Sox to "assist" Jon. Some folks are just not cut out to be part of an organization, and I suspect Jon is one of those people.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 22, 2014 8:40:07 GMT -5
Amfox, any guess as to whether he's given another shot in the spring to show that he now "gets it"?
Assuming no, or he doesn't, is the bonus $$ gone? Or are there remedies the team could pursue in this case? He pulls this shit before ever taking the field, it would seem like a case where they may have remedies, if they want to pursue it.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 8:45:48 GMT -5
Amfox, any guess as to whether he's given another shot in the spring to show that he now "gets it"? Assuming no, or he doesn't, is the bonus $$ gone? Or are there remedies the team could pursue in this case? He pulls this shit before ever taking the field, it would seem like a case where they may have remedies, if they want to pursue it. I have no idea. I have no inside information. I assume some reporter will ask the relevant questions and we'll hear about it at some point. Usually, situations like this don't end well for the organization. As to the bonus, it's gone. It's a risk of drafting 18-year olds and paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some have the maturity to handle it and some don't. I would just write Denney off your mental prospect list until he proves he deserves otherwise. edit: Denney did play last year in GCL.
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Post by jdb on Jul 22, 2014 8:49:33 GMT -5
Hopefully he can get get his life back in order like Even Gattis.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 8:52:33 GMT -5
Chris Hatfield ? Chris Hatfield 8m The Red Sox have placed Jon Denney back on the Restricted List. One gets the feeling that it's just not going to happen there. Chris Hatfield ? Chris Hatfield 5m Scouting saying is that makeup is the hardest thing to scout. Looks like this might be case where that proved true. Chris Hatfield ? Chris Hatfield 4m As far as we've heard there wasn't necessarily one particular incident that led to this decision.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 22, 2014 8:54:31 GMT -5
My thought is he is likely done with the organization. If he did not get it after the spring training incident he will never get it. Time to cut your losses and move on.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 8:55:37 GMT -5
My thought is he is likely done with the organization. If he did not get it after the spring training incident he will never get it. Time to cut your losses and move on. Yup, may as well make an example of him too, for any other big bonus kids near him. It can end at any time.
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