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Battle for top 11 (protected) draft picks in 2015 draft
alnipper
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Post by alnipper on Sept 28, 2014 19:43:57 GMT -5
I just hope we draft the best player available we can sign. If it's a college bat that will move through our system quickly is even better. Are there any left-handed hitting sluggers in college?
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Post by azblue on Sept 28, 2014 20:19:22 GMT -5
1. Diamondbacks 2. Astros (for failure to sign 2014 No. 1 overall pick Brady Aiken) 3. Rockies 4. Rangers 5. Astros 6. Twins 7. Red Sox 8. White Sox 9. Cubs 10. Phillies 11. Reds 12. Marlins 13. Padres 14. Rays 15. Mets 16. Braves 17. Brewers 18. Blue Jays 19. Yankees 20. Indians 21. Mariners 22. Giants 23. Pirates 24. Athletics 25. Royals 26. Tigers 27. Cardinals 28. Dodgers 29. Orioles 30. Nationals 31. Angels
Here’s Compensation Round A, which follows the first round. Unlike regular draft picks, Compensation Round picks can be traded.
32. Marlins 33. Rockies 34. Cardinals 35. Brewers 36. Padres 37. Indians
The Reds, Red Sox (from the Athletics), Mariners, Twins, Orioles and Diamondbacks, respectively, own picks in Comp Round B, which will come after the second round.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 28, 2014 20:19:52 GMT -5
I agree, I lot is going to change over the next nine months, but someone is going to fall to us.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 28, 2014 20:28:16 GMT -5
So we should draft 7, 45 or so will be forfeited, 71 or so from A's and 80 or so in 3rd round.
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Post by azblue on Sept 28, 2014 20:37:48 GMT -5
Add Mac Marshall to the likely first round selections in the 2015 draft. Lefthander Marshall, a freshman at Louisiana State, has left the program, according to a release from the school. He’ll transfer to Chipola (Fla.) JC, as first reported by the Baton Rouge (La.) Advocate.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 29, 2014 0:15:09 GMT -5
So we should draft 7, 45 or so will be forfeited, 71 or so from A's and 80 or so in 3rd round. It would be 45 if only two FA's who get QO's sign with another club. Has anyone compiled a list of likely guys? And I'll bet against us signing such a FA and hence forfeiting that pick. They're on record as saying they'll acquire only one SP (which I think makes sense), and re-signing Lester or trading for Hamels seem to be far and away the two best options. And I'd also bet against them signing a 3B of that caliber, which I think is a terrible idea.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 29, 2014 0:29:08 GMT -5
So we should draft 7, 45 or so will be forfeited, 71 or so from A's and 80 or so in 3rd round. It would be 45 if only two FA's who get QO's sign with another club. Has anyone compiled a list of likely guys? And I'll bet against us signing such a FA and hence forfeiting that pick. They're on record as saying they'll acquire only one SP (which I think makes sense), and re-signing Lester or trading for Hamels seem to be far and away the two best options. And I'd also bet against them signing a 3B of that caliber, which I think is a terrible idea. I'm with you there. Have said multiple times here prefer to approach the Marlins regarding any of their SP, or attempt to strike a deal with Lester. Barring that there is Latos at Cincy and San Diego with Ross and Cashner.
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Post by juniorp90 on Sept 29, 2014 9:09:43 GMT -5
I just hope we draft the best player available we can sign. If it's a college bat that will move through our system quickly is even better. Are there any left-handed hitting sluggers in college? Yes!! I would say one of the best bats available in college today is left-handed and OF, DJ Stewart, solid contact, line drive hitter that can generate enough power. Keeping the distance and range of power, reminds me of Kyle Schwarber Cubs. And I think it would be ideal for the Redsox, if not he should go for a college power pitcher.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 29, 2014 10:24:28 GMT -5
I guess its time to open the regular 2015 draft thread since the battle for a protected pick is over.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 29, 2014 11:29:25 GMT -5
Here’s Compensation Round A, which follows the first round. Unlike regular draft picks, Compensation Round picks can be traded. 32. Marlins 33. Rockies 34. Cardinals 35. Brewers 36. Padres 37. IndiansThe Reds, Red Sox (from the Athletics), Mariners, Twins, Orioles and Diamondbacks, respectively, own picks in Comp Round B, which will come after the second round. These could (should?) be trade targets during the offseason, trading some of our International FA budget for some of these picks. Even if we end paying $1.50 on the dollar, it's better than letting it rot. We sign a few guys under the $250k limit and trade the rest for those draft picks.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 29, 2014 12:16:28 GMT -5
Here’s Compensation Round A, which follows the first round. Unlike regular draft picks, Compensation Round picks can be traded. 32. Marlins 33. Rockies 34. Cardinals 35. Brewers 36. Padres 37. IndiansThe Reds, Red Sox (from the Athletics), Mariners, Twins, Orioles and Diamondbacks, respectively, own picks in Comp Round B, which will come after the second round. These could (should?) be trade targets during the offseason, trading some of our International FA budget for some of these picks. Even if we end paying $1.50 on the dollar, it's better than letting it rot. We sign a few guys under the $250k limit and trade the rest for those draft picks. I like your thinking! I, for the life of me, can't understand WHY teams can't trade all draft picks. Its like organizations are immature and have no common sense and "dad" needs to keep them in line or they may do something foolish.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 29, 2014 16:03:57 GMT -5
These could (should?) be trade targets during the offseason, trading some of our International FA budget for some of these picks. Even if we end paying $1.50 on the dollar, it's better than letting it rot. We sign a few guys under the $250k limit and trade the rest for those draft picks. I like your thinking! I, for the life of me, can't understand WHY teams can't trade all draft picks. Its like organizations are immature and have no common sense and "dad" needs to keep them in line or they may do something foolish. Actually something teams like NYY could target in the future who habitually sign FA and lose their 1st round picks. Wonder if the Yanks Will go out and do the same this off season with the #19 overall? Highest they have had in several years.
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Post by redsox1534 on Sept 29, 2014 18:40:17 GMT -5
So excited for the offseason! And the 2015 season to begin!
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 29, 2014 22:04:07 GMT -5
Can we start one of these threads for the Patriots?
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Post by kingofthetrill on Sept 29, 2014 22:40:08 GMT -5
Whether you are going to be good, or going to be bad, you need to be the best at either. So if you are not going to win the World Series, or make the playoffs, you might as well be one of the worst teams in the league, especially if you are a team like the Red Sox that uses the draft more than other teams.
In that notion, I'm happy with the Red Sox the past few years, nabbing multiple #7 draft picks and a World Series Title. In my opinion, the worst place you can be is in the middle, whereby you miss out on the playoffs and miss out on a protected draft pick.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 2, 2014 12:10:57 GMT -5
Whether you are going to be good, or going to be bad, you need to be the best at either. So if you are not going to win the World Series, or make the playoffs, you might as well be one of the worst teams in the league, especially if you are a team like the Red Sox that uses the draft more than other teams. In that notion, I'm happy with the Red Sox the past few years, nabbing multiple #7 draft picks and a World Series Title. In my opinion, the worst place you can be is in the middle, whereby you miss out on the playoffs and miss out on a protected draft pick. I think thats more true for the NBA than the MLB. There are still a lot of good players in the middle, and the draft pick is only forfeited to the QO guys.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Oct 2, 2014 14:36:07 GMT -5
I think thats more true for the NBA than the MLB. There are still a lot of good players in the middle, and the draft pick is only forfeited to the QO guys. I vehemently disagree. Note that in the NBA, you can trade draft picks (not just competitive balance ones), and the lottery means that there isn't a perfect correlation between doing poorly and having the best draft pick. My point is that it's either win the World Series, or don't. If you don't win the World Series, then you might as well have the top draft pick. Getting in 2nd place is being the first loser. It's better to be really good and really bad than it is to finish in the middle. The draft picks between the protected picks, and the spots where you have a chance to win the WS (playoffs) is a place called no-man's land. Never finish there.
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Post by jrffam05 on Oct 2, 2014 14:50:16 GMT -5
I think thats more true for the NBA than the MLB. There are still a lot of good players in the middle, and the draft pick is only forfeited to the QO guys. I vehemently disagree. Note that in the NBA, you can trade draft picks (not just competitive balance ones), and the lottery means that there isn't a perfect correlation between doing poorly and having the best draft pick. My point is that it's either win the World Series, or don't. If you don't win the World Series, then you might as well have the top draft pick. Getting in 2nd place is being the first loser. It's better to be really good and really bad than it is to finish in the middle. The draft picks between the protected picks, and the spots where you have a chance to win the WS (playoffs) is a place called no-man's land. Never finish there. Love it, let's get this printed up and plastered all over Fenway park. Baseball is a little different than other sports. The regular season is a long marathon and the playoffs are a crab shoot. I agree with you that I would rather get a good draft pick instead of finishing in the middle, but I don't think it is WS or bust. You hHave to play for the division, with the wildcard as the backup, if you realistically can't make the wildcard it is time to sell. Once you make the playoffs anything could happen.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 2, 2014 17:44:15 GMT -5
Whether you are going to be good, or going to be bad, you need to be the best at either. So if you are not going to win the World Series, or make the playoffs, you might as well be one of the worst teams in the league, especially if you are a team like the Red Sox that uses the draft more than other teams. In that notion, I'm happy with the Red Sox the past few years, nabbing multiple #7 draft picks and a World Series Title. In my opinion, the worst place you can be is in the middle, whereby you miss out on the playoffs and miss out on a protected draft pick. I think thats more true for the NBA than the MLB. There are still a lot of good players in the middle, and the draft pick is only forfeited to the QO guys. Giving up a #12 overall to sign a free agent is a way bigger deal than giving up a #41. So when you're the Red Sox, having a protected pick is a huge deal.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 2, 2014 19:04:37 GMT -5
I think thats more true for the NBA than the MLB. There are still a lot of good players in the middle, and the draft pick is only forfeited to the QO guys. Giving up a #12 overall to sign a free agent is a way bigger deal than giving up a #41. So when you're the Red Sox, having a protected pick is a huge deal. I don't disagree with you at all, I just think getting a pick in the 15-25 range isnt so bad if it means your young guys are making strides. Now if you're an aging team with multiple bad contracts, like the Yanks... Thats a whole other story.
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Post by tonyc on Oct 2, 2014 22:47:11 GMT -5
In terms of winning a world series or getting a better draft pick, yes I suppose the middle ground has a disadvantage- and I too was rooting against the 'sox late in the year, selectively, for the draft pick. But the thought that either you win the series or you don't? How jaded have we become? I can remember the late '60's- early 70's when Baltimore had some of the best teams ever and the Sox had no chance whatsoever..and yet I was thrilled just to have them finish .540 as they usually did, and bang some home runs and just enjoyed the players they had. Art Martone in the Providence Journal in the late '90's, when some readers were frustrated about the Yankees dominance commented that the "sox are perfect for us."
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Post by kman22 on Oct 2, 2014 22:56:02 GMT -5
I think thats more true for the NBA than the MLB. There are still a lot of good players in the middle, and the draft pick is only forfeited to the QO guys. I vehemently disagree. Note that in the NBA, you can trade draft picks (not just competitive balance ones), and the lottery means that there isn't a perfect correlation between doing poorly and having the best draft pick. My point is that it's either win the World Series, or don't. If you don't win the World Series, then you might as well have the top draft pick. Getting in 2nd place is being the first loser. It's better to be really good and really bad than it is to finish in the middle. The draft picks between the protected picks, and the spots where you have a chance to win the WS (playoffs) is a place called no-man's land. Never finish there. Individual superstars have a far greater impact in the NBA. The top of the draft is critical in the NBA to rebuild. It helps in MLB, but you can find talent throughout the draft.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Oct 2, 2014 23:10:44 GMT -5
My point is that it's either win the World Series, or don't. Love it, let's get this printed up and plastered all over Fenway park. Baseball is a little different than other sports. The regular season is a long marathon and the playoffs are a crab shoot. I agree with you that I would rather get a good draft pick instead of finishing in the middle, but I don't think it is WS or bust. You hHave to play for the division, with the wildcard as the backup, if you realistically can't make the wildcard it is time to sell. Once you make the playoffs anything could happen. My apologies. I'm not as articulate as I would like to be. What I meant to say was that it's you either win the World Series, or you don't, and not winning the World Series hurts just as much (if not more) if you are in second place as you are if you end up dead last, except that when you end up last you get a better draft pick. In other words, whether you finished in second, or finished in last, you "didn't win the World Series" so you might as well have the better draft pick. Now, hindsight plays a large factor there, as we don't know that we'd finish second as the playoffs are approaching, and as anything can happen in the playoffs, that's why I specify that there are 3 zones: not making the playoffs (but protected pick), not making the playoffs (not protected pick) and making the playoffs, and as long as we end up in either of the ends, I'm happy.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Oct 3, 2014 0:46:53 GMT -5
In terms of winning a world series or getting a better draft pick, yes I suppose the middle ground has a disadvantage- and I too was rooting against the 'sox late in the year, selectively, for the draft pick. But the thought that either you win the series or you don't? How jaded have we become? I can remember the late '60's- early 70's when Baltimore had some of the best teams ever and the Sox had no chance whatsoever..and yet I was thrilled just to have them finish .540 as they usually did, and bang some home runs and just enjoyed the players they had. Art Martone in the Providence Journal in the late '90's, when some readers were frustrated about the Yankees dominance commented that the "sox are perfect for us." For what it's worth, I have my attitude consistently for all of my professional sports teams, two of which having never won a title in my lifetime, and one of those having never won a title period.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 3, 2014 6:37:31 GMT -5
If baseball will not allow for the trading of draft picks, maybe they should protect all first round picks got all non playoff teams.
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