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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 23, 2014 9:35:53 GMT -5
I can see the White Sox resigning the Shark
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 23, 2014 10:06:05 GMT -5
Given the amount of money coming into the game, absolutely.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 23, 2014 10:06:07 GMT -5
Given the amount of money coming into the game, absolutely.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 23, 2014 10:14:26 GMT -5
I can see the White Sox resigning the Shark I could easily see all those guys re-signing with their teams. Reds have freed up cash, Chicago may like the idea of a 3-headed monster in sale/shark/rondon, detroit has always shown the willingness to spend, and might be more inclined to keep price around if Verlander continues to slip. Washington is the team I wonder the most about, they could try to lock up Zimmerman if they think they might be outpriced with Strasburg in the coming years.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 23, 2014 11:50:33 GMT -5
Question in regards to next years large crop of FA pitchers. Will there be enough teams willing to spend for each pitcher to get a large contract? Price Zimmerman Samardzija Cueto Not to mention the second tier headed by the Red Sox newbee Porcello. I think it will be interesting to see if someone signs right out of the gate or if the last one of the four to sign gets stuck with a lesser contract. Add in Grienke who, barring an injury or an extremely down year will exercise the opt out. But the answer is yes, especially when Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, San Francisco, Angels, Seattle, and a few other teams will have money to spend. Will likely see AAVs higher than this year's market.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 23, 2014 12:18:51 GMT -5
Question in regards to next years large crop of FA pitchers. Will there be enough teams willing to spend for each pitcher to get a large contract? Price Zimmerman Samardzija Cueto Not to mention the second tier headed by the Red Sox newbee Porcello. I think it will be interesting to see if someone signs right out of the gate or if the last one of the four to sign gets stuck with a lesser contract. Add in Grienke who, barring an injury or an extremely down year will exercise the opt out. But the answer is yes, especially when Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, San Francisco, Angels, Seattle, and a few other teams will have money to spend. Will likely see AAVs higher than this year's market. This is why the best time for the Red Sox to strike on an ace is this offseason by signing Scherzer or trading for Hamels. Signing Scherzer this year will only cost a third round pick, rather than a first round pick to sign one of the free agents next year. Plus, with more pitchers out there and more money freed up by other teams, the Sox will end up spending around the same on someone like Price, Cueto, or Zimmermann next year. Many teams have already spent money this year and don't have room in their budget for someone like Hamels or Scherzer. The Red Sox are willing to go over the tax threshold this year and will easily be under for next year with some of the higher salaries off the books in Napoli, Victorino, Mujica, Porcello, Buchholz, and Masterson. The time is now and Scherzer is one of the best starting pitchers over the last few years
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Post by dirtywater on Dec 23, 2014 12:37:43 GMT -5
Just because they have money coming off the books next year does not mean they should just splurge right now. They still have to find replacements for Napoli, Porcello, Buchholz etc. in 2016
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Post by 111soxfan111 on Dec 23, 2014 13:30:24 GMT -5
From Fangraphs Jeff Sullivan chat. It's kind of surprising answer IMO. I'm onboard with the idea of Ramirez/Castillo/Betts/Vic in the OF ... I just can't see counting on Craig as a starter at this point.
Being Ben Cherington: Considering roster construction and relative return, do you trade Victorino or Craig?
Jeff Sullivan:
I'm more likely to trade Napoli, banking on bouncebacks by the two above.
I like the idea of a Victorino/Castillo/Betts/Ramirez outfield
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Post by nomar on Dec 23, 2014 13:36:11 GMT -5
Our front office should have as good of a guess as anyone else as to whether Craig bounces back or not.
I'm also fine with a Ramirez/Betts/Castillo/Nava outfield with JBJ trying to find himself again too. If Victorino comes back and doesn't hit he's not much different from JBJ. That's a real possibility.
I wouldn't mind if we traded Victorino and kept Craig and Napoli both. This is a good problem to have in general.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 23, 2014 13:36:52 GMT -5
I think it's borderline-crazy to count on bouncebacks from both Victorino and Craig. And the people with the most inside info on the health of those two is the Red Sox. If the Red Sox are serious about competing in '15 then I think Napoli is too important a piece to fool around with trying to save a couple million on risky comebacks. Napoli's strike zone judgment and strong first base defense just keeps his downside so high. Even when he isn't hitting for power he's a very useful piece.
EDIT: And on a totally different note, Red Sox fan who don't appreciate JD Drew make me physically ill. That dude hit the biggest home run of the 2007 playoffs then was a stud from 2008 to 2010.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 23, 2014 13:43:47 GMT -5
I see no reason to add risk by trading Napoli. True he's a rental at this point but given the Sox positional flexibility, anyone of JBJ, Cecchini, Shaw, Marrero, Coyle or Brentz could ultimately end up being his roster slot replacement next year, even without Craig.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 23, 2014 14:46:14 GMT -5
Since the Sox didn't sign Lester or Miller, is it not possible that trading Victorino or Craig puts them back under the lux tax if we receive prospects or lower cost players back ? I'm not sure exactly where we stand but I don't think we aren't over by much. I'm also aware that the Sox are OK with going over for a year but they could also make the year be next year.
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Post by jmei on Dec 23, 2014 15:32:11 GMT -5
I moved all the salary discussion to its on thread in the Off-Topic Forum. Let's keep this one on topic.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 23, 2014 16:49:29 GMT -5
This is why the best time for the Red Sox to strike on an ace is this offseason by signing Scherzer or trading for Hamels Porcello to an extension. Fixed it.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 23, 2014 18:14:32 GMT -5
I'll never get the JD hate Obviously it is because players who consistently put up WrC plus of 130 and play above average right field are only valuable if they are gritty or are "run producers".
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 23, 2014 19:42:24 GMT -5
I'll never get the JD hate Obviously it is because players who consistently put up WrC plus of 130 and play above average right field are only valuable if they are gritty or are "run producers". I'll never get the JD Drew hate either, but I think it is because of his persona more so than anything else. The whole indifferent persona he put out seemed to put people offer, especially when compared to the large contract.
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Post by zimmerdown on Dec 23, 2014 19:48:03 GMT -5
I get it. It's because 65% of fans and 95% of media are morons who care more about body language than results. They'd be fine with him if he smashed a bunch of stuff after a strikeout.
edit: in re: JD Drew
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Post by nomar on Dec 23, 2014 19:54:57 GMT -5
With OBP more of a focus even in the media today, I think JD would have fared a lot better with fans today, but still not as well as he deserved. Guy could hit .180 and get on base as much as Cespedes does.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 23, 2014 20:06:37 GMT -5
It didn't help him that he had his worst season with the Sox in his first year (1.8 WAR), and then followed that with a 109 game season, even though he raked over those 109 games (142 WRC+, 4.0 WAR). If he had started his Sox career with his 09 season, I think the perception would have been better. He got labeled as an overpay almost immediately, then added on the "injury" label in his second year, and his traditional stats didn't read "top flight player".
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 23, 2014 20:13:08 GMT -5
The reason why JD Drew was disliked in Boston, aside from his lack of personality and his holding out and refusing to sign with the Phillies when drafted (Tek did something similar and nobody seemed to care), was that he wasn't very good at driving in runs. He usually had low to mediocre RBI totals, and a lot of games missed.
If you focus on his OBP, Slugging Average, and his strong defense, you can see he was a pretty good player, despite missing bits of time with injuries.
Most older generation fans fixate on batting average, HRs, and RBIs, the triple crown stats, and take offense to a guy sitting out if he doesn't look too hurt.
Thus the perception. And it's not like a lot of the media guys aren't any different, so it becomes a thing on WEEI and other sportstalk arenas.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 23, 2014 20:17:51 GMT -5
Most older generation fans fixate on batting average, HRs, and RBIs, the triple crown stats, and take offense to a guy sitting out if he doesn't look too hurt. Thus the perception. And it's not like a lot of the media guys aren't any different, so it becomes a thing on WEEI and other sportstalk arenas.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 24, 2014 9:33:43 GMT -5
Scherzer will be a bargain if he only gets Peyton Manning type money.
Manning only makes $19,200,000 per season.
haha
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 24, 2014 16:40:11 GMT -5
It's must be eye-opening for Boras that everyone went crazy for Lester and we here not a peep for his guy or Shields for that matter.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 24, 2014 16:52:43 GMT -5
It's must be eye-opening for Boras that everyone went crazy for Lester and we here not a peep for his guy or Shields for that matter. It would be amazing if these guys fell back to us because no one was willing to pay those extravagate prices. Shields for 3 years and 60 million is fine. Hate to go anywhere close to 5 years for him. It would be laughable if "Boras's guy" had to settle for a 5 year deal at best.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 24, 2014 17:24:08 GMT -5
It's must be eye-opening for Boras that everyone went crazy for Lester and we here not a peep for his guy or Shields for that matter. It would be amazing if these guys fell back to us because no one was willing to pay those extravagate prices. Shields for 3 years and 60 million is fine. Hate to go anywhere close to 5 years for him. It would be laughable if "Boras's guy" had to settle for a 5 year deal at best. Shields 3 years at 18. Please come to Boston in the springtime. I would so love to see Boras holding the bag here. I think that Lester was lucky as to time and place. Scherzer may have to come back down...maybe slightly higher than Lester.
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