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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 23, 2016 15:30:09 GMT -5
When can we just release Sean Coyle? While Rijo hasn't been hitting well in Portland, I thought he has some upside. Not saying we should have, but if we plan on getting Moncada reps @ 3B (where Coyle is residing), we could have kept Rijo (@ 2B) in Portland & let him play through it. The .186 rakin Rijo?
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Post by jmei on Jun 23, 2016 16:14:37 GMT -5
Sean Coyle's presence has nothing to do with why Moncada hasn't shifted to third base yet.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 24, 2016 10:18:27 GMT -5
The rakin Sean Coyle is hitting .200 & I'm aware he is not blocking anyone. He is just org filler at this point.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 27, 2016 17:27:14 GMT -5
The Fangraphs prospects guy: This could make Brian angry
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 9, 2016 9:41:28 GMT -5
From Alex Speier in today's globe:
If that had happened, I would've gone ape**** crazy. Sending Dubon to the YANKEES?!?
And I missed that bit from Longenhagen. Non-believer.
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Post by jchang on Sept 9, 2016 11:42:21 GMT -5
The Yanks would have to give up a lot more than Beltran for Dubon. It is travesty that Dubon is not a post-season all-star.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 9, 2016 15:07:16 GMT -5
It is travesty that Dubon is not a post-season all-star. Tough when you spend half a season in two leagues. It's easier in the Carolina League, which only has 8 teams, but Dubon's numbers in Salem really weren't all that great.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 9, 2016 15:20:38 GMT -5
It is travesty that Dubon is not a post-season all-star. Tough when you spend half a season in two leagues. It's easier in the Carolina League, which only has 8 teams, but Dubon's numbers in Salem really weren't all that great. Dubon had a very good year. It looks like he has moved up the ladder in the organization. I do not think that DDo would trade him away for beltran. I think that he is in the mix with hernandez for the best ss in the minors. Devin seems to have fallen because of his bat. Dubon also appears more willing to play 3rd, ss, and 2nd where I do not get a strong feel that hernandez would/ wants to.
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Post by jchang on Sept 9, 2016 16:09:14 GMT -5
Dubon's line A+.306/.387/.379 (235 AB) AA .339/.371/.538 (251 AB)
Top qualifiers CAR and EST A+ .275/.359/.433 Gleyber Torres (356 AB) AA .335/.374/.485 Phillip Evans (361 AB) Dubon's beats the best A+ SS by a wide margin, and is also better than the best CAR/Eastern SS
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Post by jchang on Sept 9, 2016 16:13:46 GMT -5
Dubon had a very good year. It looks like he has moved up the ladder in the organization. I do not think that DDo would trade him away for beltran. I think that he is in the mix with hernandez for the best ss in the minors. Devin seems to have fallen because of his bat. Dubon also appears more willing to play 3rd, ss, and 2nd where I do not get a strong feel that hernandez would/ wants to. I suppose any prospect would find it in them to do the right thing when the choice is between playing their favorite position in AAA or a different position in the MLB
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 9, 2016 23:41:00 GMT -5
Tough when you spend half a season in two leagues. It's easier in the Carolina League, which only has 8 teams, but Dubon's numbers in Salem really weren't all that great. Dubon had a very good year. It looks like he has moved up the ladder in the organization. I do not think that DDo would trade him away for beltran. I think that he is in the mix with hernandez for the best ss in the minors. Devin seems to have fallen because of his bat. Dubon also appears more willing to play 3rd, ss, and 2nd where I do not get a strong feel that hernandez would/ wants to. Considering that Marco Hernandez, as a member of the Red Sox at Pawtucket and in the majors, has played 44 games at shortstop, 45 at second base, and 25 at third base (plus one in left field), what on earth gives you that idea? Mauricio Dubon, meanwhile, has played exactly 8 games at positions other than shortstop when he wasn't on the same roster as Javier Guerra, with 7 of those in deference to Tzu-Wei Lin before he got promoted up to Portland last year. In other words, he's only moved off short when he was playing with a superior defender. I guess you could sort of say the same thing about Hernandez with Marrero, but the point stands that I'm not sure why Dubon has shown he was any more willing than Hernandez. My point here is only that there's no reason to think anything about either player's willingness to move off of shortstop. As jchang said, I guarantee they'd be willing to play any position in the majors rather than insist on being a shortstop and be in the minors.
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on Sept 10, 2016 0:26:29 GMT -5
Wasn't it mentioned that he was an immensely popular teammate? Maybe one of you guys were interviewing some bigger prospects last year and you remarked that they all raved about him and were even wearing T-shirts with some sort of Dubon logo?
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Post by jimoh on Sept 10, 2016 5:42:22 GMT -5
Wasn't it mentioned that he was an immensely popular teammate? Maybe one of you guys were interviewing some bigger prospects last year and you remarked that they all raved about him and were even wearing T-shirts with some sort of Dubon logo? Was that Wendell Rijo?
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 10, 2016 7:24:22 GMT -5
Dubon had a very good year. It looks like he has moved up the ladder in the organization. I do not think that DDo would trade him away for beltran. I think that he is in the mix with hernandez for the best ss in the minors. Devin seems to have fallen because of his bat. Dubon also appears more willing to play 3rd, ss, and 2nd where I do not get a strong feel that hernandez would/ wants to. Considering that Marco Hernandez, as a member of the Red Sox at Pawtucket and in the majors, has played 44 games at shortstop, 45 at second base, and 25 at third base (plus one in left field), what on earth gives you that idea? Mauricio Dubon, meanwhile, has played exactly 8 games at positions other than shortstop when he wasn't on the same roster as Javier Guerra, with 7 of those in deference to Tzu-Wei Lin before he got promoted up to Portland last year. In other words, he's only moved off short when he was playing with a superior defender. I guess you could sort of say the same thing about Hernandez with Marrero, but the point stands that I'm not sure why Dubon has shown he was any more willing than Hernandez. My point here is only that there's no reason to think anything about either player's willingness to move off of shortstop. As jchang said, I guarantee they'd be willing to play any position in the majors rather than insist on being a shortstop and be in the minors. I read more than just this site, in fact I read many sites. I read somewhere that Hernandez would prefer not to play 3rd. Did not say he wouldn't. I have not heard anything about dubon in that vein. Point taken the word willingness is definitely the wrong word. I agree that a young player given the opportunity to play in the bigs and play something other than ss would be crazy to refuse. Guerra is struggling in A and Lin is now not even listed in the top 60 prospects. Dubon moved to another position and kept moving up the chain. This was the basis for MHO. Willingness to move to another position for either of these guys is not part of the equation as they move forward and via for a spot on the big league roster.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2016 8:17:50 GMT -5
Dubon is now hitting in the AFL and hasn't stopped hitting for over a year now.
Dubon has to be getting some top 100 prospect consideration here. All he does is hit at a premium position. Albeit not for much homerun power but he has enough gap power to like in his game.
Imo this is a very interesting guy to keep if you don't like Xander long-term at the short stop position.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 20, 2016 9:33:21 GMT -5
Considering that Marco Hernandez, as a member of the Red Sox at Pawtucket and in the majors, has played 44 games at shortstop, 45 at second base, and 25 at third base (plus one in left field), what on earth gives you that idea? Mauricio Dubon, meanwhile, has played exactly 8 games at positions other than shortstop when he wasn't on the same roster as Javier Guerra, with 7 of those in deference to Tzu-Wei Lin before he got promoted up to Portland last year. In other words, he's only moved off short when he was playing with a superior defender. I guess you could sort of say the same thing about Hernandez with Marrero, but the point stands that I'm not sure why Dubon has shown he was any more willing than Hernandez. My point here is only that there's no reason to think anything about either player's willingness to move off of shortstop. As jchang said, I guarantee they'd be willing to play any position in the majors rather than insist on being a shortstop and be in the minors. I read more than just this site, in fact I read many sites. I read somewhere that Hernandez would prefer not to play 3rd. Did not say he wouldn't. I have not heard anything about dubon in that vein. Point taken the word willingness is definitely the wrong word. I agree that a young player given the opportunity to play in the bigs and play something other than ss would be crazy to refuse. Guerra is struggling in A and Lin is now not even listed in the top 60 prospects. Dubon moved to another position and kept moving up the chain. This was the basis for MHO. Willingness to move to another position for either of these guys is not part of the equation as they move forward and via for a spot on the big league roster. It's part of my job here to read what's being written at other sites, and I've never read anywhere that Hernandez would prefer not to play 3rd base.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 21, 2016 9:44:20 GMT -5
Considering that Marco Hernandez, as a member of the Red Sox at Pawtucket and in the majors, has played 44 games at shortstop, 45 at second base, and 25 at third base (plus one in left field), what on earth gives you that idea? Mauricio Dubon, meanwhile, has played exactly 8 games at positions other than shortstop when he wasn't on the same roster as Javier Guerra, with 7 of those in deference to Tzu-Wei Lin before he got promoted up to Portland last year. In other words, he's only moved off short when he was playing with a superior defender. I guess you could sort of say the same thing about Hernandez with Marrero, but the point stands that I'm not sure why Dubon has shown he was any more willing than Hernandez. My point here is only that there's no reason to think anything about either player's willingness to move off of shortstop. As jchang said, I guarantee they'd be willing to play any position in the majors rather than insist on being a shortstop and be in the minors. I read more than just this site, in fact I read many sites. I read somewhere that Hernandez would prefer not to play 3rd. Did not say he wouldn't. I have not heard anything about dubon in that vein. Point taken the word willingness is definitely the wrong word. I agree that a young player given the opportunity to play in the bigs and play something other than ss would be crazy to refuse. Guerra is struggling in A and Lin is now not even listed in the top 60 prospects. Dubon moved to another position and kept moving up the chain. This was the basis for MHO. Willingness to move to another position for either of these guys is not part of the equation as they move forward and via for a spot on the big league roster. While it's understandable that you can't remember exactly where you read everything, it'd be really helpful to have a source handy before dropping a statement like that. I just did some poking around, and this is the most I could find on Hernandez speaking about where he's comfortable playing: March 2016:April 2016:
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 21, 2016 10:11:06 GMT -5
Many are saying that Matt Picard doesn't like playing third base either. I know I read it somewhere. Some other site. Sad!
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