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Post by azblue on Nov 20, 2014 14:19:38 GMT -5
Coyle, Rodriguez, Shaw and Swihart were added to the 40-man roster.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 20, 2014 14:47:56 GMT -5
Is it probable that a Butler or a Wilson could be dropped to protect, say Garcia or Ramirez/Celestino?
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 20, 2014 14:51:05 GMT -5
Is it probable that a Butler or a Wilson could be dropped to protect, say Garcia or Ramirez/Celestino? I'd prefer Robby Scott but not over Butler or Wilson but over Weeks
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2014 15:34:34 GMT -5
Is it probable that a Butler or a Wilson could be dropped to protect, say Garcia or Ramirez/Celestino? No. They would have done that today. The current 40-man is what I guessed earlier, with Uehara and Francisco replacing Hassan and Herrera. I thought the latter was a goner eventually, and that they would trim either Brentz or Hassan, but I thought they would deal the former rather than waive the latter. They can be expected to add two SP, a 3B, a reliever, and a backup catcher. So which five guys come off the roster? Francisco (non-tender) and Lavarnway (DFA, hope he clears waivers) are almost certain. Butler and Britton seem like the next two best candidates. The latter is likely to be claimed, I think. The second SP seems likely to be obtained for Cespedes plus a young pitcher from the 40-man (and perhaps other prospects). Ranaudo is currently in the lead as the most tradeable player in the Your Trade Candidate Ratings thread, so he's the guy we most hope is included, but obviously it could be Workman, Webster, or Barnes instead. They could also painlessly include either Wilson or Hembree in such a trade, and keep Britton. The desirability of that depends on which reliever they add (re-signing Miller makes Britton very expendable; re-signing Badenhop makes Wilson or Hembree even more superfluous than they are now).
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 20, 2014 22:40:43 GMT -5
Anyone interesting that the sox could nab?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 20, 2014 23:01:25 GMT -5
ORIOLES TOOK A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. Nobody that fits a Red Sox need. "Pitcher Parker Bridwell, 23, (RHP) is a surprising omission. Bridwell went 7-10 with a 4.45 ERA in 26 starts at Single-A Frederick. Teams routinely check on his availability in trade talks with the Orioles, who are waiting for him to become more consistent. In his next-to-last start this summer, Bridwell allowed one hit, walked none and struck out 13 over eight scoreless innings. But he surrendered five runs over two innings in his previous outing. The Orioles have been banking on his potential while remaining intrigued by his mid-90s fastball and plus changeup. The Orioles also declined to protect pitcher Mychal Givens (RHP) and catcher Brian Ward (age 29)." www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2014/11/orioles-select-contracts-of-wright-and-wilson.html
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 20, 2014 23:13:13 GMT -5
m.mlb.com/news/article/101926826/teams-making-roster-decisions-on-top-prospectsThat is one opinion. 57 of the listed "top 20" players were added and 24 apparently were not. Miami No. 12 Jarlin Garcia, LHP; he is to be age 22, but was only SAL A- www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/92306He is the only LHP on the list of 24 players. The 3 highest ranked prospects (rank on team): Houston: No. 12 Delino DeShields, CF-2B ... age 22 ... RHB ... 54 SB! Los Angeles Angels: No. 5 Kaleb Cowart, 3B ... age 22 ... LHB Washington: No. 6 Matt Skole, 1B-3B; ... age 25 ... LHB ... AA ... 14 HR Edit: (Arizona : No. 6 Brandon Drury, 3B ... age 22 ... RHB is no longer unprotected. AZ added him today.) Edit: (Tampa Bay : No. 8 Ryan Brett, 2B only ... age 23 ... is no longer unprotected. TB added him Thur.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 21, 2014 7:31:58 GMT -5
There hasn't been anyone truly interesting in the Rule 5 Draft for years. Their adding another year before players became available a few years back more or less killed its actual utility. 36 players have even been selected in the past three years, and most returned.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 21, 2014 18:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 21, 2014 19:20:55 GMT -5
They can be expected to add two SP, a 3B, a reliever, and a backup catcher. So which five guys come off the roster? Francisco (non-tender) and Lavarnway (DFA, hope he clears waivers) are almost certain. Butler and Britton seem like the next two best candidates. The latter is likely to be claimed, I think. The second SP seems likely to be obtained for Cespedes plus a young pitcher from the 40-man (and perhaps other prospects). Ranaudo is currently in the lead as the most tradeable player in the Your Trade Candidate Ratings thread, so he's the guy we most hope is included, but obviously it could be Workman, Webster, or Barnes instead. They could also painlessly include either Wilson or Hembree in such a trade, and keep Britton. The desirability of that depends on which reliever they add (re-signing Miller makes Britton very expendable; re-signing Badenhop makes Wilson or Hembree even more superfluous than they are now). My math was off there. If they're trading Cespedes for the 2nd SP, that's only 4 players being added to the 40-man. If Ranaudo or another young SP is in that deal, that's only three players who need to be moved off the roster, so they can keep either Butler or Britton / Wilson / Hembree. If they also include the obviously expendable Coyle in that deal, they can keep all of those.
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Post by Smittyw on Nov 24, 2014 15:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 24, 2014 15:19:44 GMT -5
Ramos should be intriguing for teams that aren't in contention. That being said, he is coming off a major injury and basically didn't play last year, so it would be a fairly big gamble.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 16:26:24 GMT -5
How long can the Red Sox hold off before adding Pablo and Hanley to the 40? Two have to go off the 40 for them to be officially announced.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 24, 2014 16:36:27 GMT -5
How long can the Red Sox hold off before adding Pablo and Hanley to the 40? Practically forever.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 26, 2014 9:18:47 GMT -5
BA with notable players available: www.baseballamerica.com/minors/notable-players-available-rule-5-draft/Rightly, includes Garcia with the "Flame Throwers", although I'm not a fan of characterizing what happened this year as a "late-season move to the 'pen," given that he was still going at least three innings per outing in a piggyback role and thus it's unlikely that this is the reason (or at least that it's much of the reason) his velocity ticked up. Wrongly, Robby Scott is included with the "Lefty Specialists" even though Cooper even acknowledges his significant reverse split. No mention of Ramos (I think Callis is more inclined to include him given his familiarity with the Sox system - I just can't see a team taking him where he's not a plus defender or runner) or any of the other relievers.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 26, 2014 14:04:08 GMT -5
In an era of 7-man bullpens, teams just can't keep Rule-5 position players all year long. Roster flexibility is too important with too few backups. Pitchers are a different story. If a team has other arms with options, then protecting one guy becomes a bit easier.
There's a real chance Gilmartin could stick, and I wouldn't mind the Red Sox grabbing him. Lefties hit .201/.219/.235 against him in 2014. If I'm Boston I'd risk the $25K that he's better than Layne and Britton at least. I'd have him in the Top 25 prospects if he were in the Sox system.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 9, 2014 11:01:28 GMT -5
will anyone from the Red Sox get drafted during the rule 5 daft? Henry Ramos? Noe Ramirez? Robby Scott?
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 10, 2014 13:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 10, 2014 14:55:29 GMT -5
Joel Sherman ?@joelsherman1 42m42 minutes ago Industry expectation strong #Mets will lose RHP Logan Verrett in tmrw’s Rule 5. Clubs see as back-end SP or stuff playing up as 7th-inn RP
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Post by azblue on Dec 10, 2014 18:10:57 GMT -5
My unfounded speculation: If available, the Red Sox will pick Andrew McKirahan from the Cubs and the Cubs will waive their right to take him back if the Red Sox send him down to the minors before the end of the 2015 season. He (or another Cub who is eligible to be chosen in the Rule 5 draft) will be the "player to be named."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 10, 2014 18:59:27 GMT -5
My unfounded speculation: If available, the Red Sox will pick Andrew McKirahan from the Cubs and the Cubs will waive their right to take him back if the Red Sox send him down to the minors before the end of the 2015 season. He (or another Cub who is eligible to be chosen in the Rule 5 draft) will be the "player to be named." He'd need to clear waivers though, so that doesn't make sense.
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Post by azblue on Dec 10, 2014 19:24:04 GMT -5
You only have to offer a player back to the team from which you drafted the player in order to option him to the minors.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 10, 2014 20:15:25 GMT -5
You only have to offer a player back to the team from which you drafted the player in order to option him to the minors. MLB Rule 6 (a) RESTRICTIONS. From the date of selection to the close of the subsequent Major League championship season, no player selected in the Major League phase of the Rule 5 Selection Meeting shall be released or directed to perform for or otherwise transferred to any Minor League Club until: (1) the player has received a 15-day trial period during spring training; (2) Outright Assignment waivers have first been granted on the player's contract in accordance with Rule 10 (Major League Waivers) (see, e.g., Rule 10(e)(5) (Restrictions on Waiver Requests)); and
(3) outright assignment of the player has then been offered to and rejected by the Major or Minor League Club from which the player's contract was selected.
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 10, 2014 21:22:08 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 2m2 minutes ago Hearing #Braves pitcher J.R. Graham mentioned a lot as a Rule 5 draft candidate. That's on tap Thursday.
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Post by azblue on Dec 10, 2014 21:48:23 GMT -5
Thank you, Chris. I only looked at the Rule 5 Wiki and should have looked at the rule itself.
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