radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Oct 30, 2015 15:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 30, 2015 16:12:26 GMT -5
Yikes
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 30, 2015 16:15:40 GMT -5
Whew, misread your post at first and thought we had Cody Kukuk all over again.
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Post by gerry on Oct 31, 2015 2:00:58 GMT -5
Whew, misread your post at first and thought we had Cody Kukuk all over again. He got really lucky. Violent felon, shot the gun into the tarmac to press his advantage. Bruan a passenger. South Florida ((Cocoa Beach - FT Myers) isn't exactly a center of violent crime. Crazy. He dodged a bullet, literally. Good news he will be fully functioning in ST. If, as persistent rumors become fact, Owens is traded, which I hope not, a healthy Johnson will be a key member of the rotation's depth as he rehabs in Pawtucket.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2015 9:25:10 GMT -5
Nothing good happens after midnight. They're lucky they didn't get hurt.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 31, 2015 11:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2015 11:44:30 GMT -5
Nothing good happens after midnight. They're lucky they didn't get hurt. I mean, they were at a convenience store, not going clubbing in some gang-controlled warzone. For all we know they were getting snacks after an epic Playstation session. Let's not do this victim-blaming garbage please.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 1, 2015 12:17:14 GMT -5
Nothing good happens after midnight. They're lucky they didn't get hurt. Uhhh..... agree to disagree.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Nov 1, 2015 13:34:26 GMT -5
Nothing good happens after midnight. They're lucky they didn't get hurt.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 1, 2015 15:58:04 GMT -5
Nothing good happens after midnight. They're lucky they didn't get hurt. I mean, they were at a convenience store, not going clubbing in some gang-controlled warzone. For all we know they were getting snacks after an epic Playstation session. Let's not do this victim-blaming garbage please. Jeez, I didn't expect to get blasted for that one. It's just one of those anecdotes that I like. It is good advice for younger people who don't want to miss anything. I wish I listened to someone who told me that earlier in life. It really doesn't imply anything about Johnson.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 1, 2015 16:02:09 GMT -5
Nothing good happens after midnight. They're lucky they didn't get hurt. That's a good exception.
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Post by ray88h66 on Nov 1, 2015 16:18:49 GMT -5
I mean, they were at a convenience store, not going clubbing in some gang-controlled warzone. For all we know they were getting snacks after an epic Playstation session. Let's not do this victim-blaming garbage please. Jeez, I didn't expect to get blasted for that one. It's just one of those anecdotes that I like. It is good advice for younger people who don't want to miss anything. I wish I listened to someone who told me that earlier in life. It really doesn't imply anything about Johnson. I got your meaning Jimed. Every coach I played for said the same thing. We even had the NBA send a guy to summer rec basketball. say it in Boston back in the 70's. I hope the coaches still say it. It has nothing to do with victim blaming. Just good advice. Of course Johnson's not to blame for the punk that took his car. Good grief.
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Post by jmei on Jul 22, 2016 8:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2016 9:38:07 GMT -5
I haven't rooted harder for a prospect to make a huge comeback and do well like Brian Johnson has. This team could use him too. I'll be stocked to see him in the big leagues if he can rise again in short order. I'm not expecting it, but I hope it happens. A healthy Brian Johnson could do wonders....
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2016 12:13:50 GMT -5
Would really like to see him move to a bullpen role. He could be an awesome weapon in pen. I think it's time. For a pitcher his age, the lack of innings is a huge red flag for me. I'm not counting this year, but in all prior years it seems to be a bunch of injuries every year that limit his innings. I think it's time to see if less innings in the pen allow him to stay healthy for a full year. If he does well, you can always try converting him back later if you want.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 22, 2016 12:23:44 GMT -5
Would really like to see him move to a bullpen role. He could be an awesome weapon in pen. I think it's time. For a pitcher his age, the lack of innings is a huge red flag for me. I'm not counting this year, but in all prior years it seems to be a bunch of injuries every year that limit his innings. I think it's time to see if less innings in the pen allow him to stay healthy for a full year. If he does well, you can always try converting him back later if you want. Longman? Spot starter?.....I don't see his stuff as a late inning guy. There is value in having a 3 or 4 inning guy in the pen. Don't believe he had a BB problem.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 22, 2016 12:41:42 GMT -5
Trade the player while the value is there.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 22, 2016 13:18:55 GMT -5
Trade the player while the value is there. You need to learn about italics.
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Post by kman22 on Jul 22, 2016 14:51:29 GMT -5
Would really like to see him move to a bullpen role. He could be an awesome weapon in pen. I think it's time. For a pitcher his age, the lack of innings is a huge red flag for me. I'm not counting this year, but in all prior years it seems to be a bunch of injuries every year that limit his innings. I think it's time to see if less innings in the pen allow him to stay healthy for a full year. If he does well, you can always try converting him back later if you want. It's pretty tough to attribute the liner to the head to him starting.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 22, 2016 14:51:45 GMT -5
Would really like to see him move to a bullpen role. He could be an awesome weapon in pen. I think it's time. For a pitcher his age, the lack of innings is a huge red flag for me. I'm not counting this year, but in all prior years it seems to be a bunch of injuries every year that limit his innings. I think it's time to see if less innings in the pen allow him to stay healthy for a full year. If he does well, you can always try converting him back later if you want. A guy who succeeds by mixing a large arsenal of average pitches, thrown with plus command, is the worst possible bullpen conversion candidate. As the opposite example: Matt Barnes, who has dominated hitters since 6/21 by throwing 94% fastballs and curves -- 97% since June 28.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2016 20:35:10 GMT -5
Would really like to see him move to a bullpen role. He could be an awesome weapon in pen. I think it's time. For a pitcher his age, the lack of innings is a huge red flag for me. I'm not counting this year, but in all prior years it seems to be a bunch of injuries every year that limit his innings. I think it's time to see if less innings in the pen allow him to stay healthy for a full year. If he does well, you can always try converting him back later if you want. It's pretty tough to attribute the liner to the head to him starting. What exactly is your point? That the liner to his head is the reason he averages a little over 100 innings a year for the last 4 years?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2016 20:45:12 GMT -5
Would really like to see him move to a bullpen role. He could be an awesome weapon in pen. I think it's time. For a pitcher his age, the lack of innings is a huge red flag for me. I'm not counting this year, but in all prior years it seems to be a bunch of injuries every year that limit his innings. I think it's time to see if less innings in the pen allow him to stay healthy for a full year. If he does well, you can always try converting him back later if you want. A guy who succeeds by mixing a large arsenal of average pitches, thrown with plus command, is the worst possible bullpen conversion candidate. As the opposite example: Matt Barnes, who has dominated hitters since 6/21 by throwing 94% fastballs and curves -- 97% since June 28. So you have to throw 97 to be a good reliever? Would much rather have Johnson on roster if he's healthy over Layne. Would also like to see if pitching out of Pen could allow him to pitch more in the 92-93 range with his fastball compared to the 89-92 we see now. Some guys do see an uptick in their stuff when pitching in relief compared to starting.
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Post by soxcentral on Jul 22, 2016 20:52:17 GMT -5
A guy who succeeds by mixing a large arsenal of average pitches, thrown with plus command, is the worst possible bullpen conversion candidate. As the opposite example: Matt Barnes, who has dominated hitters since 6/21 by throwing 94% fastballs and curves -- 97% since June 28. So you have to throw 97 to be a good reliever? Would much rather have Johnson on roster if he's healthy over Layne. Would also like to see if pitching out of Pen could allow him to pitch more in the 92-93 range with his fastball compared to the 89-92 we see now. Some guys do see an uptick in their stuff when pitching in relief compared to starting. I think you're missing the point. A pitcher like Johnson can use an array of pitches to go multiple times through the order with minimal damage, but without a dominant pitch is unlikely to be lights out in short stints. He may be useful as a long reliever, but is that more valuable than staying as a starter?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2016 0:48:49 GMT -5
So you have to throw 97 to be a good reliever? Would much rather have Johnson on roster if he's healthy over Layne. Would also like to see if pitching out of Pen could allow him to pitch more in the 92-93 range with his fastball compared to the 89-92 we see now. Some guys do see an uptick in their stuff when pitching in relief compared to starting. I think you're missing the point. A pitcher like Johnson can use an array of pitches to go multiple times through the order with minimal damage, but without a dominant pitch is unlikely to be lights out in short stints. He may be useful as a long reliever, but is that more valuable than staying as a starter? I get the point I just don't agree with it. Chances Johnson starts for Sox this year? I would say almost zero at this point, as I would think he's currently 4/5th on the Sox list if they need a spot starter. Put him in pen and I think he could be a huge upgrade over Layne and give our pen a lot more flexibility. What exactly do you mean by lights out? All he needs to do is be the pitching he was in 2015 at AAA. Do we care more about stuff or results? Cause Johnson with average stuff gets guys out and strikeouts his fair share of them. Most recent scouting report says his fastball lost 2 mph in fourth and fifth inning and that his curve when thrown faster could be above average and had potential to miss bats. So I really wanna see how he could do in pen if he saw a slight uptick in his stuff. if it doesn't workout move him back to being a starter next year, it only cost you a few months. If it does workout you could have improved your bullpen and got some value from Johnson this year. Teams like Saint Louis bring up starters all the time to the pen to get them used to major league hitters and then move them back to being starters. It's there way of breaking pitchers in, maybe we could learn a thing from them.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 23, 2016 2:13:43 GMT -5
I'd rather acquire another lefty reliever before they attempt to screw up Johnson even more by throwing him in the bullpen.
Throwing him in the bullpen is a horrible idea after everything he's recently been through. I'd rather see him compete for a job in the rotation this year or next year if he doesn't feel comfortable with that idea.
I love how fans can just throw ideas around with forgetting what just happened a month ago with Johnson.
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