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2014 Trade Deadline Thread - Discussion Only
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 20, 2014 18:06:12 GMT -5
Discussion of the trade deadline belongs here.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 20, 2014 18:14:07 GMT -5
Seems to me that buyers and sellers can be categorized as follows:
Clearly buyers: AL - OAK, LAA, DET, BAL, TOR NL - WAS, ATL, SF, LAD, STL, PIT, CIN
Losing lately and may need to make a quick move: AL - KC, SEA NL - MIL
Winning lately but may be a bit delusional: AL - CLE, MFY, BOS NL - NYM
Clearly sellers: AL - HOU, TEX, CWS, MIN, TB NL - MIA, PHI, CHC, ARI, SD, COL
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 20, 2014 18:41:25 GMT -5
Its going to be interesting to see what we do with Lester, after every start it seems his trade value is increasing. We put ourselves in this position because Cherington gambled and lost, i haven't been to impressed with some of the moves he has made. We need to decide if we can't sign Lester, then trade him for 3 GREAT prospects. I think Peavy is as good as gone, Gomes i am not to sure about.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 20, 2014 18:46:23 GMT -5
While the odds are long - enough to potentially call trying to compete delusional - there is enough hope to at least wait right up until the deadline to sell.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 20, 2014 18:49:35 GMT -5
They aren't getting 3 great prospects for Lester. But I wonder if they could get a top 50 prospect like Bundy Harvey or Bell.
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 20, 2014 19:20:42 GMT -5
Carlos Gonzalez
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Post by godot on Jul 20, 2014 19:21:36 GMT -5
Its going to be interesting to see what we do with Lester, after every start it seems his trade value is increasing. We put ourselves in this position because Cherington gambled and lost, i haven't been to impressed with some of the moves he has made. We need to decide if we can't sign Lester, then trade him for 3 GREAT prospects. I think Peavy is as good as gone, Gomes i am not to sure about. Don't blame Ben. He was carrying water for John Henry whose philosophy on free agency is well known now. Don't believe even John Henry is arrogant enough to trade him now. It also goes against his value approach. Whoever gets him gets a rental; so how much will they be willing to give. Sox really do not have many trade chips with value (Peavy, Carp, Gomes). They would have to trade Koji, Miller or even Lackey. Don't have any idea on Middlebrooks value. If they stay true to form, they will clear some dead wood to make room for a few "prospects"; that is, if they can live with not getting much value in return.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2014 19:22:14 GMT -5
They should easily be able to acquire Bell in a Lester trade. I think the Sox are lowballing PIT with a Peavy + offer.
Can't blame Cherington for the impasse on the Lester negotiations. Apparently this was Lucchino's job and he tried to get negotiations started with his offer. Lester's side did not respond with an equally outrageous high number. If it had, the parties could begin whittling down each other's offer to arrive at a certain point, or not, as they case may be. Just the normal give and take in the negotiation process. No one should be offended.
Agree that it is a good idea to drag this out until the deadline, as pitchers on contending teams can suffer injuries, thus upping Jon's trade value.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 20, 2014 19:58:09 GMT -5
So which is it guys, Henry or Lucchino? Or is it both of them together, in which case we can just revive the cabal theory?
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 20, 2014 20:15:42 GMT -5
So which is it guys, Henry or Lucchino? Or is it both of them together, in which case we can just revive the cabal theory? Henry has been very clear. Larry Lucchino runs the Red Sox. According.to many reports Lucchino overrode the GM' s manager choice in 2012 and has likely forced him to make several other ill advised move. Moves that apprear to.be driven by what talk radio show callers and some members of the media want.as opposed to common sense.
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Post by marrcus on Jul 20, 2014 20:22:15 GMT -5
" Peter Gammons ? @pgammo Bosox source: by far the most trade inquiry calls have been on Andrew Miller 8:50 AM - 19 Jul 2014" ------------------------------------------------------- Is Ben willing to go 3/18 after the season for Miller in FA?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 20, 2014 20:24:22 GMT -5
1st 3 (and lester) are the only ones with any real trade value which could bring back any decent type of prospect. Gomes, Peavy and Drew are not going to get anything. The team is going to have to use one of those 3 guys they want to bring back next year if they want anything, not any of the guys they are waving adios, for good reason to.
WMB is pretty much the same situation, injured and poor numbers when he's been healthy, all hype.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 20, 2014 20:26:56 GMT -5
So which is it guys, Henry or Lucchino? Or is it both of them together, in which case we can just revive the cabal theory? Henry has been very clear. Larry Lucchino runs the Red Sox. According.to many reports Lucchino overrode the GM' s manager choice in 2012 and has likely forced him to make several other ill advised move. Moves that apprear to.be driven by what talk radio show callers and some members of the media want.as opposed to common sense. Pretty sure he was forced to give up much of that control after the Bobby V disaster. None of the moves the past two offseasons (and, especially, this past offseason) seem Lucchino-esque.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 20, 2014 20:55:52 GMT -5
So which is it guys, Henry or Lucchino? Or is it both of them together, in which case we can just revive the cabal theory? Henry has been very clear. Larry Lucchino runs the Red Sox. According.to many reports Lucchino overrode the GM' s manager choice in 2012 and has likely forced him to make several other ill advised move. Moves that apprear to.be driven by what talk radio show callers and some members of the media want.as opposed to common sense. are we seriously starting this shat up again? Really?
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 20, 2014 21:05:13 GMT -5
I for one, didn't like the trades of Hanrahan. That was an awful move. However we did get brock holt. The trade for Andrew Bailey was a disaster, Josh Reddick had one great season for the Athletics. So that trade works out in their favor. Cherington will be graded on how well he did in the draft, i am hoping he got some gems in the draft.
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Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2014 21:25:47 GMT -5
I for one, didn't like the trades of Hanrahan. That was an awful move. However we did get brock holt. The trade for Andrew Bailey was a disaster, Josh Reddick had one great season for the Athletics. So that trade works out in their favor. Cherington will be graded on how well he did in the draft, i am hoping he got some gems in the draft. *One great half season. Pretty sure Reddick had a brutal second half that season. Beast mode defensively at least though.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2014 21:41:53 GMT -5
I for one, didn't like the trades of Hanrahan. That was an awful move. However we did get brock holt. The trade for Andrew Bailey was a disaster, Josh Reddick had one great season for the Athletics. So that trade works out in their favor. Cherington will be graded on how well he did in the draft, i am hoping he got some gems in the draft. Add to that Raul Alcantara, who is now the #2 prospect in the As system, and it looks even more in their favor.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 20, 2014 21:47:37 GMT -5
Good point, forgot to include Alcantara. Boy are the Athletics loaded with young starting pitching! But so are we!! GO RED SOX!
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Post by jdb on Jul 20, 2014 23:21:42 GMT -5
Competitive balance picks come out this week. Wouldn't mind trading for one of those.
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 21, 2014 3:18:52 GMT -5
I don't care if its major leaguers or minor leaguers, I just want them to trade away some pitching. I don't even really care what it is we get back, but having like 11 guys that could reasonably slot into the starting rotation isn't helping anyone.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 21, 2014 3:33:49 GMT -5
Sell, Sell, Sell. This team has about a 4% chance for the second wild card which gets you a one game playoff. It is time to be realistic and trade Lester, Peavy, Gomes, and Breslow and build for the future.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Jul 21, 2014 5:39:22 GMT -5
Sell, Sell, Sell. This team has about a 4% chance for the second wild card which gets you a one game playoff. It is time to be realistic and trade Lester, Peavy, Gomes, and Breslow and build for the future. Be selective on who is traded. I mean you can certainly get by with trading a guy like Breslow or Peavy if you think you have good internal options. Workman needs to return in some capacity with the way he pitched in the post season. Doubront is a good replacement for either player and it's a chance for Boston to pick up a decent prospect for an expendable bullpen piece. Now...if they get killed this week then someone like Miller or Uehara can be discussed. In theory I think Ben and the team owes everyone one more week of seeing if this thing can be salvaged or if the defending champs will say goodbye and be disbanded. After seeing this team last year and what they accomplished I don't have the balls to bet against them.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2014 5:43:02 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 36m
GM looking at closer market:"The Red Sox seemed to have no inclination to discuss (Koji) Uehara"
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 21, 2014 6:00:02 GMT -5
Henry has been very clear. Larry Lucchino runs the Red Sox. According.to many reports Lucchino overrode the GM' s manager choice in 2012 and has likely forced him to make several other ill advised move. Moves that apprear to.be driven by what talk radio show callers and some members of the media want.as opposed to common sense. Pretty sure he was forced to give up much of that control after the Bobby V disaster. None of the moves the past two offseasons (and, especially, this past offseason) seem Lucchino-esque. The Drew move was as was calling up Betts quickly. Both seemed more geared towards pleasing talk radio than in keeping with a long term plan. And yes I think Lucchino's meddling in trades should be a part of the "trade deasline thread".
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2014 7:53:12 GMT -5
I like that the team is fighting, and I think it will continue to do so since there are so many guys playing for themselves right now, plus Pedroia always plays hard.
Gomes and Peavy need to go ASAP to open up full slots for Bradley and Peavy. Drew needs to be moved as well. Put Xander at short and Middlebrooks at 3rd. Or Holt at short and Mookie or Hassan in left.
If they continue to waste playing time, on guys like Peavy, Gones and Drew it's a complete waste.
I really think it's a mistake to not trade Koji, assuming you can get a strong return for him, due to the fact that you want him around next year. First and foremost, he's a free agent so it's not a guarantee or you can still resign him. Secondly, he's 40.
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