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2014 Trade Deadline Thread - Discussion Only
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2014 8:13:12 GMT -5
Right now the only guy I think is actively being shopped is Peavy. If we don't make up any ground in the next ten games that brings guys like Lester, Lackey, Koji, Miller and Gomes into play. I'd still prefer to sign Lester but I think that ship has sailed.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 21, 2014 9:01:30 GMT -5
Red Sox are starting to represent the Philles post 2011. Would rather lose with their big name players than trade them away.
Let me hedge that, I am all for this last minute push for the playoffs, but lets be realistic about it. They have to win at least 7 of the next 10 games to consider pushing for it. Any sign of bump in the road the Red Sox should sell.
For players like Koji and Miller, I think they are going to hit free agency, if traded or not. From there they will go to the highest bidder. That is the reason I would be open to trading them. Miller I believe we could be the highest bidder, and it is probably a minimum of 3 years and 6M each.
Really what I would like to see them do is put a couple of these expiring contracts together and try to pry a good 2015 piece. I can't think of a better example then Bundy. Put Lester and Koji together, and anyone else Baltimore would want, and try to get Bundy back. Even if we have to exchange someone like Workman to give Baltimore some type of team control back.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2014 9:22:37 GMT -5
I think Billy Beane has made 18 trades since Ben's last trade. Well at least we still have Carp and Peavy.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2014 10:00:25 GMT -5
I think Billy Beane has made 18 trades since Ben's last trade. Well at least we still have Carp and Peavy. and that big trade the A's made has been a failure for them so far
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Post by nexus on Jul 21, 2014 10:50:50 GMT -5
Red Sox are starting to represent the Philles post 2011. Would rather lose with their big name players than trade them away. Good Lord. I thought the Red Sox won the world series as recently as... last year. What's the tolerance threshold before it's okay to state the Red Sox are obviously holding on too hard to the past? 80+ games, I guess. Phillies are a poor example, anyway. They actually did trade away useful pieces (Victorino, Pence) once it was clear they weren't going anywhere in 2012. You can't blame them for keeping the others. Hamels and Lee were still elite. Halladay and Utley were hurt but elite when healthy. Howard was immovable, etc. The reasons that buried the Red Sox earlier this season are now either gone or starting to show a pulse. The question 'is it too late?' will be answered in the next ten days.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2014 13:23:21 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 9s
Now that Matt Cain is going on the DL for the #SFGiants, you wonder if a #Redsox Jake Peavy reunion with Bruce Bochy could be far behind?
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Post by danr on Jul 21, 2014 14:23:09 GMT -5
The Red Sox invested a lot of time and money in Miller and it is paying off. This is the third season in a row in which he has improved over the previous year. He is at the peak of his career now, and it would be a shame if the Sox could not benefit from that. Why pick up a player like Miller and then not take advantage of a success? They seldom work out as well as this one has.
Since Miller would be a rental, the Sox could not get a great deal for him now. Better to keep him, give him a QO, try to sign him for three more years, and if that doesn't work, at least get the draft pick they wouldn't get if they traded him now.
The one problem with this idea is that he might accept the QO and that would make him probably the highest paid non closer RP in the majors, at least for one year. On the other hand, if another team topped a Sox multiyear offer, the total would be a fair amount more than the QO. Would be a challenging dilemma. I am sure Drew wishes he had accepted the Sox QO.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2014 14:31:31 GMT -5
There's no way they're offering 1/$15 million for Miller.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 21, 2014 14:36:16 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 9s Now that Matt Cain is going on the DL for the #SFGiants, you wonder if a #Redsox Jake Peavy reunion with Bruce Bochy could be far behind? The Giants' system is pretty devoid of talent, unless you like future relievers...
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Jul 21, 2014 14:43:12 GMT -5
The Red Sox invested a lot of time and money in Miller and it is paying off. This is the third season in a row in which he has improved over the previous year. He is at the peak of his career now, and it would be a shame if the Sox could not benefit from that. Why pick up a player like Miller and then not take advantage of a success? They seldom work out as well as this one has. Since Miller would be a rental, the Sox could not get a great deal for him now. Better to keep him, give him a QO, try to sign him for three more years, and if that doesn't work, at least get the draft pick they wouldn't get if they traded him now.The one problem with this idea is that he might accept the QO and that would make him probably the highest paid non closer RP in the majors, at least for one year. On the other hand, if another team topped a Sox multiyear offer, the total would be a fair amount more than the QO. Would be a challenging dilemma. I am sure Drew wishes he had accepted the Sox QO. I don't understand that thinking at all. I can't envision a team giving away a first round draft pick for signing a reliever, one that doesn't even have closer experience. If Stephen Drew couldn't net the Red Sox a pick there is little to no chance Andrew Miller would net the Sox a pick and he would be foolish to not accept the $15 million. I just don't see any feasible way he is offered a qualifying offer.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2014 14:43:22 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 9s Now that Matt Cain is going on the DL for the #SFGiants, you wonder if a #Redsox Jake Peavy reunion with Bruce Bochy could be far behind? The Giants' system is pretty devoid of talent, unless you like future relievers... I like anyone not named Peavy.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 21, 2014 14:51:34 GMT -5
The Giants' system is pretty devoid of talent, unless you like future relievers... The Giants' system has some interesting arms. They have a bunch of mid-rotation prospects in Crick, Escobar, Mejia, Blackburn and Stratton. I wouldn't think they'd be targeted by the Red Sox, though. One guy I like is Mac Williamson, who is on the shelf for 2014 with TJ but profiles as a RF RH power bat. He's the sort of high risk, high ceiling hitter the Red Sox are looking for. Given Williamson's injury history, he might be obtainable in a Peavy deal. BTW, Williamson was a Red Sox draftee. Otherwise, I would look for a lottery ticket pitcher such as Keury Mella or Kendry Flores. There's not much on the position player side.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 21, 2014 15:25:39 GMT -5
Yet they played hardball with him this past off season over a "lousy" 300k (1.8m vs 2.1m) To top that off, they probably could have locked him up LT with one f those reliever type contracts they did with breslow.. 2/8-10m and a team option with a 3rd year. Why they played cheap with him, over a foot injury that was well past healed was beyond crazy. They had a chance to lock him up LT and team him up with Tz at least for the next 3 seasons.
Cherrington makes bizarre decisions which lack any clarity which Epstein would NEVER have made.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2014 15:30:17 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 1h
Among teams seeking RPs, per exec who is selling: #Tigers, #Indians, #Orioles, #BlueJays, #Braves, #Brewers, #SFGiants, #Dodgers, #Pirates.
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Post by jmei on Jul 21, 2014 15:35:38 GMT -5
Yet they played hardball with him this past off season over a "lousy" 300k (1.8m vs 2.1m) To top that off, they probably could have locked him up LT with one f those reliever type contracts they did with breslow.. 2/8-10m and a team option with a 3rd year. Why they played cheap with him, over a foot injury that was well past healed was beyond crazy. They had a chance to lock him up LT and team him up with Tz at least for the next 3 seasons. Cherrington makes bizarre decisions which lack any clarity which Epstein would NEVER have made. There is no evidence that the front office "played hardball" or "played cheap" with Miller. They didn't go to an arbitration hearing and agreed on a $1.9m deal that was slightly above the midpoint of their filing numbers (the gap in their filing numbers was $600K ($1.55m vs. $2.15m)). Moreover, the two sides did have discussions about a long-term deal in the spring, although those talks don't appear to have gone anywhere.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 21, 2014 15:46:47 GMT -5
Bowden in ESPN Insider has a piece about what it would take to get Jake Peavy. This little nugget involved: Stephen Piscotty straight-up could be the deal. insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=9919Jeez, I hope Bowden gets a GM job in the winter so we can pick his pockets.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2014 17:18:52 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 3m #Tigers, #bluejays, #orioles, #brewers, #angels, #royals, #sfgiants. #Rangers, #dbacks and #pirates have scouts in Philly tonight.
no sox scouts watching Lee
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2014 19:06:57 GMT -5
David O'Brien ?@dobrienajc 1m Andrew Miller is lefty #Braves want, but Red Sox might not deal him long as they think they have a decent playoff chance
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 21, 2014 19:45:45 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 36m GM looking at closer market:"The Red Sox seemed to have no inclination to discuss (Koji) Uehara" As it should be...barring an injury Koji's market shouldn't diminish..and that would just be bad luck. All indications are the FO are loathe to give up on the season until the last possible moment...and I applaud them for that patience.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 6:34:13 GMT -5
Copying vermontsox1's post from the non-discussion thread: Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 1h Red Sox were in watching State College OF Rowan Wick in case Cards make deadline push for Jake Peavy . . . . This looks like a power outfield lottery ticket. www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wick--001rowwww.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592858On the one hand, drafted 9th round 2012 and has been in short season ball ever since, on the other, he started as a catcher, changed to C/RF and this year in the NYPL is RF only. He's Canadian and a Cypress College draftee so, unlikely saw high quality competition as an amateur. He's tearing up the league, leading in OPS 1.290 with 14 HRs. Nobody else has a 1.000 OPS or more than 10 HRs.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 22, 2014 6:42:48 GMT -5
"The rest are really mostly farm filler at the lower levels, with the notable exception of Rowan Wick, who moved out from behind the dish last year and mashed 10 homers in just 241 PA's for Johnson City while learning to play RF. Wick walks plenty (12.4%) and strikes out plenty too (29.5%) but I'd expect him to get some time in a full season league this year given his size (6'3") and power potential (substantial). At best, he's probably a 3TO guy similar to Xavier Scruggs, albeit from the left side of the plate. Those guys can have a lot of value if they can manage the strikeouts and play decent defense - Wick has supposedly been average or better in RF according to scouting reports and he's certainly got the arm strength."
From a Cardinals prospect site pre-season. The last sentence on defense is the interesting part.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 22, 2014 7:07:54 GMT -5
While I understand this is a prospect board, too many people want to trade players just for the sake of picking up prospects. Sometimes I feel as though there is a backwards mentality that the Red Sox MLB team purely exist to funnel prospects to their Minor League Affiliates.
They have a chance for the second WC and it's not too far fetched. Once there anything can happen.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 7:14:11 GMT -5
While I understand this is a prospect board, too many people want to trade players just for the sake of picking up prospects. Sometimes I feel as though there is a backwards mentality that the Red Sox MLB team purely exist to funnel prospects to their Minor League Affiliates. They have a chance for the second WC and it's not too far fetched. Once there anything can happen. This thread pretty much assumes that the Sox will only be sellers if they no longer think they will win this year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 8:17:22 GMT -5
While I understand this is a prospect board, too many people want to trade players just for the sake of picking up prospects. Sometimes I feel as though there is a backwards mentality that the Red Sox MLB team purely exist to funnel prospects to their Minor League Affiliates. They have a chance for the second WC and it's not too far fetched. Once there anything can happen. Tends to happen more often when the team is in last place by the end of July.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 22, 2014 9:35:28 GMT -5
If we don't lose more than a game between now and the 31st I am all for not selling, maybe even buying, as farfetched as it is.
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