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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 26, 2014 8:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2014 10:29:31 GMT -5
So far,
Devers 2/2 w 2 2B BB
Guerra 2/3 w 2 2B
Devers with an error leading to all three unearned runs.
Basabe has yet to make an assist today but funny (to, me), he's in RF, Brentz is in LF.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 26, 2014 10:35:31 GMT -5
Very possible that Allen Webster gets scratched today and pitches tomorrow against the Rays with Peavy being traded.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 26, 2014 10:42:28 GMT -5
Very possible that Allen Webster gets scratched today and pitches tomorrow against the Rays with Peavy being traded. Certainly possible, but I would like to point out that there is a viable alternative: Steven Wright pitched only 3? IP (43 pitches) on Wednesday. |
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 26, 2014 11:00:41 GMT -5
Very possible that Allen Webster gets scratched today and pitches tomorrow against the Rays with Peavy being traded. Certainly possible, but I would like to point out that there is a viable alternative: Steven Wright pitched only 3? IP (43 pitches) on Wednesday. I'd rather go with Webster since he is on turn to go pending getting scratched tonight. Much higher upside and time for him to get a shot this year. |
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 26, 2014 11:01:49 GMT -5
Certainly possible, but I would like to point out that there is a viable alternative: Steven Wright pitched only 3? IP (43 pitches) on Wednesday. I'd rather go with Webster. Much higher upside and time for him to get a shot this year. Funny, I prefer Wright for exactly the same reason.  Let's see who Ben Cherington prefers... |
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 26, 2014 12:47:26 GMT -5
Another solid game for Devers, 2 doubles and a walk. Would be nice to see him promoted again to Lowell.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 26, 2014 13:15:40 GMT -5
I'd rather go with Webster. Much higher upside and time for him to get a shot this year. Funny, I prefer Wright for exactly the same reason. Let's see who Ben Cherington prefers... I don't think there's any solid argument for who has the higher upside. But Wright's floor appears to be considerably higher right now. He's been one of the very best pitchers in all of the minors, and he's doing it with stuff that actually translates better to MLB than the average AAA repertoire. ERAs normalized to league = 4.00 2.55 Tim Wakefield ERA in AAA, 1995 (25 IP) 2.50 Tim Wakefield ERA in MLB, 1995 (2.43 park-adjusted) 2.33 Steven Wright ERA in AAA, 2014 (64.2 IP) ?.?? How can you not want to find out? If this isn't Wright's "time to get a shot," when will that be? |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 26, 2014 14:02:51 GMT -5
Funny, I prefer Wright for exactly the same reason. Let's see who Ben Cherington prefers... I don't think there's any solid argument for who has the higher upside. But Wright's floor appears to be considerably higher right now. He's been one of the very best pitchers in all of the minors, and he's doing it with stuff that actually translates better to MLB than the average AAA repertoire. ERAs normalized to league = 4.00 2.55 Tim Wakefield ERA in AAA, 1995 (25 IP) 2.50 Tim Wakefield ERA in MLB, 1995 (2.43 park-adjusted) 2.33 Steven Wright ERA in AAA, 2014 (64.2 IP) ?.?? How can you not want to find out? If this isn't Wright's "time to get a shot," when will that be? Charlie Zink 2008 Pawtucket 14-6 2.84 174.1ip 144h 49bb 106k Boston 16.62ERA 4.1ip 11h 0bb 1k 2009 Pawtucket 5.59ERA 135.1ip 134h 93bb 47k |
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 26, 2014 14:19:09 GMT -5
Audition Webster and then trade him for a top prospect if he does well. Package him even but now is a very good time to audition someone.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 26, 2014 15:04:18 GMT -5
Hernandez is making the start tonight. Looks like Webster is getting called up.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 26, 2014 15:25:28 GMT -5
Not surprising, he is the right choice for the team.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 26, 2014 16:46:20 GMT -5
I don't think there's any solid argument for who has the higher upside. But Wright's floor appears to be considerably higher right now. He's been one of the very best pitchers in all of the minors, and he's doing it with stuff that actually translates better to MLB than the average AAA repertoire. ERAs normalized to league = 4.00 2.55 Tim Wakefield ERA in AAA, 1995 (25 IP) 2.50 Tim Wakefield ERA in MLB, 1995 (2.43 park-adjusted) 2.33 Steven Wright ERA in AAA, 2014 (64.2 IP) ?.?? How can you not want to find out? If this isn't Wright's "time to get a shot," when will that be? Charlie Zink 2008 Pawtucket 14-6 2.84 174.1ip 144h 49bb 106k Boston 16.62ERA 4.1ip 11h 0bb 1k 2009 Pawtucket 5.59ERA 135.1ip 134h 93bb 47kI love how you're always eager to disagree with me, even when your point is nonexistent and/or your argument is ludicrous. Charlie Zink had been throwing the knuckleball for at least eight years before 2008. His three previous seasons had been a 4.87 ERA in AA (plus a horrendous 10 AAA innings), a 4.03 ERA in AAA, and a 4.63 ERA in 2/3 AA, 1/3 AAA. In 2008 he switched his grip on the knuckler (I believe after talking to a Niekro) and threw up a 2.14 ERA over his first 15 starts, albeit with just a .140 K rate and .095 BB+HBP rate, and a .230 BABIP. We don't know what happened, but he suddenly turned back into a pumpkin and reverted to his mediocre self, posting a 3.94 ERA over the 10 starts before his recall. Steven Wright's three previous seasons are: his first ever throwing the knuckler, during which he went through four levels; a 2.44 ERA in AA (plus 3.15 in 4 AAA starts), and 3.46 in AAA. This year he's got a .212 K rate, an .062 BB+HBP rate, and a .218 BABIP. So you've got a longtime knuckleballing mediocrity who caught lightning in a bottle for half a season and got his MLB shot after it escaped, versus a knuckleball prodigy whose career has tracked Tim Wakefield's closely, except that he's clearly been better so far. I guess the short version is that there's really no comparison between these guys at all. Which of course is consistent with the fact that you tried to make one. |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 26, 2014 19:53:55 GMT -5
Charlie Zink 2008 Pawtucket 14-6 2.84 174.1ip 144h 49bb 106k Boston 16.62ERA 4.1ip 11h 0bb 1k 2009 Pawtucket 5.59ERA 135.1ip 134h 93bb 47kI love how you're always eager to disagree with me, even when your point is nonexistent and/or your argument is ludicrous. Charlie Zink had been throwing the knuckleball for at least eight years before 2008. His three previous seasons had been a 4.87 ERA in AA (plus a horrendous 10 AAA innings), a 4.03 ERA in AAA, and a 4.63 ERA in 2/3 AA, 1/3 AAA. In 2008 he switched his grip on the knuckler (I believe after talking to a Niekro) and threw up a 2.14 ERA over his first 15 starts, albeit with just a .140 K rate and .095 BB+HBP rate, and a .230 BABIP. We don't know what happened, but he suddenly turned back into a pumpkin and reverted to his mediocre self, posting a 3.94 ERA over the 10 starts before his recall. Steven Wright's three previous seasons are: his first ever throwing the knuckler, during which he went through four levels; a 2.44 ERA in AA (plus 3.15 in 4 AAA starts), and 3.46 in AAA. This year he's got a .212 K rate, an .062 BB+HBP rate, and a .218 BABIP. So you've got a longtime knuckleballing mediocrity who caught lightning in a bottle for half a season and got his MLB shot after it escaped, versus a knuckleball prodigy whose career has tracked Tim Wakefield's closely, except that he's clearly been better so far. I guess the short version is that there's really no comparison between these guys at all. Which of course is consistent with the fact that you tried to make one. You quoted Tim Wakefield's minor league ERA (for one year) and Boston ERA and Wright's ERA (for one year) with a "??" for his Boston ERA. Seemed like a weak argument, so I cited Zink's ERA (for one year). I definitely think that the Sox should be looking closely at Wright, and I trust that they are. What they see when they look at him should ail be added to what they can learn from his stats. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2014 19:56:28 GMT -5
It's kinda clear that we have a logjam of pitchers.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2014 20:40:08 GMT -5
So far;
Guerra 2/4 2 2B
Devers 2/3 2 2B BB
Marrero 3/3 2B
Shaw 1/2 2B BB
Coyle 2/3
Hudson 4/5 2 3B
Travis 1/4 HR
No Weems again
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Post by ejenson on Jul 26, 2014 21:10:45 GMT -5
Drive hang on to win 6-5 in Hagerstown
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Post by ianrs on Jul 26, 2014 21:13:51 GMT -5
Rafael Devers can just hit. Wow. I wonder if he gets a cup of coffee in Greenville by years end, because why not? He won't, but its fun to dream. Either way it'll be lots of fun to follow him next season (and the system as a whole for that matter, particularly if we end up with a top 10 pick). I truly can't remember a time where the farm system as a whole was stronger top to bottom than it is now. Not to mention the couple prospects we'll likely land at the deadline.
Also, Mookie with a HR for Pawtucket. Good to see him continue to roll along with regular PT in AAA.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2014 21:50:29 GMT -5
Mookie 2/5 HR
Marerro 4/4 2B
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Post by larrycook on Jul 26, 2014 22:08:51 GMT -5
I really feel good about marrero being our short stop next season.
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 26, 2014 22:29:17 GMT -5
I really feel good about marrero being our short stop next season. only question about him was would he be able to hit. If he can keep this up along with his elite defense we may have something. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2014 22:36:00 GMT -5
Hinojosa, Wilson, Layne 5IP 4H 0R 2BB 8K
Shaw 1/4 2B BB
Marrero 2R 3RBI
Hassan 2/3 BB
Middlebrooks 0/5
Lavarnway didn't play
Scott with another clean inning (he has a lot of those)
Haley & Littrell with decent outings
Asuaje now hitting .321 since promotion
Miller now hitting .315
Lorenzana 2/3 now hitting .438 (very SSS)
Jordan Betts average up to .303
Mike Meyers has been hitting well recently
Oscar Perez has been pitching well recently.
Guerra slash line now .304/.317/.471/.788. More discipline would go a long way, 2BB/17Ks.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 26, 2014 22:59:03 GMT -5
I really feel good about marrero being our short stop next season. only question about him was would he be able to hit. If he can keep this up along with his elite defense we may have something. Every hit he gets is another hole in WMB's sinking (quickly) life raft. Have a feeling WMB is long gone before the winter meetings commence. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2014 23:19:42 GMT -5
only question about him was would he be able to hit. If he can keep this up along with his elite defense we may have something. Every hit he gets is another hole in WMB's sinking (quickly) life raft. Have a feeling WMB is long gone before the winter meetings commence. I don't disagree with the general concept but WMB has been hitting the ball well at Pawtucket and not striking out a ton. Hopefully he'll keep doing that or get called up after the trade deadline and increase his value. Napoli's eventual replacement is also not beyond a possibility. Pawtucket has won 11 in a row and he's been a big part of that. Also speaking of 11, Layne is 11/11 in save ops. |
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Post by ejenson on Jul 27, 2014 6:39:38 GMT -5
How long will the Sox keep Alex Wilkerson at Lowell..Very good numbers thru two starts..
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