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Post by moonstone2 on Aug 7, 2014 21:13:28 GMT -5
Should he start next season at Salem? All polished college hitters should be starting at Salem. Especially those drafted early.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 7, 2014 21:14:04 GMT -5
Should he start next season at Salem? Yes. Both the official SP.com projection and my personal projection have SamTrav starting in Salem next year.
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Post by moonstone2 on Aug 7, 2014 21:16:26 GMT -5
So what about a few of weeks in Arizona this fall for Travis? It would certainly challenge him. At least a year too early, I think. Looking through the list of past AFL invitees, I don't see anyone with as little pro experience at as low a level as Travis. A bit of a push but they have had recent draftees in the fall league .
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Post by jmei on Aug 7, 2014 21:42:25 GMT -5
At least a year too early, I think. Looking through the list of past AFL invitees, I don't see anyone with as little pro experience at as low a level as Travis. A bit of a push but they have had recent draftees in the fall league . The Red Sox rarely push that aggressively, and even those teams that do usually only do so with guys who've had real playing time at high-A and/or are very high draft picks (read: top half of the first round-type guys).
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Post by moonstone2 on Aug 7, 2014 22:11:00 GMT -5
A bit of a push but they have had recent draftees in the fall league . The Red Sox rarely push that aggressively, and even those teams that do usually only do so with guys who've had real playing time at high-A and/or are very high draft picks (read: top half of the first round-type guys). Don't lecture me. The Red Sox haven' t had too many advanced college hitters as. prospects. In recent years to push. So it's not a comparable siuation. Yeah it's usually higher dratees.thar go but not that many college draftees dominate the NYPL either. He's obviously very advancecd and it's only a month or so. I don't think he'll break. If you were going to push a player it would be an advanced college hitter who played on the right on he drfensive spectrum. That's Travis.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 8, 2014 5:46:12 GMT -5
Easy there moonstone. Read what he wrote again. There was no lecturing in that post. If you read it that way you are being far too sensitive.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 8, 2014 6:11:16 GMT -5
I don't see any way Travis goes to the AFL. More likely he will be in instructs. Between the college season and his pro season he doesn't need the extra at bats in the AFL. Going to instructs is more valuable for him.
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Post by nexus on May 4, 2015 22:11:25 GMT -5
And Travis is right back to where he's performed at previous levels (.301/.355/.446) after a tough start. K rates are declining while XBHs are increasing. Not the sexiest profile due to swing path/physical limitations, but this guy is proving, once again, he can flat out hit. Definitely a fun guy to follow.
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Post by telson13 on May 5, 2015 16:38:02 GMT -5
And Travis is right back to where he's performed at previous levels (.301/.355/.446) after a tough start. K rates are declining while XBHs are increasing. Not the sexiest profile due to swing path/physical limitations, but this guy is proving, once again, he can flat out hit. Definitely a fun guy to follow. Salem isn't exactly a hitter's paradise either. If Travis keeps putting up his .300/.350/.450 lines for a couple of years, and develops just a little more power down the road (SLG .480-.500), he's a legitimate first-division starter. I'm hoping he puts in his time around the bag to become an above-average fielder.
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Post by larrycook on May 5, 2015 20:39:49 GMT -5
And Travis is right back to where he's performed at previous levels (.301/.355/.446) after a tough start. K rates are declining while XBHs are increasing. Not the sexiest profile due to swing path/physical limitations, but this guy is proving, once again, he can flat out hit. Definitely a fun guy to follow. Saw a couple of his games and his timing was really off. Seems like he is locked in now.
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 6, 2015 11:25:33 GMT -5
Is there any room for a light hitting first/third baseman? I mean we do not have many prospect options at first base, but where is Hanley going to play in 2 years? LF? HA! He will be our first baseman no doubt...so trade bait? What? Would anyone want him? Maybe...a smaller national league (budget wise) who value doubles? But maybe he will blow up, and show power that he doesn't have for a month or 2 and maximize his value...but otherwise...I thought when they drafted him it was a waste of a pic. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Post by jimed14 on May 6, 2015 11:42:21 GMT -5
Is there any room for a light hitting first/third baseman? I mean we do not have many prospect options at first base, but where is Hanley going to play in 2 years? LF? HA! He will be our first baseman no doubt...so trade bait? What? Would anyone want him? Maybe...a smaller national league (budget wise) who value doubles? But maybe he will blow up, and show power that he doesn't have for a month or 2 and maximize his value...but otherwise...I thought when they drafted him it was a waste of a pic. I hope he proves me wrong. DH is my pick.
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Post by danr on May 6, 2015 11:45:52 GMT -5
In another thread, I suggested Hanley be moved to 1B maybe even this year if Napoli doesn't recover, and because there isn't a ready replacement in the system. However, DH no doubt would be an even safer position for him. But that position may not be open for another year or two.
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Post by jmei on May 6, 2015 11:53:17 GMT -5
Is there any room for a light hitting first/third baseman? I mean we do not have many prospect options at first base, but where is Hanley going to play in 2 years? LF? HA! He will be our first baseman no doubt...so trade bait? What? Would anyone want him? Maybe...a smaller national league (budget wise) who value doubles? But maybe he will blow up, and show power that he doesn't have for a month or 2 and maximize his value...but otherwise...I thought when they drafted him it was a waste of a pic. I hope he proves me wrong. He was a late second-round pick. You're not getting guys who project to be first-division starters that late in the draft, it's only a question of whether you want a high-ceiling guy or a high-floor guy, and the Red Sox went with the high-floor guy (at least in part because they took two high-ceiling HS guys with their first two picks). You should never draft for need in the MLB draft, especially outside the top 10 overall or so, so the fact that he's a first baseman isn't really an issue for me. But even if you did care, it's not like the Red Sox have Anthony Rizzo locking down the position for the next half-decade-- Napoli is a free agent, and Hanley could either prove to stick in LF (I wouldn't write him off after his first month at the position) or, as mentioned, slide to DH, and there aren't many (really any) other 1B options ahead of Travis on the depth chart with even fringe starter potential. Finally, unlike guys like Shaw and Almanzar (who you might be thinking of), Travis is 1B-only all the way.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2015 12:02:20 GMT -5
I thought when they drafted him it was a waste of a pic. I'll co-sign jmei's post, and point out that if you think getting Travis at pick 67 was a waste, you may want to work on lowering your expectations. He was ranked 56th by BA and 66th by Perfect Game, and people who watched him often in college loved him. It's not like this was some random, Pat Light at #37 pick.
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Post by jimed14 on May 6, 2015 12:05:42 GMT -5
I don't think it'll be too much longer before he's promoted to Portland.
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Post by moonstone2 on May 6, 2015 17:39:50 GMT -5
I thought when they drafted him it was a waste of a pic. I'll co-sign jmei's post, and point out that if you think getting Travis at pick 67 was a waste, you may want to work on lowering your expectations. He was ranked 56th by BA and 66th by Perfect Game, and people who watched him often in college loved him. It's not like this was some random, Pat Light at #37 pick. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a wasted pick, but I will say that I don't like his profile. He's a college 1B with questionable power. Those types of guys rarely end up having much major league value though they always hit well in A ball because they are so advanced. No the Sox weren't going to get a surefire first division player there, but they could have gone for someone who either had greater tools though wasn't as advanced, or someone with more positional flexibility. The interesting thing about college 1B in the majors today, is that most of the successful ones, like Goldschmidt were not picked in the first five rounds. The last big time college 1B to make it to the majors and have a really good career was Texiera if I am not mistaken. The road just seems to be littered with rotting corpses of Michael Aubreys and Justin Smoaks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2015 17:55:48 GMT -5
I'll co-sign jmei's post, and point out that if you think getting Travis at pick 67 was a waste, you may want to work on lowering your expectations. He was ranked 56th by BA and 66th by Perfect Game, and people who watched him often in college loved him. It's not like this was some random, Pat Light at #37 pick. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a wasted pick, but I will say that I don't like his profile. He's a college 1B with questionable power. Those types of guys rarely end up having much major league value though they always hit well in A ball because they are so advanced. No the Sox weren't going to get a surefire first division player there, but they could have gone for someone who either had greater tools though wasn't as advanced, or someone with more positional flexibility. The interesting thing about college 1B in the majors today, is that most of the successful ones, like Goldschmidt were not picked in the first five rounds. The last big time college 1B to make it to the majors and have a really good career was Texiera if I am not mistaken. The road just seems to be littered with rotting corpses of Michael Aubreys and Justin Smoaks. Yeah not saying you need to like the pick, but it's not like they took him in the first round of something.
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Post by James Dunne on May 6, 2015 18:02:30 GMT -5
I'll co-sign jmei's post, and point out that if you think getting Travis at pick 67 was a waste, you may want to work on lowering your expectations. He was ranked 56th by BA and 66th by Perfect Game, and people who watched him often in college loved him. It's not like this was some random, Pat Light at #37 pick. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a wasted pick, but I will say that I don't like his profile. He's a college 1B with questionable power. Those types of guys rarely end up having much major league value though they always hit well in A ball because they are so advanced. No the Sox weren't going to get a surefire first division player there, but they could have gone for someone who either had greater tools though wasn't as advanced, or someone with more positional flexibility. The interesting thing about college 1B in the majors today, is that most of the successful ones, like Goldschmidt were not picked in the first five rounds. The last big time college 1B to make it to the majors and have a really good career was Texiera if I am not mistaken. The road just seems to be littered with rotting corpses of Michael Aubreys and Justin Smoaks. And didn't Teixeira play a lot of third at Georgia Tech? I do think it's worth noting that Travis fits a profile that the Red Sox rarely have picked so high. It's not like they're blowing picks on college first basemen annually or anything like that, they obviously liked Travis specifically. So I'm optimistic, at least catiously, that he may be a player.
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 7, 2015 8:48:28 GMT -5
Is there any room for a light hitting first/third baseman? I mean we do not have many prospect options at first base, but where is Hanley going to play in 2 years? LF? HA! He will be our first baseman no doubt...so trade bait? What? Would anyone want him? Maybe...a smaller national league (budget wise) who value doubles? But maybe he will blow up, and show power that he doesn't have for a month or 2 and maximize his value...but otherwise...I thought when they drafted him it was a waste of a pic. I hope he proves me wrong. He was a late second-round pick. You're not getting guys who project to be first-division starters that late in the draft, it's only a question of whether you want a high-ceiling guy or a high-floor guy, and the Red Sox went with the high-floor guy (at least in part because they took two high-ceiling HS guys with their first two picks). You should never draft for need in the MLB draft, especially outside the top 10 overall or so, so the fact that he's a first baseman isn't really an issue for me. But even if you did care, it's not like the Red Sox have Anthony Rizzo locking down the position for the next half-decade-- Napoli is a free agent, and Hanley could either prove to stick in LF (I wouldn't write him off after his first month at the position) or, as mentioned, slide to DH, and there aren't many (really any) other 1B options ahead of Travis on the depth chart with even fringe starter potential. Finally, unlike guys like Shaw and Almanzar (who you might be thinking of), Travis is 1B-only all the way. Well since you say Travis is the only 1B guy....why did he play LF last night? (Postion versatility I know! But you cannot make ''withoutadoubt' statements like that)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 7, 2015 9:23:29 GMT -5
He was a late second-round pick. You're not getting guys who project to be first-division starters that late in the draft, it's only a question of whether you want a high-ceiling guy or a high-floor guy, and the Red Sox went with the high-floor guy (at least in part because they took two high-ceiling HS guys with their first two picks). You should never draft for need in the MLB draft, especially outside the top 10 overall or so, so the fact that he's a first baseman isn't really an issue for me. But even if you did care, it's not like the Red Sox have Anthony Rizzo locking down the position for the next half-decade-- Napoli is a free agent, and Hanley could either prove to stick in LF (I wouldn't write him off after his first month at the position) or, as mentioned, slide to DH, and there aren't many (really any) other 1B options ahead of Travis on the depth chart with even fringe starter potential. Finally, unlike guys like Shaw and Almanzar (who you might be thinking of), Travis is 1B-only all the way. Well since you say Travis is the only 1B guy....why did he play LF last night? (Postion versatility I know! But you cannot make ''withoutadoubt' statements like that) Sam Travis. Not Travis Shaw. Fair mistake though ... although this is the Sam Travis thread.
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 9:24:55 GMT -5
Also, even if Sam Travis played LF in Salem, that's not exactly saying he can play anything other than 1B in the majors.
Miguel Cabrera was a shortstop too.
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Post by jmei on May 7, 2015 9:29:20 GMT -5
He was a late second-round pick. You're not getting guys who project to be first-division starters that late in the draft, it's only a question of whether you want a high-ceiling guy or a high-floor guy, and the Red Sox went with the high-floor guy (at least in part because they took two high-ceiling HS guys with their first two picks). You should never draft for need in the MLB draft, especially outside the top 10 overall or so, so the fact that he's a first baseman isn't really an issue for me. But even if you did care, it's not like the Red Sox have Anthony Rizzo locking down the position for the next half-decade-- Napoli is a free agent, and Hanley could either prove to stick in LF (I wouldn't write him off after his first month at the position) or, as mentioned, slide to DH, and there aren't many (really any) other 1B options ahead of Travis on the depth chart with even fringe starter potential. Finally, unlike guys like Shaw and Almanzar (who you might be thinking of), Travis is 1B-only all the way. Well since you say Travis is the only 1B guy....why did he play LF last night? (Postion versatility I know! But you cannot make ''withoutadoubt' statements like that) I might be missing something, but the box score says that he started at 1B last night, and Baseball-Reference suggests that he has only ever played 1B and DH during his minor league career.
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Post by mattpicard on May 7, 2015 10:28:06 GMT -5
To avoid further confusion between Travis Shaw and Sam Travis, assume that, as we do with most players, we're referring to them by last name.
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 11:21:18 GMT -5
To avoid further confusion between Travis Shaw and Sam Travis, assume that, as we do with most players, we're referring to them by last name. They need to get with the program and change their names to something cool like Xander, Mookie or Blake.
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