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Post by wskeleton76 on Sept 7, 2015 23:25:03 GMT -5
This site projects Travis to start next year at Portland again. His stats at Portland this year were remarkably similar to his stats at Salem. About the same number of games and at bats, etc. Since his stats at Salem were enough to earn him a promotion to Portland , I am not sure why his stats at Portland are not enough to earn him a promotion to Pawtucket to start next year. Since I assume Shaw will start next year with the Red Sox, it is not like he is blocked by another prospect at Pawtucket. I know that stats do not always equal performance, but the postings in this thread about his performance have been encouraging. I hope they push him to Pawtucket to begin the year so that he can be ready around the All Star break if Hanley can not handle first base or if Hanley or Ortiz were to get hurt. A Shaw/Travis platoon at first might not be bad. Travis needs to lift inside pitches for power. He always has good contact skills and improved his approach at the plate this season. But he is still hitting tons of GBs when he pulls. He is 1B man. Thus I think he better learn how to hit HRs in Portland before being promoted.
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Post by danr on Sept 7, 2015 23:31:22 GMT -5
Between Salem and Portland, Travis hit 32 2Bs, 6 3Bs and 9 HRs. He stole 19 bases. IN 548 PAs he struck out 77 times and walked 59 times. His OPS at Salem was .845 and it was .821 at Portland. His stats are among the best in the entire system. He should be at Pawtucket next year. Who else is going to play 1B there?
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 7, 2015 23:37:53 GMT -5
Between Salem and Portland, Travis hit 32 2Bs, 6 3Bs and 9 HRs. He stole 19 bases. IN 548 PAs he struck out 77 times and walked 59 times. His OPS at Salem was .845 and it was .821 at Portland. His stats are among the best in the entire system. He should be at Pawtucket next year. Who else is going to play 1B there? Yeah, you can fit just about anyone onto that roster if you want to. Regarding first base, I'll note that I think Brentz should start getting some looks there. His range is already pretty mediocre in the corner OF, and adding some first base to his resume could help expedite his journey to being a potential lefty-bashing 1B/OF bench bat. You'll probably have Cecchini still hanging around to play there if necessary too, and as I mentioned earlier, it's not out of the question that Shaw starts the season there. But sure, whenever they decide they want Travis to move up, none of these guys are going to get in his way -- it's just that it's not the type of positional hole where that itself will be a significant factor in deciding whether to promote him or not.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 8, 2015 5:31:06 GMT -5
This site projects Travis to start next year at Portland again. Hard to take those projections seriously, I mean they have Steven Wright in the Pawtucket rotation, and he's going to be out of options.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 8, 2015 7:22:06 GMT -5
Travis WILL be in Pawtucket next season......count on it. One of the reasons it took so long for the parent club to gather steam was the glacier type decisions Cherington and company made this season. DD has already pushed and prodded the organization much more and will continue to move people who have shown they are ready. No more coddling and hoping some folks who have been around several years eventually getting it. Guys like Travis, who has DEFINITELY shown he is a talented professional hitter, will not be stopped by a player or two who has not progressed.
Travis may not be ready in 2016, but Hanley (etc.) better show something special next year or be prepared to get knocked out of the way by someone who is capable and producing. If our 1st baseman in 2016 does not give us solid production, IMO Travis will be our 1st baseman in 2017 (maybe sooner).
I was a Cherington supporter (and Farrell), but the change of atmosphere has been very refreshing. DD has NO responsibility to anyone in our organization. He has a clean slate and no rose-colored glasses. The "spurt" we are experiencing, IMO, is not coincidental!
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 20, 2015 18:55:59 GMT -5
Travis WILL be in Pawtucket next season......count on it. One of the reasons it took so long for the parent club to gather steam was the glacier type decisions Cherington and company made this season. DD has already pushed and prodded the organization much more and will continue to move people who have shown they are ready. No more coddling and hoping some folks who have been around several years eventually getting it. Guys like Travis, who has DEFINITELY shown he is a talented professional hitter, will not be stopped by a player or two who has not progressed. Travis may not be ready in 2016, but Hanley (etc.) better show something special next year or be prepared to get knocked out of the way by someone who is capable and producing. If our 1st baseman in 2016 does not give us solid production, IMO Travis will be our 1st baseman in 2017 (maybe sooner). I was a Cherington supporter (and Farrell), but the change of atmosphere has been very refreshing. DD has NO responsibility to anyone in our organization. He has a clean slate and no rose-colored glasses. The "spurt" we are experiencing, IMO, is not coincidental! It appears the keepers of the projected roster page now agree with us. I see Travis is now projected for Pawtucket. I think he has a chance to platoon at first for the Red Sox during the second half of the year with Shaw if Hanley can't handle first and Travis does well at Pawtucket.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 20, 2015 21:09:04 GMT -5
Travis WILL be in Pawtucket next season......count on it. One of the reasons it took so long for the parent club to gather steam was the glacier type decisions Cherington and company made this season. DD has already pushed and prodded the organization much more and will continue to move people who have shown they are ready. No more coddling and hoping some folks who have been around several years eventually getting it. Guys like Travis, who has DEFINITELY shown he is a talented professional hitter, will not be stopped by a player or two who has not progressed. Travis may not be ready in 2016, but Hanley (etc.) better show something special next year or be prepared to get knocked out of the way by someone who is capable and producing. If our 1st baseman in 2016 does not give us solid production, IMO Travis will be our 1st baseman in 2017 (maybe sooner). I was a Cherington supporter (and Farrell), but the change of atmosphere has been very refreshing. DD has NO responsibility to anyone in our organization. He has a clean slate and no rose-colored glasses. The "spurt" we are experiencing, IMO, is not coincidental! The biggest difference has been the SP. Could it be that young players take time to develop? Why do you think it's not coincidental. Please explain why in your opinion you belief this.
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Sam Travis
Sept 20, 2015 21:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Sept 20, 2015 21:41:24 GMT -5
Travis WILL be in Pawtucket next season......count on it. One of the reasons it took so long for the parent club to gather steam was the glacier type decisions Cherington and company made this season. DD has already pushed and prodded the organization much more and will continue to move people who have shown they are ready. No more coddling and hoping some folks who have been around several years eventually getting it. Guys like Travis, who has DEFINITELY shown he is a talented professional hitter, will not be stopped by a player or two who has not progressed. Travis may not be ready in 2016, but Hanley (etc.) better show something special next year or be prepared to get knocked out of the way by someone who is capable and producing. If our 1st baseman in 2016 does not give us solid production, IMO Travis will be our 1st baseman in 2017 (maybe sooner). I was a Cherington supporter (and Farrell), but the change of atmosphere has been very refreshing. DD has NO responsibility to anyone in our organization. He has a clean slate and no rose-colored glasses. The "spurt" we are experiencing, IMO, is not coincidental! It appears the keepers of the projected roster page now agree with us. I see Travis is now projected for Pawtucket. I think he has a chance to platoon at first for the Red Sox during the second half of the year with Shaw if Hanley can't handle first and Travis does well at Pawtucket. If Travis starts the year at Pawtucket, he could be boston ready by August. With shaw able to play the infield corners, Travis could be a key if sandavol continues to implode. That makes my ultimate offseason sox goal to see dombrowski trade rameriez this offseason.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 20, 2015 23:45:22 GMT -5
There is little reason to think Travis will be more than a mediocre 1st baseman ever. He's a fall back. Anything is possible ( cough Shaw ) but there is little to indicate Travis is our guy at 1st long term. We are going to want better. If they don't think Hanley can fill that spot they maybe need to sign a FA or do a trade. I don't see them going into next year with the current options unless I'm wrong and they actually are projecting Hanley as their 1st baseman even with our ground ball oriented pitching staff.
Cherington's FA signings of Sandoval and Hanley have cost us a -3.7 WAR so far and commitments to over $170 mil in contracts. Wow. The guy they released to add Sandoval has a WAR value of .2 WAR. They could have signed no one and increased their WAR value by over 4 WAR. Talk about horrible decisions.
BTW, Hanley apparently has limited no trade protection. We may be stuck with him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 21, 2015 9:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 22, 2015 15:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Sept 26, 2015 16:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 22, 2016 15:48:22 GMT -5
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 22, 2016 18:33:27 GMT -5
His 60 hit tool is tied for the highest on the list. 60 hit/50 power is the same as numbers 2 and 3 (Josh Bell and Dom Smith).
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jan 22, 2016 18:57:39 GMT -5
And yet the projected roster section of this site has gone back to listing him as starting the year at Portland. For awhile that page had him projected to Pawtucket, but it now has him listed at Portland.I would think the Red Sox would want to start having him get AB's at AAA as soon as possible so that if Hanley doesn't work out at !B Travis might be ready during the second half of the year to platoon at !B with Shaw. And I can't see presence of Allen Craig, Brendan Bosch or Chris Dominguez at Pawtucket keeping them from starting Travis at AAA.
Could someone please explain why they think he will start at Portland? I would really like to know the reasoning.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 22, 2016 20:28:08 GMT -5
And yet the projected roster section of this site has gone back to listing him as starting the year at Portland. For awhile that page had him projected to Pawtucket, but it now has him listed at Portland.I would think the Red Sox would want to start having him get AB's at AAA as soon as possible so that if Hanley doesn't work out at !B Travis might be ready during the second half of the year to platoon at !B with Shaw. And I can't see presence of Allen Craig, Brendan Bosch or Chris Dominguez at Pawtucket keeping them from starting Travis at AAA. Could someone please explain why they think he will start at Portland? I would really like to know the reasoning. Whether he starts in Pawtucket or Portland won't change his timeline much if at all. He's not a finished product at this point. If the Sox feel he'd benefit from another couple hundred plate appearances in AA then that is where they'll put him. Could go either way.
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Sam Travis
Jan 22, 2016 22:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 22, 2016 22:50:57 GMT -5
The Sox should look into moving Sam to third base to maximize his value as a prospect and as a future full-time option for this team. Isn't Pawtucket usually the place where the Sox start moving players off their normal positions to create versatility at the major league level as what with happened with Sean Coyle, Cechinni, and Mookie?
If he could play third base, he would make the future of the third base position really interesting when we are talking Sam Travis versus Pablo Sandoval.
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Sam Travis
Jan 22, 2016 22:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jan 22, 2016 22:59:48 GMT -5
He probably doesn't have the athleticism to play 3B. Players rarely move up the defensive spectrum, especially if they're not great defenders at their original position. Travis Shaw was a rare semi-exception in that he showed potential at 3B, but that's rare.
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Sam Travis
Jan 22, 2016 23:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 22, 2016 23:02:35 GMT -5
He probably doesn't have the athleticism to play 3B. Players rarely move up the defensive spectrum, especially if they're not great defenders at their original position. Travis Shaw was a rare semi-exception in that he showed potential at 3B, but that's rare. How's his arm? You don't exactly need the most athletic player to play 3rd. For me Sam Travis as a third baseman is way more intriguing than as a first baseman. The Sox should at least toy around with the idea.
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Sam Travis
Jan 22, 2016 23:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 22, 2016 23:17:14 GMT -5
If used at third base, he could also make for a interesting platoon partner with Sandoval by the middle or end of 2016 if Sandoval continues to struggle against left handed pitching.
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Sam Travis
Jan 22, 2016 23:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jan 22, 2016 23:39:31 GMT -5
You need more athleticism at 3B than at 1B-- because the throws are longer, there's a much smaller margin for error. 3B also have more fielding chances than 1B because there are more RHH. If Travis had the athleticism to be passable at 1B, he certainly would have been tried there in his post-HS career. I think that ship has sailed.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 23, 2016 1:10:16 GMT -5
You need more athleticism at 3B than at 1B-- because the throws are longer, there's a much smaller margin for error. 3B also have more fielding chances than 1B because there are more RHH. If Travis had the athleticism to be passable at 1B, he certainly would have been tried there in his post-HS career. I think that ship has sailed. But if he has the arm and if he's good at handling ground balls, couldn't he be as passable as say a Troy Glaus (sp?) type at 3B? Maybe I'm overeating him as a defender but most balls hit at third are hard line drives. If he has a good first jump off the bat and can range even a little to his left and right, then shouldn't he be adequate while being a plus offensively? There's a reason they call it the hot corner. I just don't think it hurts the Sox to give it a look. If it's a disaster, at least you know he can play first base.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 23, 2016 2:04:23 GMT -5
You need more athleticism at 3B than at 1B-- because the throws are longer, there's a much smaller margin for error. 3B also have more fielding chances than 1B because there are more RHH. If Travis had the athleticism to be passable at 1B, he certainly would have been tried there in his post-HS career. I think that ship has sailed. But if he has the arm and if he's good at handling ground balls, couldn't he be as passable as say a Troy Glaus (sp?) type at 3B? Maybe I'm overeating him as a defender but most balls hit at third are hard line drives. If he has a good first jump off the bat and can range even a little to his left and right, then shouldn't he be adequate while being a plus offensively? There's a reason they call it the hot corner. I just don't think it hurts the Sox to give it a look. If it's a disaster, at least you know he can play first base. Glaus is a bad example. He was the #3 overall pick and played 18 games as SS in the major leagues after playing both SS/3B as an amateur. Travis is much less heralded, much less athletic and is moving from the other direction on the defensive spectrum.
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Post by gerry on Jan 23, 2016 3:22:01 GMT -5
But if he has the arm and if he's good at handling ground balls, couldn't he be as passable as say a Troy Glaus (sp?) type at 3B? Maybe I'm overeating him as a defender but most balls hit at third are hard line drives. If he has a good first jump off the bat and can range even a little to his left and right, then shouldn't he be adequate while being a plus offensively? There's a reason they call it the hot corner. I just don't think it hurts the Sox to give it a look. If it's a disaster, at least you know he can play first base. Glaus is a bad example. He was the #3 overall pick and played 18 games as SS in the major leagues after playing both SS/3B as an amateur. Travis is much less heralded, much less athletic and is moving from the other direction on the defensive spectrum. Besides, Travis Shaw actually did play some 3B coming up, and is more likely to succeed there in 2016 if needed. However, if Deven Marrerro can hit a lick this year, boy would he be a great 3B.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 23, 2016 4:13:41 GMT -5
But if he has the arm and if he's good at handling ground balls, couldn't he be as passable as say a Troy Glaus (sp?) type at 3B? Maybe I'm overeating him as a defender but most balls hit at third are hard line drives. If he has a good first jump off the bat and can range even a little to his left and right, then shouldn't he be adequate while being a plus offensively? There's a reason they call it the hot corner. I just don't think it hurts the Sox to give it a look. If it's a disaster, at least you know he can play first base. Glaus is a bad example. He was the #3 overall pick and played 18 games as SS in the major leagues after playing both SS/3B as an amateur. Travis is much less heralded, much less athletic and is moving from the other direction on the defensive spectrum. Travis has been improving defensively since being first signed. Maybe the Glaus comp is a terrible one but not all third baseman needs to be Josh Donaldson on defense. Give me a adequate glove with Sam Travis's bat and see where it goes. Maybe he becomes a slug by the time he reaches his late 20's and needs to move off the position but *hopefully* by that time he develops enough raw power to stick ar first base anyways.
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