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Post by larrycook on Jul 28, 2014 20:49:48 GMT -5
Felix is out of options right? I'm on my phone so can't check. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Regardless doubront does not want to be a reliever . Time to move him to the rotation or out the door.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2014 20:50:01 GMT -5
Felix is out of options right? I'm on my phone so can't check. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah that's why he's been in the rotation for 3 years now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2014 20:52:55 GMT -5
I think they have to shut Clay down until September and let him rest for a month. Bring him back at the end of year and see what he looks like. They have done this every year, with the same results. His mechanics are slightly off which seems to happen every time he gets hurt. It takes him too long to find them again.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 28, 2014 20:53:15 GMT -5
They have done this every year, with the same results. Buchholz has a giddy up in his shoulder. He is not able to slot his arm or command pitches. Clay's giddy up is between his ears. The dude is 30 and a professional athlete yet still doesn't't understand nutrition. I heard an interview in spring training where he was talking about having to change his eating habits.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 28, 2014 20:57:39 GMT -5
Need to find a mythical injury for both Doubront and Bucholz, then bury them both until rosters expand 9/1. Nobody is going to give up anything for him based on his miserable performance this season and can't picture him being tendered as arbitration eligible either.
Bucholz is another animal. Him they have got to try and get repaired over the winter with 10m owed.
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Post by terriblehondo on Jul 28, 2014 21:09:29 GMT -5
The injuries could be to the neck from snapping their heads to see where the latest rocket will land.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 28, 2014 21:29:46 GMT -5
That was one ugly loss.
Do the sox dl Buchholz and give workman or ranauldo get a shot?
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 28, 2014 23:34:44 GMT -5
That was one ugly loss. Do the sox dl Buchholz and give workman or ranauldo get a shot? How about we release Buchholz instead?
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 28, 2014 23:56:53 GMT -5
Or convert him to the outfield.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 29, 2014 0:41:06 GMT -5
I know Hatfield talks of the Sox resigning Ross next year, but the guy is difficult to watch as good as he still is behind the plate. He can barely move out anymore. His legs look shot at this point.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 29, 2014 2:37:58 GMT -5
I know Hatfield talks of the Sox resigning Ross next year, but the guy is difficult to watch as good as he still is behind the plate. He can barely move out anymore. His legs look shot at this point. Second that. It's like Mirabelli all over again with age catching up to him it seems and like it happened overnight. He didn't even look this way earlier in the season. Maybe (hopefully) it's the plantar fascilitis that's causing it, though hard to imagine that causing all the issues. Ross just looks terrible out there. IMO, Farrell needs to let Vazquez catch everyone except Lester.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 29, 2014 4:37:06 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 10m
Felix Doubront(7 15 11 11 3 7 July) wants to start. Lowell is a short drive.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 29, 2014 4:54:11 GMT -5
I know Hatfield talks of the Sox resigning Ross next year, but the guy is difficult to watch as good as he still is behind the plate. He can barely move out anymore. His legs look shot at this point. Second that. It's like Mirabelli all over again with age catching up to him it seems and like it happened tovernight. He didn't even look this way earlier in the season. Maybe (hopefully) it's the plantar fascilitis that's causing it, though hard to imagine that causing all the issues. Ross just looks terrible out there. IMO, Farrell needs to let Vazquez catch everyone except Lester. JH solved that for ya. Get rid of Lester. Won't need Ross any longer. Can go with Butler as the back-up until Swihart is ready.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 29, 2014 8:39:03 GMT -5
Can we talk about Doubront's mental issues now? It's not the yips, it's focus. I'm not saying he's much better than the starter we had earlier this year, but despite what Farrell says, I don't think he's gone out and pitched hard since being moved to the bullpen. He's been kind of a bum. I think the Sox should keep him in the 'pen and see if he can get it through his skull that pitching is pitching and doing it well is the only thing that will get him paid.
As for Buchholz, the nutrition thing is worrisome, but I don't think it extends to his ears. Kid needs to actually hit a gym and get better nutrition. Vitamin supplements aren't going to overcome a diet of burgers and french fries.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 9:01:34 GMT -5
No, we can't talk about mental anything. Every pitcher who sucks doesn't have a mental problem. I mean the league would be filled with Randy Johnsons if that were the case.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 9:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2014 9:06:57 GMT -5
Can we talk about Doubront's mental issues now? It's not the yips, it's focus. I'm not saying he's much better than the starter we had earlier this year, but despite what Farrell says, I don't think he's gone out and pitched hard since being moved to the bullpen. He's been kind of a bum. I think the Sox should keep him in the 'pen and see if he can get it through his skull that pitching is pitching and doing it well is the only thing that will get him paid. As for Buchholz, the nutrition thing is worrisome, but I don't think it extends to his ears. Kid needs to actually hit a gym and get better nutrition. Vitamin supplements aren't going to overcome a diet of burgers and french fries. Buchholz reportedly changed his nutrition and workouts over the winter, FWIW. One thing I did notice, he no longer has the rosin on his forearm, which he used to touch after touching his wet hair before every pitch. Being that he has always said he's a feel pitcher, I wonder if he or the team got gun-shy after the 10 game suspension handed out to Pineada, which was for pine-tar (verboten) as opposed to rosin, which is allowed.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2014 9:23:01 GMT -5
No, we can't talk about mental anything. Every pitcher who sucks doesn't have a mental problem. I mean the league would be filled with Randy Johnsons if that were the case.Wait, it's not? From what I hear the every pitcher with stuff but no command is Randy Johnson and every pitcher with command but no stuff is Greg Maddux.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 9:29:09 GMT -5
No, we can't talk about mental anything. Every pitcher who sucks doesn't have a mental problem. I mean the league would be filled with Randy Johnsons if that were the case.Wait, it's not? From what I hear the every pitcher with stuff but no command is Randy Johnson and every pitcher with command but no stuff is Greg Maddux. Every pitcher like Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux have mental fortitude and everyone else is a headcase.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 29, 2014 9:51:14 GMT -5
The kid refused to talk to reporters yesterday. He's outwardly displaying his unwillingness to pitch out of the bullpen. He asked for a trade for god sakes!! A guy with a 5.18 ERA and little history of MLB success asked for a trade!!! He's not trying. That's a mental mistake! espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/39245/doubront-digs-himself-a-deeper-holeAs for Buchholz, I think the nutrition thing he did this winter was start taking supplements. I'll try to find it. ADD: The links I found didn't jive with my memory. He has been cutting back on fast food. He still says "But I'm just trying to make sure that's it not all crap food. I'm just trying to do more with good food. If I'm making it myself at home, I grill and that's basically it." I dunno if that's the same as eating healthy, but I suppose it's a step in the right direction. So, we can forget the comment I made about him I guess.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 29, 2014 10:17:18 GMT -5
I think it's more likely that a guy with a 4.82 career ERA just isn't that great at pitching.
When someone reaches the major leagues and doesn't play well, we too often look to answers other than "he's just not good enough." I'm not sure if it's because the visible gap between a solid major leaguer and a below average one isn't so big? Or if it's instead because anyone who plays long enough in the majors does so because he's had some string of success and people think that the successful version of that player is who he should be consistently? The latter absolutely the case with Doubront, who has been occasionally excellent but usually below average.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 10:18:42 GMT -5
The guy struggles to hit 90 now and he was hitting 94-95 when he came up. His control hasn't improved much.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2014 11:28:25 GMT -5
I think it's more likely that a guy with a 4.82 career ERA just isn't that great at pitching. When someone reaches the major leagues and doesn't play well, we too often look to answers other than "he's just not good enough." I'm not sure if it's because the visible gap between a solid major leaguer and a below average one isn't so big? Or if it's instead because anyone who plays long enough in the majors does so because he's had some string of success and people think that the successful version of that player is who he should be consistently? The latter absolutely the case with Doubront, who has been occasionally excellent but usually below average. Doubront had an impressive stretch last year and there was talk of this representing a shift in his "true talent" level. In other words, the odds that he'd be able to pitch as well as he did for as long as he did based on luck alone basically rounded to zero. And because it almost certainly wasn't luck, that meant is was real and sustainable. The problem is that while it was real, that in no way implies it was sustainable. The problem is that player performance doesn't just vary on BABIP luck and the like. Talent itself can vary wildly within fairly short spans of time. Being a fifth starter doesn't mean you never pitch like a #2. It means you pitch like a #2 with some frequency. Just not as often as an actual #2, but often enough to make people think you should pitch like that all the time. Part of the illusion is that when a superstar gets goes crazy for a months and bats .380 with a dozen homers, it's easy to realize that he's not going to sustain that, because no one sustains that. It's clear that he's on a streak. But when, say, Brock Holt goes crazy and bats .300 with some doubles power, it looks real because plenty of players do maintain that kind of performance for years at a time. But really, Brock Holt hitting .322/.370/.449 in June is the same thing as Mike Trout hitting .361/.471/.759 in June. A .750 slugging makes it obvious that the performance isn't sustainable, whereas a .450 slugging seems totally reasonable. But the reality is that both players are experience a period where their ability is greater than it normally is, and at some point they'll see the other side of that. And Mike Trout will still be a fantastic player even when he's slumping, whereas we'll all be cursing Farrell's loyalty of Holt once he has a two month stretch of hitting .250 with no power or walks.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 14:09:04 GMT -5
The Mike Carp showcase tour rolls on. He plays again tonight.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 14:15:54 GMT -5
The Mike Carp showcase tour rolls on. He plays again tonight. We played you, that's why we couldn't trade you.
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