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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 30, 2014 16:43:38 GMT -5
We don't know who that player is yet but maybe it's a moving target and if Doubront does fairly well in the next month for the Cubs maybe it will be a better player than we think. It's hard to believe they couldn't get more than a rule 5 pick. It's got to be more than that. Let's be patient and see what it comes up as.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 30, 2014 16:45:27 GMT -5
Deal is official
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jul 30, 2014 16:52:12 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 30, 2014 16:56:10 GMT -5
We don't know who that player is yet but maybe it's a moving target and if Doubront does fairly well in the next month for the Cubs maybe it will be a better player than we think. It's hard to believe they couldn't get more than a rule 5 pick. It's got to be more than that. Let's be patient and see what it comes up as. You would think, right? On the other hand character flaws seem to come out when times get tough. In this case it is for the team and Doubront personally. It looks like one of those addition by subtraction/send a message type of things....Sox cutting bait and using it for chum to get rid of the odor. I can't believe that Peavy can get us a couple of hoped-fors and yet the Dodgers (by rumor) will not include ANY of their tops prospects for Lester. Pittsburgh has a lot of top prospects according to BA and yet even including Josh Bell (rated #7 pre-season) gets resistance. Lester's impending FA and his public statements about willing to return are likely anchors in this process. This year, he has undoubtedly been at the top of all MLB pitchers, is LH and has a damn near impeccable post season record. OK, so re-sign him at market or just below the top offers. We are not selling assets just to get rid of them....Doubront notwithstanding.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2014 17:10:49 GMT -5
There was potential, but this is a player with two seasons in this organization that were lost because he failed to properly prepare during the offseason. Once he reacted to being moved to the bullpen by whining, then screw it, get him off the roster.
Fwiw, the team didn't HAVE to trade him to open a roster spot. They easily could have optioned De La Rosa, and if they needed to juggle, Ranaudo and Wright could have come up for a spot start or two until things lined up.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 30, 2014 17:25:36 GMT -5
or optioned Webster and penciled in Ranaudo/Lester for the next time they have a TBD. They really don't need 5 starters until SAT 8-9. Which could be Webster, even.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 30, 2014 17:32:41 GMT -5
This is a move that was going to happen regardless of the other SP deals with the Sox. He had essentially given up trying with Boston. They hoped that if he showed up ready to go prior to this season, he could develop into a middle of the rotation arm at low $. But he didn't, and put the Sox in a bad situation demanding a trade and being pissed he was in the pen. Get anything for him, and open up a roster spot
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 30, 2014 17:43:08 GMT -5
godot is going to be quite unhappy with this trade. Back in April he was comparing Doubie to Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, and Randy Johnson. Do they all have the same middle initial?
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 30, 2014 17:51:34 GMT -5
The player to be named later in the Doubront deal is probably going to be Michael Bowden
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Post by redsox1534 on Jul 30, 2014 18:48:35 GMT -5
Doubrount is a very talented lefty. He has good velocity and good off-speed stuff. His command is avg at best. He does have some attitude problems but they are minor from what I gather. Id be mad too if I was a SP and got switched to RP because of the poor start so far this year. He has proven he needs to be given every chance to start. I dont no I have ever seen a SP with more bad luck then this guy. He couldnt get a close strike if his life depended on it. Not to mention I always felt like something went wrong all the time like errors etc.
I am a big fan of DOubrount and if he can get a little more searious in the offseason and figure a couple things out on the mound we will regret this trade. Unless this PTBNL turns out to be a good prospect, like Vogelbach Ill be real upset we traded him for nothing.
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Post by polarbear91 on Jul 30, 2014 19:06:17 GMT -5
That is some serious rose colored glasses. At one point you could dream on what he could become and it would be generous to say he showed it in flashes. But he did not fail because of bad luck, close calls or errors . He failed here because he did not pitch well enough for long enough. Couple that with a seeming indifference to work on his craft or conditioning in the offseason and attitude where he thought he was entitled to more of a role and you have this exact end result. Sad and disappointing but fitting.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 30, 2014 19:07:21 GMT -5
^ THIS
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 19:12:48 GMT -5
I was way more excited about Doubront when he was sitting 94 than 89-90 like he is now.
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Post by atzar on Jul 30, 2014 20:01:41 GMT -5
Expected him to get traded. Bummed that it was most likely for nothing noteworthy, but were I a rival GM I'd be in no hurry to give up genuine value for him either. So I get it.
Good luck Felix.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2014 20:13:51 GMT -5
Too bad the Sox weren't able to get anything of value for him. His terrible pitching and lousy attitude negated that chance.
I never thought he'd take that next step to being a top notch starter. So it's no big loss.
But it wasn't all bad. He was at his best when it mattered the most - last year in the World Series. It was strange, but I felt a lot better in Game 3 and 4 when he came in to relieve. I know Peavy and Buchholz didn't exactly inspire confidence, but I had an odd sense of confidence in Doubront and I don't know why. He settled both games down and gave the Sox a chance to win both and was rewarded with the win in Game 4. He was an underrated World Series asset out of the bullpen last year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 30, 2014 20:39:24 GMT -5
godot is going to be quite unhappy with this trade. Back in April he was comparing Doubie to Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, and Randy Johnson. Do they all have the same middle initial? Who are three people who've never been in my kitchen?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 30, 2014 20:40:56 GMT -5
I'm still hopeful they get something decent for him. A 3rd round pick or something. The guy was a mlb starter in a championship rotation for a while. He's not throwaway material. I've never been a huge advocate of his but we should have been able to get something decent for him. He may be a #3 or 4 in San Diego. It could be that they wanted to move him bad and as an arb eligible guy now maybe he is not worth his future contract but it shouldn't be that expensive. He's worth a decent prospect one would think in today's market with pitching in such demand.
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Post by polarbear91 on Jul 30, 2014 20:46:29 GMT -5
Hopefully true but I wonder if his recent pouts and grumbling sabotaged that. Hence the Chris Hatfield retweet of Gammons from a cubs source.....one last chance to grow up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2014 20:54:49 GMT -5
I'm still hopeful they get something decent for him. A 3rd round pick or something. The guy was a mlb starter in a championship rotation for a while. He's not throwaway material. I've never been a huge advocate of his but we should have been able to get something decent for him. He may be a #3 or 4 in San Diego. It could be that they wanted to move him bad and as an arb eligible guy now maybe he is not worth his future contract but it shouldn't be that expensive. He's worth a decent prospect one would think in today's market with pitching in such demand. You realize draft picks aren't tradeable, right?
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Post by theolearyfactor on Jul 30, 2014 21:18:53 GMT -5
The player to be named later in the Doubront deal is probably going to be Michael Bowden I'll see you your Bowden and raise you a Cervenka.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 30, 2014 21:49:21 GMT -5
Do they all have the same middle initial? Who are three people who've never been in my kitchen? Atta boy, Cliffy.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 30, 2014 22:29:33 GMT -5
Doubront needed to go.
Clearly he had become an issue.
I wish him the best against the other 28 teams.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 30, 2014 23:06:33 GMT -5
I'm still hopeful they get something decent for him. A 3rd round pick or something. The guy was a mlb starter in a championship rotation for a while. He's not throwaway material. I've never been a huge advocate of his but we should have been able to get something decent for him. He may be a #3 or 4 in San Diego. It could be that they wanted to move him bad and as an arb eligible guy now maybe he is not worth his future contract but it shouldn't be that expensive. He's worth a decent prospect one would think in today's market with pitching in such demand. You realize draft picks aren't tradeable, right? Yes, I meant a guy who was not considered a stud when drafted but has some value. Maybe a Coyle type guy who has been both up and down. Someone like one of the guys we got for Peavy. 3 years of control for Doubront should be worth something more than a replacement level player. Good quick analysis on Doubront here: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/red-sox-old-front-office-trades-for-red-sox-player/
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 30, 2014 23:22:26 GMT -5
I like this. I used to love Felix stuff and him as prospect, but didn't care at all for the MLB pitcher he became. While we didn't gain anything, we got better by not having to continue to bet on his mediocrity and mental related things.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 31, 2014 5:34:33 GMT -5
Goodbye Felix, I'll never forget Parmelee hammering you when you were both in the GCL.
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