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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 31, 2014 9:03:26 GMT -5
Whatever on the 2015 free agency for him. I'd expect the Red Sox to try to extend him if possible which Oakland would have never done.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 31, 2014 9:04:27 GMT -5
So right now we have to have the best defensive outfield in the game. Cespedes in shallow LF (Range + Routes) with a cannon, Bradley in CF, and Victorino in RF.
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Post by lancect on Jul 31, 2014 9:04:41 GMT -5
Cespedes for one year and a draft pick is not enough for our hero Jon Lester
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 31, 2014 9:04:49 GMT -5
A year and a half of Cespedes and a pick for Lester and Gomes... Only like it if they resign Lester.
Cespedes isn't a player I like but maybe he will destroy Fenway.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2014 9:05:15 GMT -5
1yr of control for Cespedes and a lottery ticket? FAIL for now, unless they are flipping Cespedes right away in a bigger package.
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2014 9:05:23 GMT -5
Only 1+ years of control, but we can extend him, offer him a QO or trade him (hello, Stanton!) My mind state as well. And I think the AL East and Fenway are great places for Cespedes to be. |
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Post by lennsakata on Jul 31, 2014 9:05:39 GMT -5
Meh, .737 OPS last year .767 OPS this year...about a .750 OPS over his last 900 at bats. Not all that exciting, we'll still suck next year. Why are you conveniently leaving out the .861 OPS in his rookie year? Just seems less relevant, doesn't it? You see his .767 OPS this year and you look back at last year's .737 and say that's a good, sizeable and the most recent sample. Besides it becomes a little easier to exploit a guy after you get a book on him. Would you really argue his last 900 at bats is not a large enough sample? |
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Post by jmei on Jul 31, 2014 9:05:59 GMT -5
Ok, can someone who is very close to the situation clarify whether or not he will be a FA after next year or not? I see different sources and different posters all saying something different. Can we get a 100% definite on his contract situation? He is 100% only signed through 2015. |
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 31, 2014 9:06:30 GMT -5
Cespedes for one year and a draft pick is not enough for our hero Jon Lester Better than not trading him, not signing him and getting a draft pick. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 31, 2014 9:07:54 GMT -5
So it looks like just one more year of control. I see. Can someone with a much smarter brain, looks, and Google abilities be able to tell me how Cespedes numbers are adjusted moving between Oakland's pitchers paradise to Fenway's line drive hitters dream?
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 31, 2014 9:08:22 GMT -5
Cespedes for one year and a draft pick is not enough for our hero Jon Lester Yes it is. Clearly, because the Red Sox traded "our hero (not sure how that adds value to a player...okay it doesn't but this is hypothetical forum garbage so I'll play along)" for that. And why are we pretending that we now won't sign Cespedes? We haven't been afraid to re-sign the majority of our players in the past. It's one scenario where we didn't want to give Lester 7 years, $140+ million contract, so now everyone is going to pretend like we haven't recently given out extensions to guys like Pedroia, Ortiz, Napoli, etc. |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2014 9:09:14 GMT -5
If you look at what the Cubs got for Garza, this is a complete fail barring some stupendous follow-up move.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2014 9:09:15 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 3m
The #RedSox also sending along less than $1 million in the deal to the #Athletics.
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Post by raftsox on Jul 31, 2014 9:09:16 GMT -5
Smart move by BC actually. I don't really care for the return all that much, but if they are serious about trying to re-sign Lester in the offseason then he was smartly traded to a team that cannot afford him; making that "exclusive negotiating window" irrelevant.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 31, 2014 9:09:55 GMT -5
Good chance his BAPIP has been low in the last 2 years. Also very probable the league has learned how to pitch him but those foul ball areas in Oakland hurt every player's average. The guy could well be a moose in Fenway and the pick is huge. I really think he is a good fit in Fenway, the kind of right handed pop we have missed badly. And I've gotta believe they think they can extend him if they want. Really astute trade to me now that they get the pick. And they clearly are focused on winning in 2015. They are not in long term rebuild mode. I'm in now.
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Post by lancect on Jul 31, 2014 9:10:08 GMT -5
2 minutes ago lancect said:
Cespedes for one year and a draft pick is not enough for our hero Jon Lester
Better than not trading him, not signing him and getting a draft pick.
I just think they could have done better, unless it really is a three way. Doesn't some other team want Cespedes NOW and willing to pay for a 1+ years for him: All those teams looking at Byrd,etc... Ben's gotta be on the phone finalizing another deal, right?
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Post by trotnixonforever on Jul 31, 2014 9:10:22 GMT -5
This is a great haul. 2 month rentals aren't worth much in the open market even if it's the best pitcher available. Red Sox could always sign Lester in the offseason. It's not like Oakland has the money to keep him.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 31, 2014 9:10:50 GMT -5
Is it confirmed that an agreement not to offer him arb still allows them to offer the Qualifying Offer (draft pick)?
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 31, 2014 9:11:36 GMT -5
I love it! For both teams actually, and also for Lester who gets a shot at another WS. Who else could we have playing OF for the Red Sox?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 31, 2014 9:11:35 GMT -5
Part of me thinks that fan pressure not to trade Lester played a part in getting a big name player back. I don't like this deal, but it is still better than not trading him, which I thought was going ot happen 2 weeks ago.... Meh, let's see if we can rob somebody with Lackey or Miller.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 31, 2014 9:12:30 GMT -5
Lackey is sticking around, sign Castillo, sign Lester back, and go for it again in 2015.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2014 9:12:40 GMT -5
Smart move by BC actually. I don't really care for the return all that much, but if they are serious about trying to re-sign Lester in the offseason then he was smartly traded to a team that cannot afford him; making that "exclusive negotiating window" irrelevant. That meme is a complete and utter pipe dream, but let's assume it is all…part…of the…plan. The WHY would you get a guy for 1 year of control instead of a prime prospect in a position of need for 6. To be frank, straight up for Piscotty or someone similar would've been a better return than this. Cherrington either badly misplayed his hand or he has another move to make. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 31, 2014 9:12:43 GMT -5
Why are you conveniently leaving out the .861 OPS in his rookie year? Just seems less relevant, doesn't it? You see his .767 OPS this year and you look back at last year's .737 and say that's a good, sizeable and the most recent sample. Besides it becomes a little easier to exploit a guy after you get a book on him. Would you really argue his last 900 at bats is not a large enough sample? Oh okay, I see we are just arbitrarily manipulating the stats to back up your own point. That's cool. I'll end the conversation that. Not really worth discussing if that is what we are doing. |
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Post by soxfan1615 on Jul 31, 2014 9:12:48 GMT -5
Nice Trade! Sets us up to come right back next year and go for it. Sorry I doubted Ben
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Post by atzar on Jul 31, 2014 9:13:11 GMT -5
Warming to this deal. Cespedes is a good player at a position of need who seems tailor-made for Fenway. Optimistic about our chances of signing him beyond 2015 if we choose to do so. The draft pick is a decent little throw-in.
Also, we put Lester in a place where he's very unlikely to resign, so the chance to grab him back up in the offseason is as alive as it was ever going to be.
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