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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 17, 2015 18:36:54 GMT -5
Nathan Kirby leaves the game after 3 innings.
@cavdailysports: Kirby threw only 38 pitches and was sharp, so you have to assume this is injury related, but I cannot stress enough that we know nothing yet
With the way this spring has gone, not a good sign.
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Post by boomer on Apr 17, 2015 18:47:19 GMT -5
Nathan Kirby has been underrated this season. UVA's defense isn't as good as last year. He only pitched 3 shutout innings tonight against a good Miami team in Charlottesville and was then removed for reasons so far unknown. I will find out for sure tomorrow. Although not as good this year, Kirby's ceiling might be higher than you think. You have to hope that his peak last season wasn't the pinnacle of his career: www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24514539/u-of-virginias-nathan-kirby-no-hits-pitt-strikes-out-18With proper handling, he might be one of the safest picks at 7.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 17, 2015 23:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 18, 2015 9:00:54 GMT -5
Nathan Kirby has been underrated this season. UVA's defense isn't as good as last year. He only pitched 3 shutout innings tonight against a good Miami team in Charlottesville and was then removed for reasons so far unknown. I will find out for sure tomorrow. Although not as good this year, Kirby's ceiling might be higher than you think. You have to hope that his peak last season wasn't the pinnacle of his career: www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24514539/u-of-virginias-nathan-kirby-no-hits-pitt-strikes-out-18With proper handling, he might be one of the safest picks at 7. There's no question that Kirby has a high ceiling. His stuff is nasty and he has a proven track record. The BA guys had a great discussion on him in their podcast (again, it is worth listening to). Kirby's command seems to come and go and it's not something that he has shown any progress with (unlike Funkhouser who has improved his command this year). Additionally, he has pitched in a pitcher-friendly park for his college career and comes from a UVA system that for the most part has not produced much in the way of proven starting pitchers. I'm not saying he doesn't have the ceiling to be one of the best players in this draft, but I would completely disagree with your categorization that he is one of the safest picks. Now a good argument for me is who everyone wants more at #7 if they had to chose between Kirby and Fulmer. I'm kind of divided, but I think at this point I'm leaning towards Fulmer because he has shown improvements and worked deep into games throwing a very good three pitch mix. I think at worst he is an 8th inning shutdown reliever and at best he is a dynamic Tim Lincecum-type pitcher.
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Post by boomer on Apr 18, 2015 9:36:57 GMT -5
Here is the report about Kirby's injury: www.dailyprogress.com/cavalierinsider/cavaliers-lose-kirby-in-win-over-hurricanes/article_ba532122-e574-11e4-8b9a-7bb32b86a83d.htmlThe strained lat can be a blessing in disguise in the sense that it isn't an arm injury and will cause Kirby to rest for a few weeks in a taxing season. This injury, if it isn't worse than reported, should not affect Kirby's draft stock that much if you are debating picking the several pitchers who will need to "redshirt" because of their Tommy John surgery. I personally scouted Funkhouser v. Kirby several Saturdays ago. Through 7 innings, they were fairly even with Kirby tiring first. Funkhouser had greater velocity during the course of the game and pitched better than Kirby that day. What I saw made them close enough in my eyes to believe that they were even enough in heir ability that the result might have been different in another game. The consensus is that Kirby will almost surely be there at pick #7 but maybe not. Funkhouser and Fulmer have rising draft stocks while Kirby has generally slid because his 2015 season, though good, hasn't been as dominating as his 2014 season. Even if this is a weaker than usual draft, there is a consensus that Funkhouser, Fulmer and Kirby are in a tier of college aces who might be available to the Sox at pick 7. It is unlikely that all 3 will be drafted before pick 7 but it's possible. Depending on who goes 1-6, it seems likely that at least 1 if not all 3 of these relatively safe picks will be there for the Sox to choose. However, in the aftermath of Ball's no hitter and general maturing as a prospect, I can see them going for a higher risk - higher ceiling HS choice simply because, as was obvious from their expenditure for Moncada, the Sox will gamble to get truly elite prospects when such opportunities arise. This is likely to be the last top 10 amateur draft pick that the Sox will have for a while so, no matter what, they will try to swing for the fences when it's their turn to pick.
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Post by boomer on Apr 18, 2015 16:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 19, 2015 8:51:12 GMT -5
What are you guy's thoughts on local kid Chris Shaw?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Apr 19, 2015 10:17:43 GMT -5
What are you guy's thoughts on local kid Chris Shaw? Got to love that POWER! No idea how he looks in the field. Love to have him drafted by us, but I would believe in little I've seen he will be a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 19, 2015 11:06:02 GMT -5
@kileymcd: The #2 prospect in the draft, UC Santa Barbara righty Dillon Tate, has been scratched from his start this weekend. Sounds like lat strain.
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Post by taftreign on Apr 19, 2015 15:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 19, 2015 17:41:40 GMT -5
I like Kyle Tucker as a "swing for the fences type of pick".
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 20, 2015 9:37:43 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Apr 20, 2015 9:40:48 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 20, 2015 12:02:35 GMT -5
From his chat today:
Comment From Ryan Starting to feel like Fulmer to the Red Sox. You want to dream on him being like Gray or Stroman, but the delivery screams bullpen. After taking a northern HS arm in Trey ball, could you see them doing the same with Mike Nikorak?
Kiley McDaniel I think they're leaning college at #7, but they'll take the best player. I expanded my thoughts today on BOS and Fulmer in the draft rankings that came out on Friday. BOS/Fulmer looks like a rumor that won't go away between now and draft day, and that's who I'd take if the top 5 guys I ranked aren't there.
Comment From mike What odds would you put on Carson Fulmer establishing himself as a starter in the pros?
Kiley McDaniel I'd say 65-70% or so. Industry as a whole I'd bet would say 35-40% but some scouts may be a little higher than me that know him more personally.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2015 12:14:42 GMT -5
I think I might be inclined to go for Allard at underslot if he doesn't pitch before the draft. He might be the best pitcher in the whole draft. He could be like Aiken, with less serious injury risk. The main risk would be not seeing him pitch in the few months he will have been hurt.
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 21, 2015 13:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Apr 21, 2015 14:19:38 GMT -5
A question to those of you who are knowledgeable about scouting. If the Sox are to pick the best player available - which is what many - including me - think they should do, isn't it difficult to compare high school and college players?
People undergo considerable changes between the mid to late teens and the early 20s, physically, mentally and psychologically. It seems to me that in evaluating a high school player those changes have to be taken into consideration to do a fair comparison with a more fully developed college player. How is that done?
I am asking about factors other than the obvious ones such as the basic tools. A kid may be a great hitter in high school but that doesn't mean he will adjust to more advanced pitching. What if a kid continues to grow, and many do? How will that impact various tools?
It seems to me that drafting any high school kid, other than the once in a generation type, carries with it far more risk, and, of course, more development time. A college kid who has excelled at a much higher level seems like a better bet.
I know things such as floors and ceilings are used but they seem to me to be highly subjective, and from reading many evaluations by different writers of many players, there often are huge variances of opinion of these. So, I can't see them being taken very seriously when there is a divergence of opinion.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2015 14:39:08 GMT -5
One thing that sticks out for me is the number of kids throwing upper 90s now. A lot of them never seem to reach that later on because it's not sustainable if they want to actually command the pitch. There must be some secret to throwing so fast that they've all learned. I bet someone like Porcello could throw 95-97 if he didn't care where it went. Works great in high school and a lot of colleges but not in professional baseball. I'm growing more skeptical about these fancy new 99mph toys.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 21, 2015 20:40:22 GMT -5
Virginia Baseball ?@uvabaseball NEWS: Nathan Kirby to miss approx 6-8 weeks with left lat strain.
Ouch.
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Post by mjammz on Apr 21, 2015 20:40:54 GMT -5
Virginia Baseball @uvabaseball NEWS: Nathan Kirby to miss approx 6-8 weeks with left lat strain.
Draft's 6 1/2 weeks away. Shuts Kirby down until then. Another blow to the top of the Pitching Class.
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Post by nomar on Apr 21, 2015 20:45:47 GMT -5
Looking less and less likely that Bregman even makes it to us sadly. Fulmer is fine by me though, and pedro got me into Tucker although we've had little-to-no connection to him.
Give me one of Bregman, Fulmer, Tucker, and Allard and I'm happy enough.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 21, 2015 21:48:55 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, Kiley McDaniel is kind of selling me on the idea of Fulmer.
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Post by nomar on Apr 22, 2015 0:52:44 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, Kiley McDaniel is kind of selling me on the idea of Fulmer. Fulmer reminds me of Stroman in some ways, although he obviously never got moved to relief. It's like Kiley says, it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing, but his stuff, durability and results just haven't faltered. Wouldn't be a bad pick at all. I remember how bad I wanted him signed the first time around.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Apr 22, 2015 6:47:20 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, Kiley McDaniel is kind of selling me on the idea of Fulmer. Fulmer reminds me of Stroman in some ways, although he obviously never got moved to relief. It's like Kiley says, it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing, but his stuff, durability and results just haven't faltered. Wouldn't be a bad pick at all. I remember how bad I wanted him signed the first time around. He did look nasty in Columbia, SC against the Gamecocks on TV. I liked his aggressiveness. I too would be fine with him as our pick. Allard would be great also.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 22, 2015 13:28:59 GMT -5
Law's chat today:
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