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Red Sox 2013 Draft Discussion
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Post by remember04 on Oct 7, 2012 13:56:21 GMT -5
Oh, we kind of agree then. Couldn't read that on your first post though. Basically you'd like a defense first catcher but still with offensive upside, and feel Swihart projects the other way around. Yes, I think/hope Swihart stays at catcher where he's raw but has the ability to be good. His offense is so good that people talk about moving to third or the outfield already to "protect his bat" in other words not let him wear out his knees catching. I would target A catcher guaranteed to stay at catcher defensively with offensive skills to be at least average to above average. The Fedex type with all D and no offense I'd like to avoid. Questions about Salty and Lavarnway defensively scare me off of future all offense catchers too. The next time my gut tells me this could be taken the wrong way I'll reword things.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 7, 2012 21:34:35 GMT -5
I have a hypothetical question.
The Sox have the #7 pick, not just in the first round, but in every round. Let's say this winter they don't sign any huge free agents that cost a pick, and enter next year with a relatively small (for them) payroll and a pretty large dollar cap for signing prospects from the 2013 draft because of their low position. With lots of teams perhaps pulling back on signability guys with the new spending limits for draftees, could anyone envision the Sox trying to go for broke in next year's draft, selecting and signing a whole raft of signability guys, blowing far beyond their assigned dollar cap, and simply paying the penalty because they have lots of unspent money available?
Or maybe the 2013 draft doesn't have enough truly quality players available for a strategy like that to make sense. It would be preferable to try it in a year with a better draft. But with the opportunity for bigger allowable bucks to begin with because of the bad season and the high draft status (which we may or may not see again for awhile -- who knows) and the advantageous position of picking before most teams in each round, it is possible that 2013 represents a unique opportunity to try to game the system in that way.
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Post by remember04 on Oct 7, 2012 21:40:29 GMT -5
I have a hypothetical question. The Sox have the #7 pick, not just in the first round, but in every round. Let's say this winter they don't sign any huge free agents that cost a pick, and enter next year with a relatively small (for them) payroll and a pretty large dollar cap for signing prospects from the 2013 draft because of their low position. With lots of teams perhaps pulling back on signability guys with the new spending limits for draftees, could anyone envision the Sox trying to go for broke in next year's draft, selecting and signing a whole raft of signability guys, blowing far beyond their assigned dollar cap, and simply paying the penalty because they have lots of unspent money available? Or maybe the 2013 draft doesn't have enough truly quality players available for a strategy like that to make sense. It would be preferable to try it in a year with a better draft. But with the opportunity for bigger allowable bucks to begin with because of the bad season and the high draft status (which we may or may not see again for awhile -- who knows) and the advantageous position of picking before most teams in each round, it is possible that 2013 represents a unique opportunity to try to game the system in that way. One of the mods here (sorry but I don't remember who) did an analysis of this exact scenario and concluded that it would actually be worth it to do just that however he didn't think they would and neither do I. Even in additional years where you don't have a first round pick because of this tactic he had still concluded iirc that this tactic was worth it. The analysis was based on using the current CBA rules on previous drafts to determine who we could've gotten.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 9, 2012 10:55:44 GMT -5
I'd completely forgotten about the Competitive Balance picks. For reference, here's the first three rounds (106 picks), pre-free agency, courtesy of BA:
First Round 1. Astros 2. Cubs 3. Rockies 4. Twins 5. Indians 6. Marlins 7. Red Sox 8. Royals 9. Pirates (for failure to sign 2012 first-rounder Mark Appel) 10. Blue Jays 11. Mets 12. Mariners 13. Padres 14. Pirates 15. Diamondbacks 16. Phillies 17. Brewers 18. White Sox 19. Dodgers 20. Cardinals 21. Tigers 22. Angels 23. Rays 24. Orioles 25. Rangers 26. Athletics 27. Giants 28. Braves 29. Yankees 30. Reds 31. Nationals
Competitive Balance Lottery Round 1 32. Royals 33. Marlins (acquired from Pirates on July 31) 34. Diamondbacks 35. Orioles 36. Reds 37. Tigers (acquired from Marlins on July 23)
Second Round 38. Astros 39. Cubs 40. Rockies 41. Twins 42. Indians 43. Marlins 44. Red Sox 45. Royals 46. Blue Jays 47. Mets 48. Mariners 49. Padres 50. Pirates 51. Diamondbacks 52. Phillies 53. Brewers 54. White Sox 55. Dodgers 56. Cardinals 57. Tigers 58. Angels 59. Rays 60. Orioles 61. Rangers 62. Athletics 63. Giants 64. Braves 65. Yankees 66. Reds 67. Nationals
Competitive Balance Lottery Round 2 68. Padres 69. Indians 70. Rockies 71. Athletics 72. Brewers 73. Marlins (acquired from Tigers on July 23)
Third Round 74. Astros 75. Cubs 76. Mets (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Teddy Stankiewicz) 77. Rockies 78. Twins 79. Indians 80. Marlins 81. Red Sox 82. Royals 83. Blue Jays 84. Mets 85. Mariners 86. Padres 87. Pirates 88. Diamondbacks 89. Phillies 90. Brewers 91. White Sox 92. Dodgers 93. Cardinals 94. Tigers 95. Angels 96. Phillies (for failure to sign 2012 second-rounder Alec Rash) 97. Rays 98. Orioles 99. Rangers 100. Athletics 101. Giants 102. Braves 103. Yankees 104. Reds 105. Nationals
Supplemental Third Round 106. Athletics (for failure to sign 2012 third-rounder Kyle Twomey)
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Post by mjammz on Oct 9, 2012 20:14:00 GMT -5
Drew Ward who is the #2 HS prospect for the 2014 draft accoring to Perfect Game, says there is a 95% chance he will graduate early and enter the 2013 draft.
Great news for the Red Sox. Another top quality player that will either push one of the top 6 down or could be there for the Red Sox to select.
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Post by vmoss on Oct 9, 2012 21:28:59 GMT -5
What are the slot amounts for the Sox picks (#7, 44, 81 etc)? Thanks
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Post by jdb on Oct 9, 2012 23:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by remember04 on Oct 10, 2012 0:35:50 GMT -5
Drew Ward who is the #2 HS prospect for the 2014 draft accoring to Perfect Game, says there is a 95% chance he will graduate early and enter the 2013 draft. Great news for the Red Sox. Another top quality player that will either push one of the top 6 down or could be there for the Red Sox to select. Are you trying to make me think I'm crazy? I thought something was wrong when I found the exact same post in more than one thread.
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Post by charliezink16 on Oct 10, 2012 3:28:35 GMT -5
I was interested in if this kid was the next "big thing", considering he is thinking of foregoing his senior year to enter the draft. I found only two informative tweets to disregard that notion. (Don't know Crawford, so not sure of his reliability). keithlaw @keithlaw Yes. Has to go to JC. Not a first rounder though. "@willinghamandch: @keithlaw think drew ward ends up in 2013 class? thedailyelkcitian.com/elk-city-oklahoma-area-sports-schools/1901-drew-ward-q95-percent-chanceq-he-will-graduate-early-enter-2013-mlb-draft …" Christopher Crawford @crawfordchrisv Folks, I say this with all due respect, but Drew Ward isn't an elite prospect in 2013 or 2014. Wouldn't make my top 25 this year.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 10, 2012 9:03:18 GMT -5
Jim Callas in a Q+A gave the following approximate figures for the 2013 draft. Can someone please let me know why the amounts do not follow worse record to best? Why are we only at this figure and, say, Kansas City is so much higher and have a better record?
1. Astros ($10,880,000) 2. Cubs ($9,822,500) 3. Rockies ($9,490,700) 4. Twins ($7,700,700) 5. Indians ($7,693,000) 6. Marlins ($8,870,700) 7. Red Sox ($6,341,900) 8. Royals ($7,741,200) 9. *Pirates ($8,226,500) 10. Blue Jays ($5,941,300) 11. Mets ($6,487,300) 12. Mariners ($5,694,600) 13. Padres ($6,330,400) 14. Pirates (see above) 15. Diamondbacks ($6,766,200) 16. Phillies ($5,601,800) 17. Brewers ($5,660,200) 18. White Sox ($4,864,100) 19. Dodgers ($4,780,900) 20. Cardinals ($4,698,300) 21. Tigers ($6,035,500) 22. Angels ($4,584,300) 23. Rays ($4,525,900) 24. Orioles ($5,940,000) 25. Rangers ($4,419,900) 26. Athletics ($5,541,900) 27. Giants ($4,317,500) 28. Braves ($4,266,800) 29. Yankees ($4,216,300) 30. Reds ($5,596,600) 31. Nationals ($4,116,500)
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Post by sarcasmo on Oct 10, 2012 9:11:56 GMT -5
Can someone please let me know why the amounts do not follow worse record to best? Why are we only at this figure and, say, Kansas City is so much higher and have a better record? Perhaps to account for the Competetive Balance picks?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 10, 2012 10:28:17 GMT -5
Can someone please let me know why the amounts do not follow worse record to best? Why are we only at this figure and, say, Kansas City is so much higher and have a better record? Perhaps to account for the Competetive Balance picks? I can see that, but how about the Mets?
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Post by gatortough on Oct 10, 2012 10:53:16 GMT -5
Perhaps to account for the Competetive Balance picks? I can see that, but how about the Mets? Extra third round pick?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 10, 2012 11:55:11 GMT -5
Mets have a pick for not signing Teddy Stankiewicz (#76) as Chris points out above.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 10, 2012 12:27:42 GMT -5
Steve and others,
Why is it that last year the Sox had 6.884 allotted and this year at pick #7 have 1/2 million less in allotment??
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Post by elguapo on Oct 10, 2012 12:33:22 GMT -5
Steve and others, Why is it that last year the Sox had 6.884 allotted and this year at pick #7 have 1/2 million less in allotment?? Last year we got an allocation to sign the comp picks for losing Papelbon.
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Post by soxcentral on Oct 10, 2012 12:33:54 GMT -5
Steve and others, Why is it that last year the Sox had 6.884 allotted and this year at pick #7 have 1/2 million less in allotment?? I do not know the actual answer, but last year we had two #1's and a supplemental pick. This year as it stands we have 1 first-rounder only, which although having a singular allotment greater than any of last year's picks is maybe not as high as all 3 #1/1s picks in totality?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 10, 2012 13:09:08 GMT -5
Steve and others, Why is it that last year the Sox had 6.884 allotted and this year at pick #7 have 1/2 million less in allotment?? I do not know the actual answer, but last year we had two #1's and a supplemental pick. This year as it stands we have 1 first-rounder only, which although having a singular allotment greater than any of last year's picks is maybe not as high as all 3 #1/1s picks in totality? Thanks guys for helping see why. I guess it makes some sense. I sure miss being able to spend a zillion.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 10, 2012 13:34:39 GMT -5
As of right now (and that is very hard to do), I'd draft...... * the best college starter available, or * Austin Meadows
Have you ever noticed how successful Georgia is in producing really good positional players? I like Meadows' tools a lot!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 11, 2012 9:45:40 GMT -5
Steve and others, Why is it that last year the Sox had 6.884 allotted and this year at pick #7 have 1/2 million less in allotment?? Last year we got an allocation to sign the comp picks for losing Papelbon. Well, this info just sort of bursts the entire next year's draft balloon for me. Last year all the Sox could do is sign a reasonable pick to roughly slot in the first round, go significantly over slot on one other guy, and make a whole lot of picks that were generally undistinguished. Next year's draft may well be more of the same, except for one high pick. Sorry, I can't get excited about a draft because of one high pick. It's one potentially good player, and it isn't ordinarily anything like the level of comfort about eventual contribution that comes with a #1 or #2 pick. Maybe the best strategy is to pick some nonentity at #7, sign him for $5K, then spread all the leftover money around on several signability picks in the lower rounds.
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Post by nomar on Oct 11, 2012 10:23:00 GMT -5
I love Manaea and Stanek.
But the positional players i like are Bryant, Meadows, Frazier, and Wilson.
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Post by jmei on Oct 11, 2012 11:54:07 GMT -5
I consolidated some of our existing draft threads. All draft-related discussion--early scouting reports, news/rumors, draft strategy, etc.--should all go here.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 11, 2012 12:10:49 GMT -5
keithlaw @keithlaw
Today, pretty low. RT @ryanalbrecht_: @keithlaw what are the chances Manaea is hanging around by the 7th pick?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 11, 2012 13:12:31 GMT -5
Geo (Wash. DC) . . . If you had the Red Sox's 7th pick who would you consider at that spot? . . .
Klaw . . . Best player available at the 7th pick might be one of the Georgia HS bats, Meadows or Frazier, or a college arm outside of the top three. It's a weird spot to pick in unless the class improves a lot between now and June.
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Post by glassox on Oct 11, 2012 13:55:05 GMT -5
Can someone either give me a link or a simple explanation on draft pick trades? Didnt MLB make it possible to trade them now? Not suggesting the sox trade just wondering.
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