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Red Sox 2013 Draft Discussion
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 3, 2012 20:21:18 GMT -5
Qualifying offers went to:
Michael Bourn Josh Hamilton Hiroki Kuroda Adam Laroche Kyle Lohse Rafael Soriano Nick Swisher B.J. Upton
and, of course, Ortiz, who is going to sign.
Sign me up for... none of them.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 3, 2012 20:35:42 GMT -5
Qualifying offers went to: Michael Bourn Josh Hamilton Hiroki Kuroda Adam Laroche Kyle Lohse Rafael Soriano Nick Swisher B.J. Upton and, of course, Ortiz, who is going to sign. Sign me up for... none of them. I agree and if they're smart Upton Kuroda Laroche and maybe Soriano will accept. I think we know Hamilton isn't but any of the others I can see not accepting as backfiring on them.
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Post by mainesox on Nov 3, 2012 21:31:26 GMT -5
Greinke didn't get a qualifying offer? That surprises me.
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Post by jmei on Nov 3, 2012 21:54:07 GMT -5
He couldn't-- Greinke was traded mid-season, and only players who were on their team the whole season can be given the qualifying offer. Anibal Sanchez is another player who couldn't get a QO who would otherwise get one.
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Post by mainesox on Nov 3, 2012 22:34:07 GMT -5
Oh right, this new CBA is still screwing me all up. Thanks.
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Post by jdb on Nov 8, 2012 15:40:08 GMT -5
This is from Laws chat today about Stewart. espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46000Jeff Sullivan (Belchertown, MA) How strong is the football commitment for Kohl Stewart? With a good spring could you see him going top 5 next year? Klaw (1:21 PM) I think he'd go top 10, if not top 5, right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 17:13:16 GMT -5
i'd draft a college pitcher who has the stuff to be an ace
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 9, 2012 9:36:10 GMT -5
i'd draft a college pitcher who has the stuff to be an ace And I'd love to date a supermodel with the brains of a Rhodes Scholar and the comic chops of Louie CK. Doesn't mean that's going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 13:13:37 GMT -5
there should be good pitchers at #7
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 9, 2012 18:12:41 GMT -5
Apparently non of the players accepted the QO so that means 8 draft picks as compensation potentially.
What I need from those in the know to clarify is that I've heard that if a team not picking in the top 10 signs one of these guys the 1st round pick of that team disappears into thin air but does anybody know if the value of the pick goes into thin air too or does it have a bump-up effect for the subsequent picks going up in value?
I know my english lacks a bit but if anybody understand what I'm asking and can help me understand the new rules I'd really appreciate it.
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Post by jmei on Nov 9, 2012 21:59:54 GMT -5
If I'm reading you right, yes. The other picks bump up by one if a draft pick is forfeited. It won't affect the Red Sox though since they draft 7th and no top 6 draft picks can be forfeited.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 10, 2012 12:44:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the slot values are for the picks themselves, no matter who has them or what round they're in. The slot value for the #31 pick, for example, has the same value whether it stays with the Nationals as the last pick of the first round or falls into the comp round to some team because of QO free agent signings.
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Post by bentossaurus on Nov 13, 2012 16:47:48 GMT -5
Extra burn if you sign a FA then.
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Post by brentl on Nov 13, 2012 18:37:43 GMT -5
The Draft from now to june is going to change but as of right now I want the guy who I think is the best player in the draft an that imo is Clint Frazier. He could go in top 3 or top 10 so we have a shot at him an should come draft day. I no every one wants SP an so do I but I also dont want to reach on a player an want the best player available. We are in a position to take the best player available.
Kohl Stewrt is in a postion were right now he could go top 10 or 30 or fall all depends on how well he perfroms in the spring an how strong his commitment to A&M is. Lot of people consider him top RH HS P some even consier him the best HS P period at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 19:01:10 GMT -5
Going totally off topic, but exactly who are all of the guys across the top of the soxprospects.com page?
Middlebrooks, Doubront, ?, Masterson, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Pedroia, ?, Lester, Papelbon, Youk, Trot, Tek, Nomar, ?,?,?,?,?,?
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Post by polarbear91 on Nov 13, 2012 20:00:58 GMT -5
OK, time to show your true age. Across the top:
Middlebrooks, Doubrant, Bard, Masterson, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Delcarmen, Lester, Papelbon, Youkilis, Nixon, Varitek, Nomar, Mo Vaughn, Mike Greenwell, Ellis Burks, Clemens, Boggs, Rice, Lynn, Fisk.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 13, 2012 20:10:57 GMT -5
Going totally off topic, but exactly who are all of the guys across the top of the soxprospects.com page? Middlebrooks, Doubront, ?, Masterson, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Pedroia, ?, Lester, Papelbon, Youk, Trot, Tek, Nomar, ?,?,?,?,?,? The hell with them, who's the cutie in the ad on the left?
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Post by charliezink16 on Nov 13, 2012 22:14:55 GMT -5
The Draft from now to june is going to change but as of right now I want the guy who I think is the best player in the draft an that imo is Clint Frazier. He could go in top 3 or top 10 so we have a shot at him an should come draft day. I no every one wants SP an so do I but I also dont want to reach on a player an want the best player available. We are in a position to take the best player available. Kohl Stewrt is in a postion were right now he could go top 10 or 30 or fall all depends on how well he perfroms in the spring an how strong his commitment to A&M is. Lot of people consider him top RH HS P some even consier him the best HS P period at this point. Agree with this completely. A starting pitcher would be nice, but you absolutely never draft for need in the MLB. As of right now, arguably no pitcher who should be available at #7 has the ceiling of some of the top bats in the draft. Not to mention that our state of pitching prospects is so much better with the additions of De La Rosa and Webster than it was before. Boston is a team that can spend a lot of money, so you don't draft a college pitcher like Jonathan Crawford IMO, I'd go with the top player, even if it's a HS bat like Meadows or Frazier and wait the 3-5 years on him considering he has the chance to be a bigger impact with a higher ceiling.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 17, 2012 20:39:11 GMT -5
With the bonus pool implications does anybody see us taking a different approach in the draft if we sign one or more compensation eligible free agents? Just talking out loud here but say we sign Hamilton and Swisher we'd lose two picks and the money associated with them. Could they go more conservative with their picks in that event to try and make sure the get "something" out of this draft and instead of picking a couple risky high upside guys?
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Post by patrmac04 on Nov 18, 2012 20:07:22 GMT -5
With the bonus pool implications does anybody see us taking a different approach in the draft if we sign one or more compensation eligible free agents? Just talking out loud here but say we sign Hamilton and Swisher we'd lose two picks and the money associated with them. Could they go more conservative with their picks in that event to try and make sure the get "something" out of this draft and instead of picking a couple risky high upside guys? They went very conservative this year and overslotted for Ty Buttrey... so I see them doing the exact same thing. They will draft mainly college pitchers who are 6' 6" and higher with projectable frames. Sent from my SGH-T999 using proboards
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Post by jdb on Nov 20, 2012 0:00:50 GMT -5
Fangraphs on a recent Florida visit. for some reason Whitson scares me. Injuries are a concern. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/reports-from-florida-gators-scout-day/Crawford came out of nowhere last season hitting 98 mph often and flashing a plus slider while he slowly integrated a changeup as the season wore on. All systems were go in his two-inning outing, as all three pitches and his location were crisp. Crawford sat 92-94, hitting 95 with above-average two-seam life, backing it up with an 84-86 mph slider with three-quarter break and sharp, late darting action, flashing 65 potential (on the 20-80 scouting scale). His 84-86 mph changeup has improved and turned over consistently, flashing plus potential to give Crawford three plus pitches, among the best stuff in the draft class. Whitson has a durable, athletic 6’4, 225 pound frame with a little projection remaining, a clean arm action, and a big fastball that hit 95 multiple times, so it’s easy to see why he went 9th overall to the Padres in the 2010 draft. Whitson worked 92-95 in his two-inning appearance with some life down in the zone and solid location. He backed it up with an 85-87 mph slider with 11-to-5 shape and occasional late bite that was easily above average and may be plus in time but his feel waned for the pitch as he’d get around it at times. Whitson’s changeup was 83-84 mph and while he relied mostly on the slider, his changeup was a little crisper and showed plus potential with sink, fade and consistent fastball arm speed.
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Post by jdb on Nov 20, 2012 13:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 15, 2012 13:18:03 GMT -5
Doing more research into this draft and its really meh, wrong year to have this high a pick. But I did like some guys that could be there at 7th.
Kris Bryant is athletic and could be a power hitting RF, has shown good plate discipline in college and has light-tower power.
Colin Moran is a really good hitter and has great plate discipline. He doesn't have great HR power for the hot-corner but hits for a lot of extra base hits and has usable power.
Kohl Stewart is a prototypical HS RHP with a great frame and good mechanics. He is a highly rated QB recruit for Texas A&M but with Johnny Manziel and another QB recruit named Kenny Hill who also plays baseball and is more in the Manziel mold I think he could be swayed to play baseball. Just a theory not a fact.
Austin Meadows. I like Clint Frazier more but Meadows is still a worthy pick. He's younger and has that big projectable frame for him to look scary in a few years. He sort-of looks like Josh Hamilton.
Clinton Hollon missed much of the summer due to injury but he's well known to scouts. He is short but has an electric arm with one of the hardest velocities in the class. The Red Sox have been looking for big strong guys so he doesn't fit much that profile.
Jonathon Crawford. Well the Red Sox have been loving the gator lately and Crawford has the stuff to go this high. He has an upper 90's fastball and a hard slider that give hitter fits. He also has a funky delivery so I don't how that would affect evaluations from the Sox.
Austin Wilson is what he was in HS, an uber athletic OF with issues at the plate. His approach needs refinement but with a big spring he could go even higher than 7th.
There are more that could move up around this range and change who I feel won't be available at 7th but this are the guys I've been researching on. Guys like Trey Ball, Karsten Whitson, Kevin Zimoek, Oscar Mercado, Dominic Smith.
I didn't mention guys like Frazier, Manea, Stanek and Appel because at this point I don't see as likely to fall to #7th. Though as I said above there is enough talent below to blow this up.
I would really really like the Sox to come away with Manea or Frazier. Sweet dreams.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 2, 2013 18:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jan 3, 2013 15:17:45 GMT -5
Keith Law in his chat today:
Q: How does this draft stack up as compared to the previous few years? I've noticed a lot of high school catchers but possibly not as many high ceiling pitchers? Klaw (1:59 PM) Weak. Right now it's lighter than 2012's draft, especially on the HS side.
I've read this from a few other evaluators as well. Given that there are gems to be found in every draft there is a caveat to this, but also recall last year's draft was called by many the worst talent-wise in a dozen or more years.
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