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Post by ramireja on Jan 3, 2013 15:42:44 GMT -5
Keith Law in his chat today: Q: How does this draft stack up as compared to the previous few years? I've noticed a lot of high school catchers but possibly not as many high ceiling pitchers? Klaw (1:59 PM) Weak. Right now it's lighter than 2012's draft, especially on the HS side. I've read this from a few other evaluators as well. Given that there are gems to be found in every draft there is a caveat to this, but also recall last year's draft was called by many the worst talent-wise in a dozen or more years. Maybe so, but there were a number of guys picked at #7 or later from last year who have already made big splashes in the prospect rankings: Max Fried, David Dahl, Courtney Hawkins, Addison Russell, Michael Wacha, etc. Bottom line: I think even if this is a 'weak' draft year by relative standards, a prospect with the talent to be an eventual top 100 prospect should be available with the #7 pick.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 3, 2013 15:58:50 GMT -5
Definitely, there will be talent available at 7.
Last year at this time the same sentiment was express about the 2012 draft and while it didn't progress into an all-timer it did progress enough were there were a number of interesting prospects.
It will come down to the Red Sox doing their scouting well.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 3, 2013 17:21:21 GMT -5
Keith Law in his chat today: Q: How does this draft stack up as compared to the previous few years? I've noticed a lot of high school catchers but possibly not as many high ceiling pitchers? Klaw (1:59 PM) Weak. Right now it's lighter than 2012's draft, especially on the HS side. I've read this from a few other evaluators as well. Given that there are gems to be found in every draft there is a caveat to this, but also recall last year's draft was called by many the worst talent-wise in a dozen or more years. I've heard similar things but that can change. That's one of the reasons if no huge talent drops to us and Appel is still there I hope we pick him, offer him slot and hope he refuses and get a pick in almost certainly has to be a better class next year. Yes yes, I know they won't do that though.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 3, 2013 19:08:11 GMT -5
Keith Law in his chat today: Q: How does this draft stack up as compared to the previous few years? I've noticed a lot of high school catchers but possibly not as many high ceiling pitchers? Klaw (1:59 PM) Weak. Right now it's lighter than 2012's draft, especially on the HS side. I've read this from a few other evaluators as well. Given that there are gems to be found in every draft there is a caveat to this, but also recall last year's draft was called by many the worst talent-wise in a dozen or more years. I've heard similar things but that can change. That's one of the reasons if no huge talent drops to us and Appel is still there I hope we pick him, offer him slot and hope he refuses and get a pick in almost certainly has to be a better class next year. Yes yes, I know they won't do that though. 04, I am with you.!!!!
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Post by amfox1 on Jan 3, 2013 20:53:59 GMT -5
Doing more research into this draft and its really meh, wrong year to have this high a pick. But I did like some guys that could be there at 7th. *** I would really really like the Sox to come away with Manea or Frazier. Sweet dreams. I'll throw out a name that makes sense if he progresses this year - Bobby Wahl, RHP, Ole Miss. Team USA (as reliever, but expected to be a starter in the pros). 6'3", 215+ lbs. Plus FB (95+), above-average curve, average change. Some control issues. Could easily slot in as the 4th college pitcher in the draft behind Manaea, Stanek and Appel. It's early - once the college season starts, people will stand out. If Kris Bryant can continue to shorten his swing and improve his batting eye, he'd definitely be in the mix.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 3, 2013 20:58:44 GMT -5
I'm all in for Stanek if he gets to 7.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 3, 2013 21:25:59 GMT -5
Wahl does fit the tendencies the Red Sox have as you outlined so yes he's definitely one to keep an eye on.
Edit: Its early but I'd be fine with Kris Bryant.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 3, 2013 22:36:22 GMT -5
I've heard similar things but that can change. That's one of the reasons if no huge talent drops to us and Appel is still there I hope we pick him, offer him slot and hope he refuses and get a pick in almost certainly has to be a better class next year. Yes yes, I know they won't do that though. 04, I am with you.!!!! If Appel is there you take him, and hope he signs. If he doesn't sign though a pick in 2014 is a nice consolation
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 4, 2013 9:42:40 GMT -5
Appel won't be there , but there is no reason why you wouldn't want him to sign. He's a good value at #2 in a strong year class, let alone at #7 in a weak one. A bird in the hand is worth two later on.... or something like that.
I don't think that Appel will fall , but I think there is a chance that Frazier or even Meadows could drop to #7 and I think both are superb talents weak draft or not. I never thought that Matt Barnes would drop to us at 19 two years ago, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for a similar drop.
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Post by templeusox on Jan 4, 2013 13:30:43 GMT -5
Appel stinks. Sox should probably avoid him at all costs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 17:14:31 GMT -5
Some people think this draft is weak and there right. But the first 10 picks are one of the strongest in 15 years according to scouting report. The second round pick is where its weak this year for the Red Sox.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jan 6, 2013 16:43:36 GMT -5
Frazier or bust!
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Post by jdb on Jan 6, 2013 19:27:31 GMT -5
Some people think this draft is weak and there right. But the first 10 picks are one of the strongest in 15 years according to scouting report. The second round pick is where its weak this year for the Red Sox. I hadn't heard that. I think we should get a good player but that 2005 top ten was sick. 8 of the first 12 picks have been All Stars.
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Post by alnipper on Jan 12, 2013 15:38:01 GMT -5
Roughly, as of now where would the 7th pick rank in our system. Injuries can drop any prospect to our laps at 7.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 12, 2013 16:15:41 GMT -5
He will enter behind the top 3 most probably but we would need to know who it is first to make a realistic assessment.
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Post by borisman on Jan 13, 2013 10:55:49 GMT -5
He will enter behind the top 3 most probably but we would need to know who it is first to make a realistic assessment. Well, one good thing about the new CBA is that we'll see this No. 7 pick in action this summer, unless he's hurt when signed, and hopefully he knocks our sox off. It'll be tough to squeeze into the top 3 but very possible. You probably have it right on as somewhere between 4 and 6 but if he has a Bundy-esque like debut top 3 is not out of the question.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 13, 2013 13:43:48 GMT -5
It's not hard to imagine the Red Sox pick moving right in as the #2 prospect in the system, provided the development of Bogaerts, Bradley and Barnes is along the expected trajectory. Comparing to the 2012 class, Almora, Appel, and Zimmer would both rank second in the Sox system almost certainly, and you could make an argument with Fried as well. I don't know enough about Heaney to judge, but my knee-jerk reaction would put him fourth.
It also depends on what the current top three do as well. I mean, if Bradley goes all 2007 Jacoby Ellsbury on us, or Barnes' curveball takes a big leap forward? There's some fluidity here.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 13, 2013 14:48:10 GMT -5
It also depends on what the current top three do as well. I mean, if Bradley goes all 2007 Jacoby Ellsbury on us, or Barnes' curveball takes a big leap forward? There's some fluidity here. Yeah, it really depends as much on what the guys currently in the system do, as much as it depends on how the draft develops; I could see legitimate scenarios where the new draftee could be listed pretty much anywhere from #2 - #10.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 13, 2013 22:52:47 GMT -5
Yeah, it really depends as much on what the guys currently in the system do, as much as it depends on how the draft develops; I could see legitimate scenarios where the new draftee could be listed pretty much anywhere from #2 - #10. Exactly - though if the Sox pick ends up being only the #10 prospect in the system, either a lot will have ended up going right in 2013 with the existing prospects, or the Red Sox will have botched the pick. Note: If you're one who takes issue with the future perfect tense, I apologize for the preceding sentence.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 14, 2013 0:16:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it really depends as much on what the guys currently in the system do, as much as it depends on how the draft develops; I could see legitimate scenarios where the new draftee could be listed pretty much anywhere from #2 - #10. Exactly - though if the Sox pick ends up being only the #10 prospect in the system, either a lot will have ended up going right in 2013 with the existing prospects, or the Red Sox will have botched the pick. Note: If you're one who takes issue with the future perfect tense, I apologize for the preceding sentence. Yeah, the scenario I was thinking that would put him down at 10 would be a combination of Owens, Cecchini, Swihart and the like having outstanding years, and none of the guys who could be available at their pick having particularly good years (and none of the higher picks sliding). It's an unlikely scenario, but a "possible" one.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 14, 2013 17:59:51 GMT -5
It's not hard to imagine the Red Sox pick moving right in as the #2 prospect in the system, provided the development of Bogaerts, Bradley and Barnes is along the expected trajectory. Comparing to the 2012 class, Almora, Appel, and Zimmer would both rank second in the Sox system almost certainly, and you could make an argument with Fried as well. I don't know enough about Heaney to judge, but my knee-jerk reaction would put him fourth. It also depends on what the current top three do as well. I mean, if Bradley goes all 2007 Jacoby Ellsbury on us, or Barnes' curveball takes a big leap forward? There's some fluidity here. This is what I believe as well. The ceilings of some of these guys are extremely high. If things in the draft go well, the draft go well, the draft pick could slot in nicely ahead of Bradley and Barnes.
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Post by templeusox on Jan 15, 2013 7:45:19 GMT -5
Sox are working out KJ Woods on Thursday.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 15, 2013 15:08:32 GMT -5
I made a prediction at the beginning of this thread that Appel will slide down with the help of Boras. I hope they make some big gambles. Like really let Amiel go crazy. I believe you have to earn the F.O. Trust. Now he has earned it and its time to turn it loose 100%.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 15, 2013 15:14:20 GMT -5
Sox are working out KJ Woods on Thursday. Here is some video of him. This one if from the HS All America game preview he appears at the end of the video 1:42 to be exact. and this is hitting in the cage. Hopefully he impresses. Hopefully they also look into Ivan Wilson who appears in the 1st video at the 50 sec mark.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 17, 2013 10:29:49 GMT -5
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