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Post by remember04 on Jan 17, 2013 12:39:09 GMT -5
I saw that yesterday and thought "no thanks, I've had enough of Hunters and enough of Renfroes for a while".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 4:01:18 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on Jan 18, 2013 7:04:00 GMT -5
I looked at it. All the mock drafts look about the same right now and will until at least April and May when HS starts up. But my question is: when did we get a "new GM"? Theo left? I know Ian doesn't' like Appel at all but if he has a very good season/playoffs and falls to 7 it wouldn't be the worse thing. We could get a high upside HS kid who doesn't make it out of AA. Appel could conceivably make it to the bigs next year (2014). I just don't think the Sox can blow this pick, even if they reach a little (doubtful), as long as it's not a Vitek type pick.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 18, 2013 14:24:28 GMT -5
I didn't count and compare to previous drafts but there seems to be a lot of HS picks in the first round. That and exactly who is comparing Austin Wilson to Giancarlo Stanton?
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Post by futurefenwaystars on Jan 18, 2013 20:26:10 GMT -5
I'm not saying that Austin Wilson is Giancarlo Stanton, but Wilson is an absolute beast. I was amazed at his tools on the Cape last summer. He has plus-plus power, plus athleticism, and a great arm for right field. Wilson has the potential to be a perennial All-Star player. Here's a collection of scouting reports on Wilson that I assembled and some video clips that I took of Wilson this summer in BP and during games. futurefenwaystars.blogspot.com/2012/11/2013-mlb-draft-prospects-preview-of.html
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Post by remember04 on Jan 18, 2013 21:01:20 GMT -5
I'm not saying that Austin Wilson is Giancarlo Stanton, but Wilson is an absolute beast. I was amazed at his tools on the Cape last summer. He has plus-plus power, plus athleticism, and a great arm for right field. Wilson has the potential to be a perennial All-Star player. Here's a collection of scouting reports on Wilson that I assembled and some video clips that I took of Wilson this summer in BP and during games. futurefenwaystars.blogspot.com/2012/11/2013-mlb-draft-prospects-preview-of.htmlNow that's above and beyond the call the duty. I'll go over the scouting reports but isn't he still pretty much "all tools and no production" and I don't mean that literally but he's very toolsy but hasn't lived up to them yet?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 18, 2013 21:05:36 GMT -5
In some ways yes, he hasn't put it all together, but he made improvements during his sophomore season and it carried over to the summer. If he continues in this trajectory and has a big spring he'll be a high pick.
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Post by Matt Huegel on Jan 25, 2013 12:59:29 GMT -5
So the Mets want their first round pick protected if they were to sign Bourn.
Whether it makes sense or not, definitely a concern that should have been addressed before signing the CBA. Ridiculous for the Mets to ask for this now.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 25, 2013 13:13:21 GMT -5
What I find funny is, as someone who hated the restrictions, the the union was so willingly for the restrictions because too much money was going towards amateur players and not veterans who have "earned" it and now many of their clients are getting the short end of the stick with the new rules.
Under the old rules teams wouldn't care as much if they gave up their 1st round pick because they could spend anything they wanted and make up for it. Now draft picks(specially 1st round picks) are too valuable and teams have a hard time giving them up.
Lets see how it ends but I find it a bit amusing that some of these guys are still on the FA market.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 26, 2013 17:48:43 GMT -5
I think the lesson from this offseason is for players not to be so bold as to turn down the QO without thinking hard about it. Could turn into MLB's equivalent of the franchise tag unless the player is certain to do ok on the market.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 26, 2013 19:31:21 GMT -5
I think the lesson from this offseason is for players not to be so bold as to turn down the QO without thinking hard about it. Could turn into MLB's equivalent of the franchise tag unless the player is certain to do ok on the market. I thought the Soriano situation would've blown up in his face for sure but it didn't.
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Post by jmei on Jan 26, 2013 19:44:00 GMT -5
I think the lesson from this offseason is for players not to be so bold as to turn down the QO without thinking hard about it. Could turn into MLB's equivalent of the franchise tag unless the player is certain to do ok on the market. Is that the lesson? The only player who really would have been better off taking the QO is Lohse, right? Soriano seems like a 50/50 call-- he got a better deal as a free agent in hindsight (and a closer's gig), but even that came with a lot of deferred money and came out of nowhere. Bourn just misread the market-- it's not that he should have signed the QO, it's that he should have signed with a team like Philadelphia or Washington before they filled their CF vacancies via trade.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 26, 2013 20:18:05 GMT -5
I think the lesson from this offseason is for players not to be so bold as to turn down the QO without thinking hard about it. Could turn into MLB's equivalent of the franchise tag unless the player is certain to do ok on the market. The question now becomes whether more teams offer the QO to free agents. Good but not great players will likely either take the QO or the team will have more bargain power, since other teams may be hesitant to bid on players and lose the draft pick. More lkely, less players are offered, since many teams do not want to spend 13 million dollars one average players.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 28, 2013 19:27:43 GMT -5
Jim Callis @jimcallisba 12th in #mlbdraft pool money ($6.3 mil in 2012 numbers). @bosoxholic: where do the #redsox rank?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 30, 2013 11:41:53 GMT -5
What are the rules regarding if a team does not sign a player drafted in rounds 2-5. I remember seeing something about a team having draft compensation for failing to sign a 3rd round pick, but have not read any direct rules related. Is it similar to the protect that a top 10 pick has or non existent and I misread?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 30, 2013 11:58:10 GMT -5
What are the rules regarding if a team does not sign a player drafted in rounds 2-5. I remember seeing something about a team having draft compensation for failing to sign a 3rd round pick, but have not read any direct rules related. Is it similar to the protect that a top 10 pick has or non existent and I misread? If you fail to sign a draft pick in rounds 1-5 you get a comp pick for the next draft ex: if its 40th pick you get 40A(41) the next year. The Pirates this year have the 9th pick for not signing Appel. Don't ask me where are the rules but thats how it works.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 30, 2013 12:14:33 GMT -5
Given that I would like to throw this out there. What would you think about tanking this draft to set ourselves up next year. It would be drafting 2-3 un-signable players (1 with our first round) and setting up a big bonus pool for 2014 draft. It would also factor in compensation for any QO turned down, 1 from Ellsbury and with some luck maybe 1 more from Napoli or Drew. It would give us 3 top 40 picks and extra slot money from an extra 1-2 picks in top 5 rounds. The extra money we can save would set us up for 1-2 more "Buttery" signings. It would also move us to a potentially stronger draft class. The cons being we would not want to sign a player who received a qualifying offer and we would have a gap of talent in our farm system. Just think the idea is worth a discussion.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 30, 2013 12:35:08 GMT -5
I don't think Its realistic but its a good theoretical conversation.
I wouldn't like it as there is talent in every draft in every round so the team needs to add talent. The thing that you said at the end there is my main worry, having a talent gap in the system. Not that this system is a barren system as theirs was but I remember the Astros had a hideous draft in 2006/2007 where they didn't sign anyone in the top 5 rounds and they are still suffering from it. As I said its not completely the same since they had other horrible drafts but it still created a big black hole.
In theory this system can withstand a year and load up in the next draft but a year in player development and in baseball in general is big so conditions might not be the same.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 30, 2013 12:55:43 GMT -5
The question is, is it better to have 2 normal drafts or 1 very strong draft paired with a very weak draft. I think in the past before the draft reform it would be better to have 2 normal drafts, as you can sign Middlebrooks, Rizzo, Britton in later rounds for more money than what is associated with that round. That is more difficult to do now.
I am trying to think back on some resources I read, and I remember that into the 3-5 rounds there were still a decent amount of top 50 talent undrafted. We took one of them in Buttery, (who was ranked by Baseball America right next to Johnson) because we had those two extra draft picks and underslot signings to play with. The real value added to tanking a draft would be in rounds 3-6 when we are able to sign these high talent players.
It would also come down to the 2013 draft. When the 7th pick comes around if there is a player the Red Sox are high on they should take him. I only think this strategy would be valuable if they didn't think who was available warranted a top 7 pick. They don't get to pick this high very often and should not expect to in the future, so they should make it worth it.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 31, 2013 17:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jan 31, 2013 21:19:41 GMT -5
Thanks for that link. Of the college guys I really like the top three SPs but the only position player I could get behind is Kris Bryant. I just picture Bryant mashing and seems he could handle a Corner OF (probably LF for us) or first fine. Moran doesn't do much for me right now. Granted college practice just started last week and by June I could but that's not a real glowing report from BA. Fringe athlete, below average runner and might could develop average power.
Throw in some some HS guys like Meadows, Fraizer, Stewart and a few more college arms like Wahl and Crawford and I think we get a heck of a player.
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Post by jioh on Jan 31, 2013 22:13:12 GMT -5
Thanks for that link. Of the college guys I really like the top three SPs but the only position player I could get behind is Kris Bryant. I just picture Bryant mashing and seems he could handle a Corner OF (probably LF for us) or first fine. Moran doesn't do much for me right now. Granted college practice just started last week and by June I could but that's not a real glowing report from BA. Fringe athlete, below average runner and might could develop average power. .... I thought the writeup on Moran (who I should mention plays where I teach) was more positive. Might not stay at 3b, but he's the "college game's best pure hitter" and "The best position prospect in college baseball" with "a smooth lefthanded swing and ... a patient, up-the-middle approach" which could be great for Fenway. How much power he shows in his junior year will be important; halfway through his soph year he RyanSweeneyed a door and broke his hand. I do agree that it's easy to see him going a little later than 7, but if he steps up this year he could be a good pick. Bryant who has more power may not have as good a hit tool, and Wilson who has more athleticism might never hit. Moran on the Cape in 2012: 6 hrs, 18 bb, 32 k www.pointstreak.com/baseball/player.html?playerid=318310
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Post by remember04 on Jan 31, 2013 22:42:43 GMT -5
Far and away the pick I'd be the most nervous about. I'm not used to drafting this high up but I see a tremendous amount of potential and also a tremendous amount of bust potential.
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Post by borisman on Feb 1, 2013 6:52:37 GMT -5
At least Wilson has a Stanford education to fall back on if MLB doesn't work out. I really like Bryant at our pick if we can't get a frontline pitcher or one of the HS bats (Meadows/Frazier). He crushed the ball last year. Should be interesting to follow this year.
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Post by jdb on Feb 1, 2013 8:34:39 GMT -5
.... [/quote] I thought the writeup on Moran (who I should mention plays where I teach) was more positive. Might not stay at 3b, but he's the "college game's best pure hitter" and "The best position prospect in college baseball" with "a smooth lefthanded swing and ... a patient, up-the-middle approach" which could be great for Fenway. How much power he shows in his junior year will be important; halfway through his soph year he RyanSweeneyed a door and broke his hand. I do agree that it's easy to see him going a little later than 7, but if he steps up this year he could be a good pick. Bryant who has more power may not have as good a hit tool, and Wilson who has more athleticism might never hit. Moran on the Cape in 2012: 6 hrs, 18 bb, 32 k www.pointstreak.com/baseball/player.html?playerid=318310[/quote]I could see that and didnt realize he put up better power numbers on the Cape. Im just extremely skeptical with BA's collage coverage to begin with. They are extremely slanted towards the ACC and UNC in particular due to their Durham headquarters.
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