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Post by awall on Jun 6, 2013 8:10:02 GMT -5
that is an awesome quote.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2013 9:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 6, 2013 9:30:14 GMT -5
What could happen is that Rockies take Smith, Twins take Stewart, Indians take Bryant. That could drop Moran to the Red Sox. Possible, but I really doubt the Twins would pass on Bryant. And I'm not sure Cleveland would pass on Stewart. Haven't we seen reports they have interest?
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 9:59:42 GMT -5
Possible, but I really doubt the Twins would pass on Bryant. And I'm not sure Cleveland would pass on Stewart. Haven't we seen reports they have interest? I believe I have seen reports, from Callis/Law (cannot remember off the top of my head if it was one or both), stating that if Twins pass on Stewart he drops to Red Sox.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 10:06:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the thoughts, quidas/jmei... it sounds like if you treated it as a physics equation, all those other factors correlate so highly to bat speed, that only bat speed matters (though I'd argue bat speed*mass...)
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 10:09:39 GMT -5
I can't see Twins passing on Stewart, but if they do, will the Red Sox absolutely take him over any bat? (taking Appel/Bryant/Gray out of the equation)
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Post by rider on Jun 6, 2013 10:33:25 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows
I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future,
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Post by mainesox on Jun 6, 2013 10:35:19 GMT -5
I can't see Twins passing on Stewart, but if they do, will the Red Sox absolutely take him over any bat? (taking Appel/Bryant/Gray out of the equation) That's seems to be the consensus.
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Post by awall on Jun 6, 2013 10:37:36 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, Shipley
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 6, 2013 10:40:51 GMT -5
And I'm not sure Cleveland would pass on Stewart. Haven't we seen reports they have interest? I believe I have seen reports, from Callis/Law (cannot remember off the top of my head if it was one or both), stating that if Twins pass on Stewart he drops to Red Sox. I know that's what they keep saying - and maybe it wasn't them, but I know I've seen a report or two (posted in this forum) that the Indians would have some interest in Stewart - might have even been a mock (I have looked, but cannot find it). Not saying they would take him, but I wouldn't discount it. If their interest in Moran has cooled and Bryant and Smith are gone - maybe they face the dilemma many have posed here if the Sox are faced with it - Stewart or Frazier.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 10:42:18 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, I take Colin Moran. The guy is a college hitter who walked three times as often as he struck out.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 6, 2013 10:44:18 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, Moran. He is going to be a 5-10 year major leaguer.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 6, 2013 10:51:54 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, Ball. Moran doesn't have enough power and Shipley has only been pitching for a year, so I would stay away from both of them. Stanek can't throw strikes (BA referred to him as a future closer or setup man in the Daniel Bard mode-enough said) and Manea can't seem to consistently break 90 the last few months. Ball appears to have a lot of upside with a lot of room to grow as a 6"6", 180 lb athlete who throw in the mid-90s. The BA print version raves about his makeup, as well as his ability to pitch in cold, wet weather. He also appears to be very good athlete who could easily break the top 15 as a corner outfielder.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2013 10:54:19 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 6, 2013 11:00:55 GMT -5
So Keith went conventional for his final mock so he was just trying to be different. Still sticking it to Frazier.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 6, 2013 11:05:48 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, Shipley easy.
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Post by danr on Jun 6, 2013 11:18:03 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, I'd take Moran and convert him to 1B. He's going to be a .300+ hitter with 15-20 HRs a year and on OBP in the .400 range.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 11:18:35 GMT -5
"The guy is a college hitter who walked three times as often as he struck out."
I have no idea how much to read into that... if we dismiss walks in the low minors a lot, what do you do to them in college ball? However "professional hitter" Kolbrin Vitek never had more BBs than Ks (even Deven Marrero did, should that have been a red flag?), so it's not like all good hitters get pitched around.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 6, 2013 11:23:03 GMT -5
Worst case scenario who do you take of the draft goes 1. Gray 2. Appel 3. Bryant 4. Stewart 5. Frazier 6. Meadows I really think Cleveland might take Frazier at 5, which leaves us with Shipley, and Moran for college players and Trey Ball and Dominic Smith for HS, and then wild cards who likely won't be given much thought in Stanek and Manaea. I take Smith in this scenario. He likely is underrated because he plays 1B, but it's not like we necessarily have that position locked down in the future, I'd take Moran and convert him to 1B. He's going to be a .300+ hitter with 15-20 HRs a year and on OBP in the .400 range. Look, everyone knows at this point that I'm no fan of Moran, but even if you are going to take him, why would you ever convert him to 1B unless/until it was absolutely necessary?
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 11:24:13 GMT -5
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Post by nomah316 on Jun 6, 2013 11:29:34 GMT -5
It's outsie the box, but is there anything that presents the Sox from lowballing their first round pick, using the extra money to sign tough signs later in the draft (like Manaea) and then getting the 8th pick in the 2014 draft (which is supposed to be better) if the first rounder doesn't sign?
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Post by mjammz on Jun 6, 2013 11:31:15 GMT -5
It's outsie the box, but is there anything that presents the Sox from lowballing their first round pick, using the extra money to sign tough signs later in the draft (like Manaea) and then getting the 8th pick in the 2014 draft (which is supposed to be better) if the first rounder doesn't sign? UGH.. we have already talked about this at length.. If you don't sign your first pick, your lose that money, it can't be reallocated. The Red Sox are not picking a player at #7 with intentions of not signing them to get a pick next year period.
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Post by nomah316 on Jun 6, 2013 11:36:36 GMT -5
I guess I didn't read all 65 pages. Apologies......I will duck out and read from here on out.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 11:41:21 GMT -5
The penalties (15%+ - 100% tax on overage and loss of 1st round picks in next two drafts) are too much, or I'd suggest that one year a team should go all out, and basically draft four first round quality 'tough signs' and throw the bank at them.
For a good team, or one that signs free agents and loses 1st rounder anyway, I wonder if that's tempting at all, or too risky. Not to mention the roster implications four years down the road.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 11:47:24 GMT -5
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