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Post by ikonos on Jun 5, 2013 13:14:35 GMT -5
I dont mind any one RedSox picks but just for discussion, Scouts say Frazier pretty much filled out his frame and could that be the reason for his bat speed and power advantage over Meadows at this point? If he pretty much filled out his frame this young and has a violent swing (not sure if this is true), is that a cause for injury concern? May be meadows being smooth and not yet filling out is better in the long run? Any comments?
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Post by awall on Jun 5, 2013 13:19:15 GMT -5
things like smooth swings, i just don't get. does Pedroia have a smooth swing? was adrian beltre balanced and smooth? lars anderson had a real smooth swing.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jun 5, 2013 13:20:26 GMT -5
Paroubeck in the 2nd round is too high.....don't let the physique and the Barry Bonds personal lessons impress you too much. He struck out in high school ball a little more than I like to see (24 in 137 PA) When/if he quits switch hitting and goes to just a lefty that will go down most likely. He appears to have far less coordination right handed and also his power in his hitting videos shows him exclusive powered left handed I believe. Watching him when batting right handed he just seems to lunge at the ball and awkward at that. The Barry Bonds lessons I also think are nothing more than good advise to the kid, but he is a strong athlete with a lot of arm strength from the field. Hope he does drop to the third too as I'd like to see the Sox take a flyer on him.
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Post by redsox1534 on Jun 5, 2013 14:27:41 GMT -5
if i had to pick between Meadows and Frazier, it'd be Frazier in a heartbeat. No question about it I would think twice.
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Post by redsox1534 on Jun 5, 2013 14:33:33 GMT -5
I dont mind any one RedSox picks but just for discussion, Scouts say Frazier pretty much filled out his frame and could that be the reason for his bat speed and power advantage over Meadows at this point? If he pretty much filled out his frame this young and has a violent swing (not sure if this is true), is that a cause for injury concern? May be meadows being smooth and not yet filling out is better in the long run? Any comments? Frazier doesnt look like hes filled out to me. He doesnt have the room fill out alot more like Meadows may but he can still get a little bigger and stronger. Meadows still has to prove he can actually hit were Fraziers proven he can hit. Meadows has so much more to prove and ya mybe Frazier is a little violent with his swing but its a great short compact and fast swing. Meadows might have a nice swing but iv seen better its a little overrated for me, as is his whole game an upside. Fraziers exactly what we need and fits us perfectly. He is a guy who works hard, plays hard and plays even like his hair is on fire and if dont get a close up view of him you might think with that red hair an the way hes playing it is lol. Hes an just an outstanding baseball player who loves the game and will leave it all out on the field. Meadows isnt even as good as Bubba Starling was coming out and look at Bubba now hes struggling and people are saying he cant hit or recognize good pitching.
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Post by foleyli on Jun 5, 2013 14:45:49 GMT -5
redsox1534, both still have to prove that they can hit, they are high schoolers. I understand completely that highschool stats count for almost nothing because there is an infinite amount of variables, that said, I do not understand how you think that Frazier has proven he can hit when he has a significantly lower batting average than Meadows, who faces the same level of talent considering that they live in adjacent towns. I understand that Frazier has much more home run power at this point but Meadows is significantly younger. Of course Meadows isn't as good as Starling was coming out, neither was Frazier, or most others in this draft. As for Starling's stuggles, they are because he has a not-so-great swing and because he struggles with breaking balls (Frazier does as well). Frazier can not even recognize mediocre high school breaking balls, what makes you think that he can hit 'good' pitching?
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 5, 2013 15:26:01 GMT -5
As a HS hitting coach, I can tell you that it is pretty rare to find any HS player who has a whole lot of ability hitting breaking balls. Most HS coaches are telling kids to look for the fastball and hit it, and while we work on hitting the breaking ball, we want our kids hitting the fastball as much as possible. Several of the posters have (correctly) pointed out, that Frazier's elite bat speed will be beneficial to him when learning to hit a breaking ball, the longer you can stay back as a hitter and let the ball travel deeper into the zone (pick up spin and location), the better chance you have to put a good swing on a breaking ball. Frazier's bat speed will at least give him an advantage as he begins to see lots of different offerings from professional pitching, no guarantee he will be able to make the adjustment, but assuming he is coachable, it should not be any more of an issue than it is for any other player. That bat speed is not coachable however, and it is very impressive.
The way I see it, since the Red Sox very rarely pick in the top 10 in the draft, they should be looking to add an impact player with the 7th selection. Aside from Appel, Gray and Bryant, who I am assuming will be #1, #2 & #3 in this draft, my preference for the Sox is either Stewart or Frazier, and while it seems I am probably in the minority, I actually have them even (4a and 4b). To me they both have an extaordinary ceiling, but also a potentially significant development path, sometimes in order to hit it big, you have to gamble a little, and I think Stewart and Frazier are the Sox best bets to get that ace starter or 5 tool outfielder.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 5, 2013 15:27:18 GMT -5
I wish we could draft someone like this guy: "#41 college prospect according to Baseball America. #30 college prospect by TeamOneBaseball. 3rd-team preseason All-American by BA. ... size & lack of pure tools keep him from being ranked higher on most scouting lists. Despite his physical limitations, has produced at every level, including his performance for Team USA Baseball last summer in which he hit .294 while anchoring the middle infield. He projects as a top of the lineup type of hitter as he exhibits an oustanding eye at the plate as exhibited by his 81 to 36 BB to K ratio during his college career ). He has also hit for a high average, hitting .404 as a sophomore, and has surprising pop for a player his size. He doesn't have blazing speed, and isn't expected to be much of a threat on the basepaths, but he is a smart baserunner overall. Defensively, he doesn't have the ideal range yet he continues to make play after play. would seem to be a solid target by one of the performance-based scouting teams early in the draft."
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Post by boomer on Jun 5, 2013 15:39:50 GMT -5
I wish we could draft someone like this guy: "#41 college prospect according to Baseball America. #30 college prospect by TeamOneBaseball. 3rd-team preseason All-American by BA. ... size & lack of pure tools keep him from being ranked higher on most scouting lists. Despite his physical limitations, has produced at every level, including his performance for Team USA Baseball last summer in which he hit .294 while anchoring the middle infield. He projects as a top of the lineup type of hitter as he exhibits an oustanding eye at the plate as exhibited by his 81 to 36 BB to K ratio during his college career ). He has also hit for a high average, hitting .404 as a sophomore, and has surprising pop for a player his size. He doesn't have blazing speed, and isn't expected to be much of a threat on the basepaths, but he is a smart baserunner overall. Defensively, he doesn't have the ideal range yet he continues to make play after play. would seem to be a solid target by one of the performance-based scouting teams early in the draft." That has to be Dustin Pedroia. It makes me wonder about, if Meadows and Frazier are close to equal in terms of overall talent, how the combination of their performance and intangibles can tip the scales one way or the other. If both are on the board at #7 and the top 4 (including Kohl Stewart) are also gone, how they will decide.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 5, 2013 15:58:37 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp Cherington, Sawdaye say draft board is just about set thanks to "18 hours a day and a lot of bad food" in a conference room in recent days.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 5, 2013 16:01:04 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp The message from Cherington, Sawdaye was consistent: Line up the board, take the best player left when No. 7 (and No. 45, No. 81) comes up.2
Thats what I like to hear
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 5, 2013 16:02:07 GMT -5
Frazier's HR pop sets him apart. The guy makes it look easy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 16:04:06 GMT -5
things like smooth swings, i just don't get. does Pedroia have a smooth swing? was adrian beltre balanced and smooth? lars anderson had a real smooth swing. This is a bit like saying that because there are successful pitchers who throw 88, it doesn't matter how hard you throw. Yes there are players like Pedroia who are able to do well despite having very violent swings. Yes not every kid with a perfect swing prevails. However all else equal you would rather have a kid with a nice level swing that he has some degree of control over. Players with such swings generally make more consistent contact. So yes if Clint Frazier has trouble controlling his swing that would be cause for concern. Doesn't mean he's doomed but it hurts his cause.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 5, 2013 16:05:52 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp The message from Cherington, Sawdaye was consistent: Line up the board, take the best player left when No. 7 (and No. 45, No. 81) comes up.2 This is how a draft board should work (in the first couple of rounds). If you need money, take college seniors like Yastrzemski and Cody Stubbs lower in the top 10 rounds
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Post by Guidas on Jun 5, 2013 16:11:15 GMT -5
If "best" is a tie between a pitcher or position player at 7 who do you take? I know there are a lot of caveats to this but, barring chronic health issues, I alway lean position player under the theory that less can go wrong that will affect his projection/value.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 5, 2013 16:12:05 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp Cherington: "In any year, but particularly this year, we’re going to take the player that we think impacts the organization the most."
Encouraging
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 5, 2013 16:31:05 GMT -5
Man would I love to have a sneak peak into the top of that board just for like 5 seconds. Guidas It depends on who the pitcher is for me. If its someone like Gray, Appel, Stewart I'm taking the pitcher. If its someone else I take the hitter.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 5, 2013 16:42:42 GMT -5
I've built up a bit of a kinship with Frankie Pilere over the years from living on the Cape I asked him about Red Sox rumors and put him squarly in the Red Sox love Clint Frazier camp.
Then I asked him about Meadows rumors
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Post by bluechip on Jun 5, 2013 17:08:10 GMT -5
If "best" is a tie between a pitcher or position player at 7 who do you take? I know there are a lot of caveats to this but, barring chronic health issues, I alway lean position player under the theory that less can go wrong that will affect his projection/value. In theory, I would probably take the position player, since they are less likely to have injury concerns derail their chances of reaching the majors. Then I put myself in the position of the Astros and wonder if I would not succumb to the temptation to take Mark Appel over Kris Bryant.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 5, 2013 17:11:42 GMT -5
I would take a vacation week to hang out in the draft room. Are they goona stick with the same game plan as last year? They pretty much have low money for a 7th pick. There international budget is pretty good.
Who could be our Buttery this year? I can't wait. More exciting that the Patriots draft. To me the football draft should be awesome but the Pats do things there way.
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Post by nomar on Jun 5, 2013 17:29:40 GMT -5
I would take a vacation week to hang out in the draft room. Are they goona stick with the same game plan as last year? They pretty much have low money for a 7th pick. There international budget is pretty good. Who could be our Buttery this year? I can't wait. More exciting that the Patriots draft. To me the football draft should be awesome but the Pats do things there way. I would say there's a decent chance of Gonsalves. Reminds me of Owens a little bit and we've done well with him.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 5, 2013 19:53:00 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo Draft is so unpredictable that it appears the 'Stros and Cubs @1-2 are in quandaries, and teams think the Rockies @3 go 1B Dominic Smith.
that would classify as a woah
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Post by mjammz on Jun 5, 2013 19:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by rider on Jun 5, 2013 20:20:19 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo Draft is so unpredictable that it appears the 'Stros and Cubs @1-2 are in quandaries, and teams think the Rockies @3 go 1B Dominic Smith. that would classify as a woah If Bryant somehow fell I us I'd be ecstatic.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 5, 2013 20:20:30 GMT -5
Rockies pass on Bryant for Dominic Smith? I really like Dominic Smith (I would strongly consider him at 7), but that is crazy. Hopefully it would bump Stewart down to BoSox.
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