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Draft order (Red Sox will pick #7)
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Post by jeremynofakerbaker on Sept 7, 2012 20:56:54 GMT -5
I'll mention again a few players that I previously discussed in the old forum: Interesting that Amfox included Michael Lorenzen under College arms rather than college bats. I had tweeted BA's Aaron Fitt about whether he was a better position prospect or a better pitching prospect, and he responded: "@fenwaystarcards He was 95-97 every time I saw him last year, so there are some who like him on mound. But so many CF tools, start him there" I am also intrigued by Aaron Judge and saw him play on the Cape this summer. Very strong and athletic, but he is so tall for a position prospect. I will be interested to see how is is able to adjust to more advanced pitching that can take advantage of spots where it will be tough for him to get wood on the ball. LSU Jr. Jacoby Jones- Versatile athlete who has played the middle infield and centerfield, Jones is a toolsy prospect with developing power. I think that he has the potential to sky-rocket up draft boards after a solid performance on the Cape and the opportunity to turn heads this spring. Stanford Jr. Brian Ragira- A first basemen with enough athleticism to play elsewhere, Ragira has good power and can hit. Arkansas Jr. Dominic Ficociello- A switch-hitting first basemen for Arkansas, Ficociello played some third base for Orleans this summer on the Cape. Ficociello is very athletic with room to fill-out and tap into some power. Definitely a player to watch this season. aaron judges big problem is pitch recognition he struggle against an advance arm in sean manaea. domonic ficociello is a decent player but he really needs to add some muscle hes built more like a deer than a house.(if he can add muscle he may be a later first rounder not a top 10, if he can add muscle and develop the power stroke he could resemble a switch hitting colin moran type bat) an impressive guy on Orleans for next years draft (2014) would be conrad gregor jacoby jones is a little over rated hes a ben zobrist type guy with little power, future great super sub utility guy michael lorenzen should stick in CF hes a 5 tool grady sizemore type player(before gradys injuries)
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Post by jdb on Sept 7, 2012 23:13:20 GMT -5
Not sure Ficociello is a top prospect. He's shown little power at first and was a HS SS with little pop. He's a good college player but I don't want us any where near him early.
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Post by jeremynofakerbaker on Sept 8, 2012 1:03:00 GMT -5
Not sure Ficociello is a top prospect. He's shown little power at first and was a HS SS with little pop. He's a good college player but I don't want us any where near him early. well said jbd, now i'm thinking back on him, and he may be a Brent Lillibridge type if he doesn't add the muscle. However, if he does add the muscle he'd make him self more of a prospect.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 8, 2012 6:48:58 GMT -5
#6 MIA -- (wins tiebreaker with any teams other than SEA/SD/KC based on 2011 record) #7 KC 1.5 GB (wins tiebreaker with any other team other than SEA (tied with SD) based on 2011 record) #8 TOR 1.5 GB #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 BOS 2.5 GB #11 SD 3.5 GB (wins tiebreaker with any team other than SEA (tied with KC) based on 2011 record Now tied with Toronto at 8 and half game out of 7 th
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 8, 2012 7:11:01 GMT -5
Miami, KC, Toronto, and SD all won yesterday.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 8, 2012 7:30:05 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 11 draft spot (as of 9/8am):
#6 MIA -- (wins tiebreaker with any teams other than SD/KC based on 2011 record) #7 KC 0.5 GB (wins tiebreaker with any other team (tied with SD) based on 2011 record) #8 TOR 1.0 GB #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 BOS 1.0 GB #11 SD 3.0 GB (wins tiebreaker with any team (tied with KC) based on 2011 record) #12 NYM 3.5 GB
Note: the top 11 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
With its loss to TOR and wins by MIA, KC and TOR, Boston has moved into a virtual tie with TOR and is only one game behind the #6 spot. It should be noted that Boston loses the tiebreaker with any teams, which keeps BOS in the #10 spot for now.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 8, 2012 9:01:44 GMT -5
Its important to at least pass Toronto, or whatever team is ahead (below?) us in the standings. A #8 sets us up for that pick. A #9 or 10 would push us back a slot to make room for Pittsburgh's Appel compensation.
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Post by borisman on Sept 8, 2012 9:25:20 GMT -5
If Mark Appel gets picked by the Sox and doesn't sign, we get 2 top 10 picks next year ;D
Anyways, I'd like a college pitcher or a toolsy outfielder, like a Mike Trout. Yeah, that's the ticket.
The schedule isn't friendly and here's to hoping the Sox try to give more playing time to the young kids and Bobby V only playing 8 players (Iglesias can cover the whole left side) while also having the pitcher bat.
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Post by remember04 on Sept 8, 2012 9:29:50 GMT -5
If Mark Appel gets picked by the Sox and doesn't sign, we get 2 top 10 picks next year ;D Anyways, I'd like a college pitcher or a toolsy outfielder, like a Mike Trout. Yeah, that's the ticket. The schedule isn't friendly and here's to hoping the Sox try to give more playing time to the young kids and Bobby V only playing 8 players (Iglesias can cover the whole left side) while also having the pitcher bat. Should you ever decide to run for president you'd get my vote.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 8, 2012 10:06:27 GMT -5
"Don't let us win tonight." Kevin Millar
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Post by mjammz on Sept 8, 2012 10:32:24 GMT -5
Looking at the schedules we definitely (along with TOR) have the toughest remaining schedule of the teams we are going to be tanking with. Although Toronto finishes the season with 3 games vs. Minnesota which could determine who picks ahead of who
- Kansas City has 6 games vs. Cleveland and 3 vs. Minnesota - they could very easily leap us
- Miami plays Philly 6 times and the Mets 6 times
- SD plays Arizona 5 times, Colorado 3 times, Milwaukee 3 times
It's also not outside the realm of possibility that Cleveland finishes above us. They have 12 combined games vs. Minnesota and Kansas City
- Based on the fact that we have 18 game vs. Balt/TB/NYY all vying for the playoffs and all teams that have pitching that will shut down our Triple-A lineup I think it's safe to say we wil be picking in the top 7 with outside chance of getting to #5
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 8, 2012 11:38:37 GMT -5
Ohhhh, you know just what to say to a girl's ears.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 8, 2012 13:13:59 GMT -5
Looking at the schedules we definitely (along with TOR) have the toughest remaining schedule of the teams we are going to be tanking with. Although Toronto finishes the season with 3 games vs. Minnesota which could determine who picks ahead of who - Kansas City has 6 games vs. Cleveland and 3 vs. Minnesota - they could very easily leap us - Miami plays Philly 6 times and the Mets 6 times - SD plays Arizona 5 times, Colorado 3 times, Milwaukee 3 times It's also not outside the realm of possibility that Cleveland finishes above us. They have 12 combined games vs. Minnesota and Kansas City - Based on the fact that we have 18 game vs. Balt/TB/NYY all vying for the playoffs and all teams that have pitching that will shut down our Triple-A lineup I think it's safe to say we wil be picking in the top 7 with outside chance of getting to #5 Yes, we need to make as much hay out of this situation as we can. We have really minimized our success this season, and so we need to tank as much as possible, because circumstances like these (counterproductive manager, major injuries to absolutely the worst players to lose, bad attitudes, slumps by even the healthy "stars," and extremely bad luck relative to our pythagorean expectation) don't often conspire to happen at once to a franchise that has been consistently good if not elite for almost the past half century. Even with all our struggles recently, having fallen 15 GB the O's in the loss column, we STILL have a better run differential than they do.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 8, 2012 14:47:08 GMT -5
Miami up 6-5 in the 9th.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 8, 2012 17:02:02 GMT -5
My comments were directed at Chris Hatfield's statement that he doesn't think a useful ML player has been selected in the Rule 5 draft since they changed the rules in 2006.... Whatever happened after San Diego picked Nova in 2008 doesn't change the fact that he turned out to be an effective ML player who was selected in Rule 5. Nova was picked in the 2008 draft, after the rules were changed. Yikes,. I meant that no player has been selected and stuck. What the heck would the point be of saying players have been selected but been a year and a half away? Happy?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 8, 2012 17:04:05 GMT -5
Chris - You look a lot like my boss. I find posting here very disturbing.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 8, 2012 17:31:01 GMT -5
My comments were directed at Chris Hatfield's statement that he doesn't think a useful ML player has been selected in the Rule 5 draft since they changed the rules in 2006.... Whatever happened after San Diego picked Nova in 2008 doesn't change the fact that he turned out to be an effective ML player who was selected in Rule 5. Nova was picked in the 2008 draft, after the rules were changed. Yikes,. I meant that no player has been selected and stuck. What the heck would the point be of saying players have been selected but been a year and a half away? Happy? Sorry, it was not clear to me what you "meant". Just going by what you said. I didn't think such an innocuous comment as hoping we can find a diamond in the rough would conjure such a response. From now on I'll drop diamonds and stick to Rubbys. Yes I am happy!
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 8, 2012 18:47:51 GMT -5
Heath Bell sucks at life.
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Post by gatortough on Sept 9, 2012 12:32:51 GMT -5
I’m bordering on giddy at the prospect of drafting higher than we have in my lifetime, even higher than the seventh pick we had in 1993, where the Sox got Trot. The rest of this post will carry with it numerous assumptions and hypotheticals, which hopefully will provide for some decent fodder.
If the Sox continue to tank at wonderfully flabbergasting pace, we could find ourselves with a realistic shot at the fifth pick in the draft (actually at our recent pace we’ll be making a charge at the Cubs, but I’m inclined to think that we’ll level off somewhat). It can be argued that we will pick higher or lower than that, but for the sake of picking a number and this post let’s go with 5.
The 2011 draft was seen by many as the strongest in recent history, especially with pitching. It stands to reason that we might not see a draft with that level of strength again for some time. The 2012 draft was by comparison a mediocre draft, but still had some strength toward the top. If Keith Law is to be believed (I’m generally a pretty big Law fan), the 2013 draft is far weaker than the 2012 draft. If, as draft day approaches, that is clearly the case, and assuming (hopefully) we never get the opportunity to draft this high again in the foreseeable future, the Ops Dept is presented with an interesting opportunity. The Sox can choose to pick with the intention of not signing the pick. If they lowball far enough, one of two things can happen. First, we draft with the assumption that the pick signs for cheap and we will have a bunch of cash to sign away sign-ability question marks which we could scoop up in the first 10 rounds as opposed to outside of it, as was the strategy last year for many teams, therefore giving us a competitive advantage. The other possibility is he doesn’t sign, and we take our chances with the 2014 draft. One caveat would be that if he doesn’t sign, we lose that money to shift to other players. That being said, the Red Sox could play the draft safely, expecting to lowball the top pick, but continue their strategy implemented last year, and just pick the sign-ability question marks outside the top 10 rounds.
So, the hypothetical argument is that IF we draft at 5 (or better), we SHOULD plan to lose the pick BECAUSE the 2014 draft will be stronger, and ASSUME that we will not pick this high again for some time. Is this a plan of action that makes sense? These are all assumptions, some bigger than others, and predicated on the idea that the 2014 draft will be so much stronger that the strength of a 6th pick will be worth more than a 5th pick, something which I have no knowledge of.
(One question that I can’t readily find an answer to online which could change the shape of the argument, or at least make it more complicated: Is it illegal to deliberately lowball an offer to a draft pick, does a team need to prove to the MLB that they made every effort to sign a player?)
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 9, 2012 15:48:32 GMT -5
Now tied for 6th with Miami, half game up on KC which won. June is going to be fun!!!!
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 9, 2012 16:46:34 GMT -5
KC wins in the tenth. This reminds me of the Toronto Tank watch of 2009-2010 when the Bruins wound up with Tyler Seguin. Big difference though; its not an opponent we hope tanks.
And Who would have thunk that,eighteen months ago when we had our "dream team", we'd be in this situation now.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 9, 2012 17:37:28 GMT -5
1.Mark Appel, RHP, Stanford 2.Austin Meadows, OF, Grayson HS (GA) 3.Clinton Hollon, RHP, Woodford County HS (KY) 4.Clint Frazier, OF, Loganville, GA 5.Ryne Stanek, RHP, Arkansas 6.Kris Bryant, 3B, San Diego 7.Sean Manaea, LHP, Indiana State 8.Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Cathedral Catholic HS (CA) 9.Austin Wilson, OF, Stanford 10.Oscar Mercado, SS, Gaither HS (FL) Bobby Wahl, RHP, Ole Miss Jeremy Martinez, C, Mater Dei HS (CA)
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 9, 2012 17:53:24 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 11 draft spot (as of 9/10am):
#6 MIA -- (wins tiebreaker with any teams other than SD/KC based on 2011 record) #7 BOS -- (now 1-11 in their last 12 games against LAA, OAK, SEA and TOR) #8 KC 0.5 GB (wins tiebreaker with any other team (tied with SD) based on 2011 record) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 TOR 2.0 GB #11 NYM 2.5 GB #12 SD 3.0 GB (wins tiebreaker with any team (tied with KC) based on 2011 record)
Note: the top 11 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
With MIA and KC both winning, BOS has moved into the #7 spot, tied with MIA and 0.5 games ahead of (behind?) KC. BOS has a well-deserved day off on Monday before heading off to play the AL East teams the rest of the way. It should be noted that Boston loses the tiebreaker with any teams.
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Post by templeusox on Sept 9, 2012 19:16:03 GMT -5
As much as I love the race to the bottom, and I do, the Sox newfound cluelessness in amateur scouting tempers everything. Punting this year's draft was ill-conceived.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 9, 2012 20:31:24 GMT -5
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