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Draft order (Red Sox will pick #7)
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Post by raftsox on Sept 17, 2012 10:48:17 GMT -5
Interesting line 'o though jmei.
2012 season O-Swing% = 29.8, top 10 Z-Swing% = 64.1, bottom 10 O-contact% = 69.8, top 5 Z-contact% = 87.9, middle
Previous 30 games O-Swing% = 31, top 10 Z-Swing% = 61.9, bottom 5 O-contact% = 70, top 5 Z-contact% = 90, top 1
So they're connecting with what they swing at, but they're letting a lot more strikes go.
My belief hasn't changed though: they are not getting on base enough and they aren't hitting when anyone is in scoring position.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 18, 2012 10:28:53 GMT -5
Winning three of four doesn't do anything for our draft position. Right now we're 10th with Pit slotted in at nine. Toronto nipping at our heels. Of course the order can change quickly.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 18, 2012 16:09:13 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong but there isn't a single solid prospect who projects without caveats as a legit #1 pitcher in the draft (i.e. no Strassburg, Price, Bundy, etc), and I'm not seeing a transformative-type position player (i.e. Trout, Harper, Longoria, Ryan Zimmerman, Braun, Tulowitzki, Posey, Weiters).
Yawn.
Help me get excited here.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 18, 2012 16:54:07 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong but there isn't a single solid prospect who projects without caveats as a legit #1 pitcher in the draft (i.e. no Strassburg, Price, Bundy, etc), and I'm not seeing a transformative-type position player (i.e. Trout, Harper, Longoria, Ryan Zimmerman, Braun, Tulowitzki, Posey, Weiters). Yawn. Help me get excited here. You would prefer they pick 27th in this draft? They're still going to get a better player than they typically would. Maybe that you won't have to sit through the entire first round for the Sox pick? I'm just spitballin' here.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 18, 2012 17:58:17 GMT -5
I trust Amiel and he will get the job done. He must be pumped to draft top ten in each round. When in doubt draft pitching.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 18, 2012 19:32:01 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong but there isn't a single solid prospect who projects without caveats as a legit #1 pitcher in the draft (i.e. no Strassburg, Price, Bundy, etc), and I'm not seeing a transformative-type position player (i.e. Trout, Harper, Longoria, Ryan Zimmerman, Braun, Tulowitzki, Posey, Weiters). Yawn. Help me get excited here. Well, the absolute primo players who project as stars virtually without question don't last to pick 7 anyway. And a guy like Trout, who was drafted #25, obviously wasn't identified as a guy who could unquestionably do what he's done, or he would have gone at the top of the draft. So you either draft at the very top to get the closest thing to guarantees, or you luck out and get the guys who transform themselves, but who weren't clearly in that class at draft/signing time, which could happen at any time. And the Sox in fact did get one such gem recently -- the 2011 Ellsbury. It just doesn't look as if he's going to be a career gem. All of which I'm sure is doing the opposite of getting you excited.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 18, 2012 20:48:36 GMT -5
I'd be excited if it was the 2011 draft class. If this was the NFL the Sox would likely be trading down or out of this round. Since that's not an option I'm still waiting for Cinderella.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 19, 2012 6:28:52 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 11 draft spot (as of 9/19am):
#6 MIA -- #7 KC 1.0 GB (wins tiebreaker with NYM based on 2011 record) #8 NYM 1.0 GB #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 TOR 2.0 GB (wins tiebreaker with BOS based on 2011 record) #11 BOS 2.0 GB #12 SEA 4.0 GB
MIA/BOS/SEA have 13 games left, KC/NYM have 15 games left and TOR has 17 games left.
Note: the top 11 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
It should be noted that BOS loses the tiebreaker with any team.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 19, 2012 7:48:16 GMT -5
4 spots dropped by winning 4 of 5. Unacceptable.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 19, 2012 10:22:02 GMT -5
4 spots dropped by winning 4 of 5. Unacceptable. Seriously, just awful, not to mention they are beating the wrong team, Rays are the only shot at making this Yankees collapse happen. Just when we thought they had it going the right direction, they start winning games.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 20, 2012 13:01:45 GMT -5
What a bunch of losers. So we went through a 10 game losing streak and a pretty bad stretches for nothing? We have to finish at least 8th.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 20, 2012 14:20:39 GMT -5
This is funny! I was telling my wife that for the 1st time I'm hoping the kids play well but they lose......and of course they start winning. Maybe this is the secret formula we have all been looking for: root for the other team and the Sox will then win....how wickedly simple!
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Post by jioh on Sept 21, 2012 6:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 21, 2012 6:34:57 GMT -5
That could explain Zach Stewart getting another start. 13 games left. 2-11. Make it happen
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 21, 2012 9:53:49 GMT -5
I believe Alex is correct, and I will change my draft pick update accordingly. Section 4(c)(i) of the CBA states in relevant part as follows:Notwithstanding the above, a Club shall not be required to forfeit a selection in the top ten of the first round of the Rule 4 Draft, and its highest available selection shall be deemed its first selection following the tenth selection of the first round. Section 4(c)(ii) of the CBA states in relevant part as follows:With the exception of draft selections awarded to a Club pursuant to Major League Rule 4(c)(2), all of a Club’s draft selections will be subject to forfeiture pursuant to subsection 4(c)(i) above, including draft selections obtained through assignments, draft selections obtained in the Competitive Balance Lotteries and Forfeited Draft Pick Lotteries, and draft selections awarded as compensation pursuant to subsection 4(b) above (note: these are the supp picks). MLR 4(c)(2) states in relevant part as follows:If a Major League Club selects a player before the fourth round of a First-Year Player Draft ... and such Club fails to sign such player before such player is removed from such Club’s Negotiation List ..., then such Club shall have the right to make an additional selection, called a supplemental selection, in the next First-Year Player Draft, as follows: (A) If the unsigned player had been selected before the third round of the First-Year Player Draft, the supplemental selection awarded shall be exercised immediately after the numbered position overall that corresponds with the numbered position overall at which the unsigned player had been selected in the previous First-Year Player Draft. For example, if the unsigned player had been the 30th selection in the First-Year Player Draft, the supplemental selection awarded shall be the 31st selection in the next First-Year Player Draft.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 21, 2012 10:02:37 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 10 draft spot (as of 9/21am):
#6 MIA -- (84 losses) #7 NYM 0.5 GB (83 losses) #8 TOR 1.0 GB (82 losses) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 BOS 1.5 GB (83 losses) #11 KC 2.5 GB (81 losses) #12 SEA 4.0 GB (80 losses)
BOS has 11 games left, MIA/SEA have 12 games left, KC/NYM have 13 games left and TOR has 14 games left.
Note: the top 10 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
It should be noted that BOS loses a tiebreaker with any team. Tiebreaker order (for the better draft pick) is SEA, KC, MIA, NYM, TOR and BOS.
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Post by remember04 on Sept 21, 2012 10:18:00 GMT -5
We have to get ahead of Toronto, I can't handle another draft watching them take the guys I want right ahead of us.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 21, 2012 16:41:46 GMT -5
We have to get ahead of Toronto, I can't handle another draft watching them take the guys I want right ahead of us. well, we're one up on them in teh loss column
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 22, 2012 16:11:41 GMT -5
6.Miami 66 86 .434 0 7.Toronto 66 83 .443 1.5 (vs. Tampa) 8.Boston 68 85 .444 1.5 9.PITT 10.NY Mets 68 83 .450 2.5 11.Kansas City 69 81 .460 3 (vs. Cleveland)
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 23, 2012 1:31:33 GMT -5
It's the only race that matters - the battle for a top 10 draft spot (as of 9/23am):
#6 MIA -- (86 losses, NYMx4, ATLx3, PHIx3) #7 TOR 1.0 GB (84 losses, TBx1, BALx4, MFYx4, MINx3) #8 BOS 1.5 GB (85 losses, BALx4, TBx2, MFYx3) #9 PIT (compensation pick due to failure to sign Mark Appel) #10 NYM 2.5 GB (83 losses, MIAx4, PITx4, ATLx3) #11 KC 4.5 GB (81 losses, CLEx4, DETx7)
BOS has 9 games left, MIA has 10 games left, KC/NYM have 11 games left and TOR has 12 games left.
Note: the top 10 draft picks are protected and cannot be lost.
It should be noted that BOS loses a tiebreaker with any team. Tiebreaker order (for the better draft pick) is KC, MIA, NYM, TOR and BOS.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 23, 2012 1:53:03 GMT -5
With the games remaining for the two teams ahead of us its gonna be tough to pass them specially the Blue Jays. At least lets hope we finish ahead of Pit's comp pick.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 23, 2012 7:13:27 GMT -5
With the games remaining for the two teams ahead of us its gonna be tough to pass them specially the Blue Jays. At least lets hope we finish ahead of Pit's comp pick. It sure does look like the Jays are even worse than us currently and have thrown in the towel (the soap, the shampoo, the razor, etc.). I've given up on 6th and probably 7th, and hope we can pull off #8.
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Post by mjammz on Sept 23, 2012 9:29:37 GMT -5
With the games remaining for the two teams ahead of us its gonna be tough to pass them specially the Blue Jays. At least lets hope we finish ahead of Pit's comp pick. As long as we can stay tied with the Blue Jays heading into the final series of the season, their 3 games vs. the Twins will likely decide where we pick. We also have played 3 more games than the Blue Jays, if they win 1 of the 3 games they have to play, that could vault us over them. I still believe when it's all said and done that the Red Sox will pick no lower than #7. Ben Cherington sounded very aware of where they stand and what they need to do to get a higher draft pick on Speiers podcast. Hence, Cook, Stewart, Dice-K pithcing the majority of the final 9 games. I say we go 2-7 over the final nine games.
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Post by borisman on Sept 24, 2012 13:19:11 GMT -5
0-9 or bust!!
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Post by nomar on Sept 24, 2012 15:28:14 GMT -5
Clint Frazier looks like a monster.
The draft prospects will fluctuate by the time the draft rolls around anyways, its pointless to speculate what we will get with our first pick.
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