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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2016 12:43:34 GMT -5
This is great news that came out today. The Sox are in the mix with everyone if they actually show interest and want Otani now (they should and will). They could have the best pitching prospect in the world controllable for a posting fee of 20 million plus the 5 million dollars (maybe more if they can acquire more international pool money) for the next 6+ years. Unless Otani manipulates the system by saying he'll only accept a 1 or 2 year deal. He can only accept a signing bonus in exchange for the usual 6 years of control.
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Post by sarcasmo on Dec 11, 2016 12:58:36 GMT -5
Ahhh. That makes sense.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 11, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -5
Unless Otani manipulates the system by saying he'll only accept a 1 or 2 year deal. He can only accept a signing bonus in exchange for the usual 6 years of control. Well then.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 13:07:01 GMT -5
Unless Otani manipulates the system by saying he'll only accept a 1 or 2 year deal. He would be a minor leaguer and subject to the same rules as any other minor leaguer signed as a free agent. Minimum salaries in MiLB until MLB, then minimum MLB salary for 3 years and then arbitration for 3 years - unless the team chooses to pay him more out of the 'goodness of their hearts'. But any significant increase above these rates would be thoroughly investigated. This is why many suspect he won't be posted despite what has been reported. It seems like Otani is going for reasons besides money, which is very different and rare. He might just want to get his MLB career started asap. Whoever wants Otani is going to have to let him hit though, which seems to be his number one desire however. The Sox do have a DH spot open now....
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 13:13:12 GMT -5
Think about this, the Chris Sale deal now puts the Sox in a better position then most to get Otani if he wants to win now....
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Post by telson13 on Dec 11, 2016 15:02:55 GMT -5
Think about this, the Chris Sale deal now puts the Sox in a better position then most to get Otani if he wants to win now.... You're kidding, right? Just how much do you think Otani is going to cost? If the Sox pay him, Sale's gone. He's a 102.5 mph-throwing Tanaka/Darvish who projects to be a plus hitter with plus power. He's looking at probably 10/$300M, conservatively, if he waits until he's a true FA. My guess is that he does, instead of taking $6M after 2017.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 15:05:31 GMT -5
Think about this, the Chris Sale deal now puts the Sox in a better position then most to get Otani if he wants to win now.... You're kidding, right? Just how much do you think Otani is going to cost? If the Sox pay him, Sale's gone. He's a 102.5 mph-throwing Tanaka/Darvish who projects to be a plus hitter with plus power. He's looking at probably 10/$300M, conservatively, if he waits until he's a true FA. My guess is that he does, instead of taking $6M after 2017. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/quick-hits-otani-red-sox-brewers-phillies.html?fv-home=true&post-id=80280The thing is though, reportedly he doesn't want to wait. Yes it's mind boggling how much money he's leaving on the table to come to America next year, but it looks like it's happening.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 15:22:02 GMT -5
Again, it looks like Otani isn't coming to America to play baseball for money related reasons. The guy is a different kind of player it seems like.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 15:56:51 GMT -5
Giving up hundreds of millions of dollars because you can't wait a couple years doesn't make you "different", it makes you a moron.
And it's not going to happen. Don't take one report based on something his manager said (through translation) like it's gospel.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 16:05:57 GMT -5
Giving up hundreds of millions of dollars because you can't wait a couple years doesn't make you "different", it makes you a moron. And it's not going to happen. Don't take one report based on something his manager said (through translation) like it's gospel. So far his team said he was posting him, his manager said he believes he's going to America next year, the only person we have all yet to hear from is Otani himself. I mean what else do you need to make you believe he's coming over next year? So far every indication has him pointing to him coming over despite the obvious dollar figure reasons why he wouldn't come.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 16:35:55 GMT -5
There is no pro athlete on earth who puts "love of the game" over *that* much money. Use common sense and don't get your hopes up.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 16:50:06 GMT -5
There is no pro athlete on earth who puts "love of the game" over *that* much money. Use common sense and don't get your hopes up. I'm using common sense and reading all the smoke signals come out of Japan. I'm not concerned at the moment because it's a year away, but it this scenario is getting more real by the day here. It's not like I'm making this stuff up.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 11, 2016 17:23:39 GMT -5
There is no pro athlete on earth who puts "love of the game" over *that* much money. Use common sense and don't get your hopes up. I'm using common sense and reading all the smoke signals come out of Japan. I'm not concerned at the moment because it's a year away, but it this scenario is getting more real by the day here. It's not like I'm making this stuff up. I'm taking those reports with an Ayer's rock/Uluru-sized grain of salt.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2016 18:27:38 GMT -5
There is no pro athlete on earth who puts "love of the game" over *that* much money. Use common sense and don't get your hopes up. There is no person on earth who knows what Otani will do better than Otani. You don't either.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 19:46:28 GMT -5
Right. I also don't "know" that Bryce Harper isn't going to sign with Oakland for 5 million a year. Great point by you.
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Post by gunboat82 on Dec 11, 2016 20:16:56 GMT -5
Right. I also don't "know" that Bryce Harper isn't going to sign with Oakland for 5 million a year. Great point by you. In fairness, multiple sources have indicated that Otani is still interested in coming to the U.S. in 2018 despite the rule change. On the other hand, Harper (via Boras) is linked to reports that he's seeking a contract in the neighborhood of $500M. I'm not sure why'd you compare Harper, who is very openly trying to become the highest-paid player in MLB history, to Otani, who has indicated that he's more interested in beginning his career here than in feathering his nest with Monopoly money. Obviously, Otani could change his tune very quickly, but at this point you're comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2016 20:49:26 GMT -5
Right. I also don't "know" that Bryce Harper isn't going to sign with Oakland for 5 million a year. Great point by you. Well there are reports that he's coming here anyway despite the rule change which have come out since the CBA was signed. You have no other information other than "No way he will!" Maybe if there were reports that Harper wanted to go to Oakland and doesn't care about how much money he gets paid, they'd be similar scenarios. No need to be a jerk.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 11, 2016 21:06:30 GMT -5
There is no pro athlete on earth who puts "love of the game" over *that* much money. Use common sense and don't get your hopes up. Keep in mind that the *that* you referred to would be three years later. If he's as good as advertised, he'll get his money 3-4 years after that. It's not like as if Japanese players are making the big bucks.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:21:18 GMT -5
He wouldn't reach free agency for six years. For a pitcher, that's an eternity. And he would make almost if not as much in Japan over the next three years anyway.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:27:39 GMT -5
Right. I also don't "know" that Bryce Harper isn't going to sign with Oakland for 5 million a year. Great point by you. Well there are reports that he's coming here anyway despite the rule change which have come out since the CBA was signed. You have no other information other than "No way he will!" Maybe if there were reports that Harper wanted to go to Oakland and doesn't care about how much money he gets paid, they'd be similar scenarios. No need to be a jerk. Report, singular. One tweet, by a guy you've never heard of, in bad English, quoting what Otani's manager *thinks* will happen. No need to misrepresent the facts (well I guess you do need to when making a terrible ooint).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2016 21:33:37 GMT -5
I'm using common sense and reading all the smoke signals come out of Japan. I'm not concerned at the moment because it's a year away, but it this scenario is getting more real by the day here. It's not like I'm making this stuff up. I'm taking those reports with an Ayer's rock/Uluru-sized grain of salt. Well where there's smoke there's fire imo. First the story about him getting potentially posted, then his manager telling everyone what he thinks Otani is going to do (he would have a good idea what Otani wants being around him all the time). It's a good situation for the Sox either way. Either he's posted next year and the Sox can get him for 6 cheap controllable years or the Sox don't have to get in a bidding war against the Yankees and Dodgers for this guy until 2019.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2016 21:33:38 GMT -5
This is the way the world works now. Someone says something you don't agree with, just attack them. Sad.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 11, 2016 21:36:37 GMT -5
To a kid, three years is an eternity. He's already said he's anxious to get his MLB career started. The Ham-Fighters (makes you wonder if Japanese people get attacked by hams at the grocery store) have already said they would post him. Nobody is counting on it and nobody is counting on the Red Sox getting him if he does but I see no valid reason to think otherwise.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:38:06 GMT -5
Jimed, you don't actually believe Otani is coming over to sign for a few million, you were just bothered by my tone and felt the need to step in. Not my fault.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 11, 2016 21:40:55 GMT -5
To a kid, three years is an eternity. Okay, let's test your theory and offer Mookie a 6 year/6m dollar extension. I would love to be wrong.
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