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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 11, 2016 22:26:36 GMT -5
I just deleted some posts that were just members bitching at each other. That's not going to fly. Let's be civil, folks. ---- Anyway, back on topic, was listening to MLB Pipeline's Winter Meetings podcast. Callis mentioned seeing Passan's tweet that the owners can tweak the system if Otani comes next year, and he asked around about how exactly that could work. What he heard was that the most likely way they could do this would be for the MLB teams to change the posting rules. My guess is that this means they'd allow him to sign for an MLB deal or something after being posted.
If Otani wants to come over next year and his team will post him, MLB will find a way to make it happen, and offering him the standard minor league contract and getting a $9M bonus or what have you isn't going to get him over here. No way.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 12, 2016 1:20:55 GMT -5
I just deleted some posts that were just members bitching at each other. That's not going to fly. Let's be civil, folks. ---- Anyway, back on topic, was listening to MLB Pipeline's Winter Meetings podcast. Callis mentioned seeing Passan's tweet that the owners can tweak the system if Otani comes next year, and he asked around about how exactly that could work. What he heard was that the most likely way they could do this would be for the MLB teams to change the posting rules. My guess is that this means they'd allow him to sign for an MLB deal or something after being posted. If Otani wants to come over next year and his team will post him, MLB will find a way to make it happen, and offering him the standard minor league contract and getting a $9M bonus or what have you isn't going to get him over here. No way. In one of his articles that I quoted someplace, Badler also felt MLB would make some sort of change for Otani or else Japanese players in general. He thought the marketing implications are too substantial not to.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 12, 2016 3:11:19 GMT -5
To a kid, three years is an eternity. Okay, let's test your theory and offer Mookie a 6 year/6m dollar extension. I would love to be wrong. Mookie has plenty of options. Otani really only has two options. Wait and risk blowing out your arm in Japan (every starting pitcher that comes over seems to become a health hazard by the end of their first contracts with Dice-K, Darvish, and Tanaka) or come here and start a unique career in the majors where he wants to both hit and pitch a lot. This is where games matter. Players are attracted to playing against the best competition in the world here in America.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 12, 2016 3:15:38 GMT -5
I just deleted some posts that were just members bitching at each other. That's not going to fly. Let's be civil, folks. ---- Anyway, back on topic, was listening to MLB Pipeline's Winter Meetings podcast. Callis mentioned seeing Passan's tweet that the owners can tweak the system if Otani comes next year, and he asked around about how exactly that could work. What he heard was that the most likely way they could do this would be for the MLB teams to change the posting rules. My guess is that this means they'd allow him to sign for an MLB deal or something after being posted. If Otani wants to come over next year and his team will post him, MLB will find a way to make it happen, and offering him the standard minor league contract and getting a $9M bonus or what have you isn't going to get him over here. No way. Ya complicated stuff. They change a rule and make it one way, then a year later, they have to make exceptions for these same exact players. Just bizarre and poorly planned in general. I wonder if MLB just forgot about Japan in this CBA.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 12, 2016 8:25:58 GMT -5
Okay, let's test your theory and offer Mookie a 6 year/6m dollar extension. I would love to be wrong. Mookie has plenty of options. Otani really only has two options. Wait and risk blowing out your arm in Japan (every starting pitcher that comes over seems to become a health hazard by the end of their first contracts with Dice-K, Darvish, and Tanaka) or come here and start a unique career in the majors where he wants to both hit and pitch a lot. This is where games matter. Players are attracted to playing against the best competition in the world here in America. He can't blow his arm out here? While playing for the league minimum and arb salaries? Sorry, not a very good argument.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 12, 2016 13:34:18 GMT -5
Mookie has plenty of options. Otani really only has two options. Wait and risk blowing out your arm in Japan (every starting pitcher that comes over seems to become a health hazard by the end of their first contracts with Dice-K, Darvish, and Tanaka) or come here and start a unique career in the majors where he wants to both hit and pitch a lot. This is where games matter. Players are attracted to playing against the best competition in the world here in America. He can't blow his arm out here? While playing for the league minimum and arb salaries? Sorry, not a very good argument. Well he easily can, but he'd be collecting service time if he was injured.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 15, 2016 23:37:19 GMT -5
I think it's ridiculous that, based on the new rules, Otani is considered an amateur FA if he were to become available. How can you call a guy with 3+ years of experience, who was just the MVP of the league, an amateur?
I understand the new age requirement and such but, it's like someone already said, it's like everyone forget about Asian players in the new CBA.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 16, 2016 0:03:21 GMT -5
I just deleted some posts that were just members bitching at each other. That's not going to fly. Let's be civil, folks. ---- Anyway, back on topic, was listening to MLB Pipeline's Winter Meetings podcast. Callis mentioned seeing Passan's tweet that the owners can tweak the system if Otani comes next year, and he asked around about how exactly that could work. What he heard was that the most likely way they could do this would be for the MLB teams to change the posting rules. My guess is that this means they'd allow him to sign for an MLB deal or something after being posted. If Otani wants to come over next year and his team will post him, MLB will find a way to make it happen, and offering him the standard minor league contract and getting a $9M bonus or what have you isn't going to get him over here. No way. Thanks for the update Chris! I'm very concerned that the Sox won't be in the running based on their payroll issues, but man, would I love to see him on the Sox. One would think that, after the success of Darvish, Tanaka, Iwakuma, Maeda, et al that there would be little concern re: his skills translating to MLB.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 16, 2016 0:26:58 GMT -5
I just deleted some posts that were just members bitching at each other. That's not going to fly. Let's be civil, folks. ---- Anyway, back on topic, was listening to MLB Pipeline's Winter Meetings podcast. Callis mentioned seeing Passan's tweet that the owners can tweak the system if Otani comes next year, and he asked around about how exactly that could work. What he heard was that the most likely way they could do this would be for the MLB teams to change the posting rules. My guess is that this means they'd allow him to sign for an MLB deal or something after being posted. If Otani wants to come over next year and his team will post him, MLB will find a way to make it happen, and offering him the standard minor league contract and getting a $9M bonus or what have you isn't going to get him over here. No way. Thanks for the update Chris! I'm very concerned that the Sox won't be in the running based on their payroll issues, but man, would I love to see him on the Sox. One would think that, after the success of Darvish, Tanaka, Iwakuma, Maeda, et al that there would be little concern re: his skills translating to MLB. If the Red Sox can stay under the luxury tax limit this season that sets them up to make a run at Otani next year, and he is certainly worth paying luxury tax for. Honestly I'd like to see the Red Sox spend a lot for the best international talent this upcoming July and I'd rather see the Red Sox go all in on Otani next offseason and "sit out" the big 2018-2019 offseason of free agents. I don't think there's anybody like Otani out there despite the Harper/Machado etc. class that fits what the Sox could use the way Otani does. A very young star pitcher who can hit? They could pitch and DH him. Of course I'd expect the Yankees and the Cubs to be huge bidders as well as I'm sure the Dodgers would be, too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 16, 2016 2:03:52 GMT -5
If there becomes a truly open market for Otani, it will be all Yankees or Dodgers.
The Sox will be in the hunt but they will probably fall short. The CBA restrictions would actually help the Sox' chances of getting Otani because the money will be low anyways. At that point he would be looking for a team that probably has a chance to win. The Sox have the edge over anyone in this area in 2018.
Like Chris said though, a 9 million dollar signing bonus probably won't happen.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 16, 2016 5:15:48 GMT -5
At that point he would be looking for a team that probably has a chance to win. Or a team where he would be the undisputed ace. Or a team with a large Japanese fan base.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 16, 2016 5:21:44 GMT -5
At that point he would be looking for a team that probably has a chance to win. Or a team where he would be the undisputed ace. Or a team with a large Japanese fan base. Boston has a large Japanese fan base. Not New York, but it's nothing to sniff away at. He wouldn't be a undisputed ACE on the Dodgers or Yankees either, unless Tanaka leaves the Yankees.
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 16, 2016 9:20:40 GMT -5
If there becomes a truly open market for Otani, it will be all Yankees or Dodgers. I know. Moncada all over again.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 16, 2016 12:28:12 GMT -5
Or a team where he would be the undisputed ace. Or a team with a large Japanese fan base. Boston has a large Japanese fan base. Not New York, but it's nothing to sniff away at. Far smaller though than, say, Seattle. Point is, if he would truly forgo hundreds of millions of dollars (I doubt this, I suspect his manager is making these statements to provoke MLB into action), then how can any of us claim to understand his mindset and know by which criteria he would choose a team?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 16, 2016 13:37:21 GMT -5
I'd imagine the Sox can find some money: Craig 10 million (after 1 mil buyout) Buchholz 13.5 million Crawford $857,000
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 16, 2016 17:36:40 GMT -5
If there becomes a truly open market for Otani, it will be all Yankees or Dodgers. I know. Moncada all over again. I just think that Otani is a little more proven then Moncada and both the Yankees and Dodgers have more money laying around this time. Otani is a lot better and a lot closer than Moncada was back then.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 16, 2016 17:51:42 GMT -5
I'd imagine the Sox can find some money: Craig 10 million (after 1 mil buyout) Buchholz 13.5 million Crawford $857,000 That's only 14 million dollars under the threshold. I just don't see where the room is going to come to get Otani in a open market unless the Sox plan to blow past the tax threshold for the next 2-3 years (after the Sox reset the tax threshold in 2017).
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 7, 2017 13:57:37 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale
Shohei Ohtani, the Babe Ruth of Japan, told 60 Minutes he will sign with #MLB team after season, which could cost him $200M by not waiting. 10:22 AM · Apr 7, 2017
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 7, 2017 14:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Apr 7, 2017 16:20:40 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale Shohei Ohtani, the Babe Ruth of Japan, told 60 Minutes he will sign with #MLB team after season, which could cost him $200M by not waiting. 10:22 AM · Apr 7, 2017 Really, really trying to figure out how his team agrees to this with a young, controllable superstar still potentially yet to reach his prime - unless of course, some team has agreed to pass them a pallet of cash on the sly. It would be like granting Clayton Kershaw or Mike Trout their unconditional release for $20M two years into their MLB service time. Makes. No. Sense.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 7, 2017 16:22:14 GMT -5
I'd imagine the Sox can find some money: Craig 10 million (after 1 mil buyout) Buchholz 13.5 million Crawford $857,000 That's only 14 million dollars under the threshold. I just don't see where the room is going to come to get Otani in a open market unless the Sox plan to blow past the tax threshold for the next 2-3 years (after the Sox reset the tax threshold in 2017). btw, I absolutely think they plan on blowing past the threshold after this year - whether it's for someone like Otani if he does actually become available - or, more likely Machado or Harper, with extensions to Mookie and possibly Xander and JBJ.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 7, 2017 16:24:24 GMT -5
That's only 14 million dollars under the threshold. I just don't see where the room is going to come to get Otani in a open market unless the Sox plan to blow past the tax threshold for the next 2-3 years (after the Sox reset the tax threshold in 2017). btw, I absolutely think they plan on blowing past the threshold after this year - whether it's for someone like Omani if he does actually become available - or, more likely Machado or Harper, with extensions to Mookie and possibly Xander and JBJ. I hope the Sox are all over Otani and hopefully he choses to come here. 200 million is hard to pass up for 2 years but he seems hellbent on coming here.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 7, 2017 23:56:06 GMT -5
He sounds like he has the old-school samurai warrior mentality: what drives him is the competition. He wants to face, and beat, the best. All else is ancilliary. It's tough to imagine in this day and age, but he sounds like he means it. Whoever wants him is going to have to let him play both sides of the ball. I really, really hope the Sox hop on that train. He could be a legend if his abilities translate as well as some of his contemporaries...the kind of player who transcends the sport.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 8, 2017 0:01:09 GMT -5
One thing the Sox have going for them: they're contenders already. My guess is, he's gonna want the biggest stage ASAP. The Yankees can't provide that; LAD and Cubs can. Maybe SF, although they're up against the cap (or over it, I think). Can't see him in Cleveland, as good as they are.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 8, 2017 9:17:18 GMT -5
One thing the Sox have going for them: they're contenders already. My guess is, he's gonna want the biggest stage ASAP. The Yankees can't provide that; LAD and Cubs can. Maybe SF, although they're up against the cap (or over it, I think). Can't see him in Cleveland, as good as they are. I wouldn't count the Yankees out of the Otani sweepstakes. They have a very good farm system and should be on the way up. They have the money and the need for pitching and Tanaka is also on the team assuming the Yankees throw some money at him which I suspect they will. I do see the Yankees, Cubs (he'd be a great fit with the Cubs and there's no way Theo isn't going all out for him), and Dodgers going the hardest after him. I suspect the Red Sox will be in the mix, but I don't know that they will come away with him. Dombrowski likes his "elite" stars and there is no better one to get than Otani in my opinion. He fits what the Red Sox need better than anybody coming up on the horizon. The outfield is full so Bryce Harper and his outrageous demands are not exactly necessary and if Devers is what they think he is they don't need to throw big bucks at Machado. The big get for the Red Sox would be Otani who can help absorb the loss of either Sale and/or Porcello down the road, but still play a position or DH (with Ramirez sliding over to 1b and Travis becoming expendable) if need be.
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