SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
8/27 ML Gameday Thread: Salem Sox Doubleheader
|
Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 27, 2014 8:11:20 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by widewordofsport on Aug 27, 2014 9:11:49 GMT -5
Low minors have the interesting guys today, but it may be a good day to discuss the futures of Couch/Hernandez. Both seem like candidates in a different year to get added, start a game, and DFA/traded in an injury situation (think Kason Gabbard). I'm not going to suggest either is a prospect or has a long-term place with the franchise, just that they both have had some nice flashes in the minors, and I have a soft spot for 'cup of coffee' guys.
However in this situation, where there are both prospects and employees (Wright) ahead of them, either could be taken in the R5D (especially Couch, since he scouts a bit better from what I can tell), though unlikely. Interesting to see if they get traded, added, or if other trades make them candidates for brief callups next year.
Edit: If Couch isn't taken, next year may be the time to see if his stuff plays up as a RP. I just don't know much about either from a scouting perspective.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2014 10:23:03 GMT -5
FWIW, Kason Gabbard wasn't a non-prospect. He topped out at #13 on the site rankings and was part of a trade in which he returned a player who, in theory at least, could have been a key piece of the MLB bullpen (lord knows it didn't go that way). In hindsight, it looks like he was a throw in, Murphy was the key guy, and Beltre was the promising prospect, but at the time he and Murphy probably had comparable value, if you can believe it.
He was probably never going to be a rotation mainstay, but he probably graded out prospect-wise somewhere a little below Wright's level right now - this being a better system than the one he was ranked highest in, I'd probably say he'd be somewhere in the 20s in this one.
I only point this out 1) to toss a bit of history in here for those who may not have followed the system then, and 2) to make sure we're not underestimating the level of prospect that even gets to reach the majors for a cup of coffee.
|
|
|
Post by pedroiaesque on Aug 27, 2014 10:31:50 GMT -5
I liken Couch and Hernandez more to Stephen Fife and Kyle Weiland. I think their most likely fates are to be packaged with other players to fill holes on the MLB roster. Both are more likely to get that cup of coffee with another team. If Couch and Hernandez were around a couple years ago, they may have received their chance to debut with the Sox, but we have enough depth right now that there are just too many other pitchers ahead of them on the depth charts.
(That being said, we've all seen how quickly depth can dissipate...)
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2014 10:45:41 GMT -5
I liken Couch and Hernandez more to Stephen Fife and Kyle Weiland. I think their most likely fates are to be packaged with other players to fill holes on the MLB roster. Both are more likely to get that cup of coffee with another team. If Couch and Hernandez were around a couple years ago, they may have received their chance to debut with the Sox, but we have enough depth right now that there are just too many other pitchers ahead of them on the depth charts. (That being said, we've all seen how quickly depth can dissipate...) Eh, I don't even think they're that high. I'd say Weiland and Fife were about what Escobar is now (note: NOW, not the top 100 guy he was entering the year), maybe a smidge below but still above Wright. Tough to remember that in hindsight, given that Weiland's essentially missed two years due to injury (he's in AA now on his rehab and it looks like he's moved to the bullpen, which was probably where he was heading anyway), and Fife is out on the other coast but has become one of LA's spot guys rather than moving to the bullpen. Both were seen as potential #5's, even if more likely as relievers. That's above what we can really reasonably say about either Couch or Hernandez projection-wise.
|
|
|
Post by pedroiaesque on Aug 27, 2014 11:48:00 GMT -5
Eh, I don't even think they're that high. I'd say Weiland and Fife were about what Escobar is now (note: NOW, not the top 100 guy he was entering the year), maybe a smidge below but still above Wright. Tough to remember that in hindsight, given that Weiland's essentially missed two years due to injury (he's in AA now on his rehab and it looks like he's moved to the bullpen, which was probably where he was heading anyway), and Fife is out on the other coast but has become one of LA's spot guys rather than moving to the bullpen. Both were seen as potential #5's, even if more likely as relievers. That's above what we can really reasonably say about either Couch or Hernandez projection-wise. It wasn't so much a comment on their relative abilities as their ultimate fate in the Sox organization based on their position on the depth charts. I believe they are either add-ons for upcoming trades to bolster the MLB roster, orthe other option is the random trade of non 40-man minor leaguers to another team who may want to hold them for depth.
|
|
|
Post by okin15 on Aug 27, 2014 13:12:20 GMT -5
Hernandez is what he is, a solid guy who won't embarrass himself at AAA most times out, but really doesn't have the stuff to throw in the majors. It's not that he couldn't be called up for a spot start or relief appearance in a real emergency, but I don't think he's replacement level, and as such, has very limited value even as a throw-in piece.
Couch throws a little harder, to the point where I can see him being able to reach back for an inning out of the 'pen and help the major league club in that role, or perhaps be the 8/9th MLB starter to begin ST some year. In some ways, that's more than Bowden ever became, but it's really Couch's ceiling.
|
|
|
Post by redsox4242 on Aug 27, 2014 16:15:29 GMT -5
GCL wins 14-8: 15 Hits.
Guerra 3/6 1 HR 5 RBI Gravel 3/4 2 RBI Oliveras 3/5 1 RBI
|
|
|
Post by aussiesox on Aug 27, 2014 16:33:05 GMT -5
Margot appeared to be hurt after roping a double in the 2nd inning, couldn't get back to the bag and was tagged out, walked off under his own power, yet to see if he stays in the game. Edit: He stayed in the game, strange. Another Edit: He was pinch hit for in the 3rd lol
|
|
|
Post by widewordofsport on Aug 27, 2014 20:08:06 GMT -5
Jose Vinicio with a hit to bump his BA up to .233 in 30+ games with Salem.
The bad: a .225/.250/.275 line that is a 0.025 IsoD and a 0.050 IsoP; a 25K:3BB ratio. And a 0-5 stolen base (?!?) rate. I'm not gonna scout/judge a guy off 30 a game stat line coming off injury, but those are some strikingly u-g-l-y numbers.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 27, 2014 21:01:25 GMT -5
Excuse the digression, just remembered it. I have a friend that once brought a copy of the book 'The Little Train that Couldn't' (or whatever) to an Angels autograph session and got it commented and hand signed by Freddie Patek.
|
|
|
Post by widewordofsport on Aug 27, 2014 21:23:52 GMT -5
I also am looking forward to some scouting/offseason report on now #40 prospect Asuaje. 4-4 with three 2B in the makeup game.
For a short guy listed as 'below average power', he's slugging .539 with 15 HR at A/A+ this year. More triples than SB (12 vs. 7) so heck if I know what that means. Salem is a little more age-appropriate, too.
And best of all, he's now playing OF, and after the 5 OF on the active roster, and 4 more on the 40 man, there's only 5 more OF ahead of him for depth!
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 27, 2014 21:42:33 GMT -5
Other than above mentioned GCL and Asuaje and Vinicio, the only other position prospects with multiple hit games were Ceccini 2/3, BB and Travis 2/4 2B.
Our teams were 2-6 today.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 27, 2014 21:52:03 GMT -5
I believe that if Ranaudo takes over Workman's slot in Boston and Workman isn't recalled at roster expansion that Workman will have less than one year service time. They might also be able to recall him after the PawSox playoffs and still be under 1 year but that would be close.
Ranaudo is no longer listed as a probable at Pawtucket and Escobar appeared in relief today.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 27, 2014 22:30:38 GMT -5
From the Margot thread:
Joon Lee ?@iamjoonlee Manuel Margot collapsed running on the base paths for the Salem #RedSox. Source tells me that he suffered a “serious” ankle sprain.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 28, 2014 0:04:58 GMT -5
Margot appeared to be hurt after roping a double in the 2nd inning, couldn't get back to the bag and was tagged out, walked off under his own power, yet to see if he stays in the game. Edit: He stayed in the game, strange. Another Edit: He was pinch hit for in the 3rd lol The recap is showing that he didn't stay in the game. He was defensively substituted for the next half inning, the bottom of the second.
|
|
|
Post by aussiesox on Aug 28, 2014 0:50:37 GMT -5
Margot appeared to be hurt after roping a double in the 2nd inning, couldn't get back to the bag and was tagged out, walked off under his own power, yet to see if he stays in the game. Edit: He stayed in the game, strange. Another Edit: He was pinch hit for in the 3rd lol The recap is showing that he didn't stay in the game. He was defensively substituted for the next half inning, the bottom of the second. Fair enough, but I wouldn't guarantee it, I questioned Evan Lepler about an error Margot committed a week or so ago, and it wasn't him, it was Perkins, so the box score isn't always right... I was listening live and they definitely said he went back out there, and was about to go up for his 2nd AB when they subbed Perkins for him.
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,154
|
Post by radiohix on Aug 28, 2014 2:40:59 GMT -5
According to OTM's Joon Lee, the guy who broke the Margot to Salem promotion, Manny suffered a "serious" ankle sprain
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 28, 2014 4:07:36 GMT -5
The recap is showing that he didn't stay in the game. He was defensively substituted for the next half inning, the bottom of the second. Fair enough, but I wouldn't guarantee it, I questioned Evan Lepler about an error Margot committed a week or so ago, and it wasn't him, it was Perkins, so the box score isn't always right... I was listening live and they definitely said he went back out there, and was about to go up for his 2nd AB when they subbed Perkins for him. The box scores for minor league baseball in general are quite often corrected after the action. I'm guessing the Margot error was changed since it was likely also reported by Lepler to MiLB. I've had conversations with other announcers where I pointed out discrepancies and that's what usually happens. Most of the ones I've pointed out were already known to be incorrect at the time I mentioned them. If they were saying live that he went out for defense, I'd guess that it might be the case but that seems very unusual to me.
|
|
|
Post by aussiesox on Aug 28, 2014 7:26:26 GMT -5
Yeah, Evan was quick to point that out, and made sure to have it amended the next morning on MiLB.
"I was late to the first game (damn 5pm DH start times). Apparently he stayed in game for an inning and then left." - Tucker Blair, who was in Frederick last night
Hard to believe he played through it if it was too serious a sprain.
|
|
|