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John Farrell hired as manager, Mike Aviles to TOR
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Post by jmei on Oct 21, 2012 0:08:36 GMT -5
Sidenote: if this transaction results in Pedro Ciriaco being a part of the Opening Day 25-man roster, I will be quite upset.
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Post by jdb on Oct 21, 2012 0:09:35 GMT -5
Doesn't Farrell have ties to Rick Peterson for a potential PC?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 21, 2012 0:10:37 GMT -5
Some thoughts:
a) the way this search went kind of cements, for me at least, my theory that Bobby V was only even hired to be a two-year stopgap for when Farrell was available. The interviews were done to give the Sox leverage in talks with the Jays and figure out who Plan B. was. (I'm ok with that)
b) Thank the Punto trade for this being the deal. Sox didn't have to think twice about taking on Lind's $5M for this year and $2M buyout because they have oodles of room money-wise.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 21, 2012 0:13:00 GMT -5
Some thoughts: a) the way this search went kind of cements, for me at least, my theory that Bobby V was only even hired to be a two-year stopgap for when Farrell was available. The interviews were done to give the Sox leverage in talks with the Jays and figure out who Plan B. was. (I'm ok with that) b) Thank the Punto trade for this being the deal. Sox didn't have to think twice about taking on Lind's $5M for this year and $2M buyout because they have oodles of room money-wise. offtopic, but that made me laugh but yah I agree
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 21, 2012 0:15:47 GMT -5
I wonder if he will bring over Lovullo for his coaching staff...Sox interviewed him for manager last year. Then again, he's the Blue Jays 1B coach, so I assume he would need an "upgrade" to bench coach, which Bogar is currently occupying. Either way, we need a pitching coach and hitting coach. Someone mentioned on Twitter that Farrell asked Tuck to be his bench coach when he got hired. Interesting tidbit.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 21, 2012 0:30:10 GMT -5
Tor saves face --somewhat-- in that they got a starting ss but it isn't the direction I would have gone in with the RS. "You --TBJ-- could have done better " George Costanza Aviles v. Escobar: Who do they want ss: I don't like either but Escobar gets moved I'f they can (but he's making 5mil per until 14)? Lind is owed: Cot's 10:$0.4M, 11:$5M, 12:$5M, 13:$5M, 14:$7M club option ($2M buyout),
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 21, 2012 0:43:06 GMT -5
They also get Lind's money off the books. It's essentially $7M for one year. Awful lot for a guy who literally shouldn't play vs. LHP.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 21, 2012 0:47:46 GMT -5
... And probably won't very often.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Oct 21, 2012 1:05:40 GMT -5
We are in the financial position to swallow the $5M this year without it being a problem. What if he restores some sort of value and we don't have to buy him out? We could either flip or keep him.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 21, 2012 2:47:48 GMT -5
I was okay with Aviles as comp for Farrell as he is not a full time mlb ss. However, if the rumors are true that Lind is the Jays' player coming to the Red Sox it doesnt look so good. He is due $ 5 million for 2013, plus he has a $ 2 million buyout for 2014. While the Red Sox have a lot of payroll flexibility since the Punto trade, thats a lot of money for Lind who is in the downside of his career.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 21, 2012 6:37:35 GMT -5
I love it 1st one to nail Aviles. Actually in case people thought I got lucky I also suggested this on page 11of next year's manager tread. I will take my bow all day today.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 21, 2012 7:35:42 GMT -5
I was hoping for Brad Ausmus, but am fine with Farrell. I VERY glad they have moved quickly and we can now focus on acquiring players.
As to Adam Lind: he could be quite solid in a platoon at 1st. He is only 29, not the old man some of you think. A $7 million debt is not the end-of-the-world as we know it!
Mike Aviles gave us a nice season at short, but he was not the answer going forward. I like that we have one less competitor for the job.....as I like Iglesias a lot.
All in all, Ben Cherington did well! I still like Ausmus.
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Post by longgone24 on Oct 21, 2012 8:19:15 GMT -5
I was really hoping that the Sox management would think outside the box with this hire. I did like Farrell while he was here, thought he did a great job, etc... I do think that there the management has been a little obsessive in re: to him being our next manager. Last time we had this long term bromance, we wound up with Julio Lugo for 4 years.
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Post by elguapo on Oct 21, 2012 8:25:14 GMT -5
Well, it's done and we can all move on with our lives. It's a little tough on the other candidates interviewed to have Plan A work out, but everyone knows how that game is played so at worst they got some positive mentions in national media.
Lind/Sands/Gomez at first is one too many on the 40-man, don't you think?
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 21, 2012 8:35:12 GMT -5
Edes has tweeted Lind is not part of the trade
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Post by Guidas on Oct 21, 2012 8:37:08 GMT -5
@alexspeier For what it's worth, Adam Lind is NOT part of the Farrell deal
So there's that. I still don't like the idea of dealing any player who could've been packaged for a player of value going out the door for a manager, but it could've been worse.
Not sold on Farrell as a manager - and interesting to see Toronto more or less eager to get rid of him, but at least I feel better about this than the Valentine hiring. OK, on to the REAL off season.
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Post by curll on Oct 21, 2012 8:44:55 GMT -5
Alright, the Sox have a manager in place for several years, an organizational philosophy to follow, and a good core to build around.
Yay!
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 21, 2012 9:00:56 GMT -5
Alright, the Sox have a manager in place for several years, an organizational philosophy to follow, and a good core to build around. Yay! More importantly only one contract left.
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 21, 2012 9:02:35 GMT -5
The biggest question going into the search was how much Farrell was going to cost. He didn't cost so there are no complaints to be made.
Now BC and crew need to get more talent for John.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 21, 2012 9:05:06 GMT -5
OK...we got that done. I was sorry to see a trade chip go in Aviles who probably had his worst offensive season with us. Early on he looked like a bargain. His fielding was much better than I expected while his hitting surprisingly tanked. At a .280 OBP and flailing away, he does not fit the prior organizational mantra.
This year's group of managerial candidates was much better received than last. It has to be tough making all the preparation and going thru the process while secretly knowing you have little chance if Farrell was available.
At least two things are seemingly apparent. First, there has to be high hope that Farrell can make large improvements on the pitching staff even while serving as manager. Second, altho much can change b/t now and April, it looks as tho Iglesias is going to be given the chance at SS.
There was an initial report that Lind was coming to Boston. That was later squelched. Is there anyone coming back in this trade???
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 21, 2012 9:14:03 GMT -5
I am utterly disappointed with this. Not that I think Farrell is that bad of a manager (nor good to be honest) but the process makes me fear for the worst going forward. It seems to me they went with a pre-determined mindset/outcome (getting Farrel) and then proceeded with the interviews just in case they couldn't get a deal with the Blue Jays. It's the reversion of the analytical and quasi-scientific approach that I expect the FO to have, not only in conducting a search for a new manager but also player acquisition and decisions. Plan A was Farrel all along and then Plan B was whoever came out of the interview process on top. Second year in a row we're having this, we conduct an entire process for a managerial job and then in the end we say "Screw it!" and hire the guy someone has an infatuation with. Last year Lucchino with Valentine and this year, who knows who, with Farrel. Maybe if they played it the same way, Farrel would have still been the choice. But that they went out of the process bothers me to no end, and we don't even know the compensation yet. I am deeply disappointed with the FO and concerned going forward. Having said, I hope Farrel IS the best choice. How is this any different than most managerial searches? Most of the time teams proceed with interviews having a favorite for the job. This is no different than that. It's not like teams are interview candidates without knowing anything about them. They know what they are about and why they potentially want to hire them. The Red Sox interviewed the four candidates then talked to Farrell. Either none of them did enough to convince BC that they deserve the job over Farrell or Farrell hit it out of the park himself.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 21, 2012 9:16:44 GMT -5
At least two things are seemingly apparent. Second, altho much can change b/t now and April, it looks as tho Iglesias is going to be given the chance at SS. I think this means no Iglesias, as they god rid of the safety net. With how poorly Iglesias performed, they needed a fall back. Getting rid of that means Andrus is coming, or they think Xander will be ready mid-year.
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Post by mjammz on Oct 21, 2012 10:13:44 GMT -5
Alex Speier has said that the Red Sox will be receiving a player on the Blue Jays 40 man roster. Albeit on the fringe.
Speculation? I wouldn't mind Brad Lincoln
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Post by chud on Oct 21, 2012 10:33:18 GMT -5
To me, the absolute most important thing in this hire is not whether or not Farrell is going to work out or whether Ausmus was the better pick etc...you need a crystal ball to know that...but the important thing was that it appears that Cherrington was able to make this pick, and that the bonus was that ownership was all in with that selection.
Valentine was an absolute disaster on many levels...although i had no idea how he'd be as a manager baseball wise, my guess originally was that he'd be in the middle of too much controversy to be very effective...never guessed it would be nearly as bad as it was though...all that being the case, the true disaster was that the Sox hired a new GM and didn't let him choose the guy he wanted to manage the team...you hire a guy to run the baseball operations, you need to sink or swim with what he wants to do...more or less, and removing huge financial decisions from that equation... that lack of trust in turn led to a lack of trust in Valentine...makes sense, it wasn't cherrington's pick, and there was no way he was going to trust valentine to make decisions on the present/future of the organization, coaches, philosophy...and i wouldn't have either...and from there, that lack of trust was filtered down from Valentine to his coaches, players etc...
so, back to Farrell. I'm all on board with this and like what i've always read about him since he was in Boston. Who knows if it will work in Boston, that's impossible to tell. But, i'm just very excited that we now appear to have a full management team that's committed to the same thing, that trusts each other, and can build toward the future with the same philosophies. Whether it works or not, this is the absolute right hire.
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Post by buffs4444 on Oct 21, 2012 11:22:23 GMT -5
Welcome back John.
Time to get the staff in place and move on to the next step of acquiring premium talent from outside the organization and pulling up the right kids from the minors to surround the existing core.
Playoffs in '13. Here we go....
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