|
Post by elguapo on Jan 22, 2013 14:56:20 GMT -5
Carpenter DFA'd. I don't get it. Seems to me the Sox need relievers with options and have too many who are either out of options or don't belong in Pawtucket.
Maybe they're planning on using minor league starters as bullpen call-ups?
|
|
|
Post by jmei on Jan 22, 2013 15:11:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's a terrible decision. You still have Wilson and Bard who are on the 40-man, have options, will probably start the year in AAA, and are better than Carpenter. And there are lots of replacement-level guys with options (Beato, De La Rosa, Godfrey, Hernandez) that you only need to clear a 40-man spot for. Plus, Webster and De La Rosa may also be MLB reliever candidates by July/August.
Who else would you have DFAed? Your options are: one of the other MLB relievers (Mortensen, Aceves, Miller), one of the projected bench players (Ciriaco, Gomez, Kalish, Nava), one of the Rule 5 guys (Hassan, Wright, Vazquez, Butler), or one of the semi-prospects (Britton, Holt). Carpenter was clearly more fungible than any of those guys.
|
|
|
Post by jmei on Jan 22, 2013 15:23:41 GMT -5
Sidenote: I personally would have preferred to DFA Mortensen, but by the slimmest of margins. Mortensen is probably a better present player but the bullpen is stacked and he probably won't win a 25-man spot, which means he'll probably be lost by April anyways. Carpenter probably has greater upside with his velocity, but he's 27 already, has basically never been able to control his fastball, and doesn't have much secondary stuff.
|
|
|
Post by James Dunne on Jan 22, 2013 15:40:40 GMT -5
Sidenote: I personally would have preferred to DFA Mortensen, but by the slimmest of margins. Mortensen is probably a better present player but the bullpen is stacked and he probably won't win a 25-man spot, which means he'll probably be lost by April anyways. Carpenter probably has greater upside with his velocity, but he's 27 already, has basically never been able to control his fastball, and doesn't have much secondary stuff. RE: Carpenter v. Mortensen. I think it comes down to the fact that Mortensen is the better player right now. If the Red Sox view him as the #9 reliever (out of 8), there's no reason to cut him now. If there's an injury in camp, Mortensen breaks camp with the club. If all of the relievers are healthy, then they DFA him at the end of spring training.
|
|
|
Post by elguapo on Jan 22, 2013 16:28:48 GMT -5
I would rather trade Salty or one of the relievers without options. Of course they may do that later on, opening up a roster spot and end up picking up a Carpenter type caught in some other team's roster crunch. Or add a reliever with options in some other way.
I don't mind losing Carpenter specifically (depending what happens with the DFA) but I'm not confident that the in-house options after Wilson (Beato, De La Torre, Godfrey, Hernandez) are worth major league time this year and I'd like to see them add at least one or two solid options to ride the shuttle.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jan 22, 2013 18:29:38 GMT -5
I would rather trade Salty or one of the relievers without options. Given Napoli's AVN diagnosis, I don't see how they can trade Salty. Napoli's catching career is likely over.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 22, 2013 18:37:51 GMT -5
I would rather trade Salty or one of the relievers without options. Given Napoli's AVN diagnosis, I don't see how they can trade Salty. Napoli's catching career is likely over. If he's asymptomatic, then he's probably fine to catch however much the plan was to have him catch originally. Still wouldn't catch him more than, say, 40 games.
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 22, 2013 19:12:46 GMT -5
I think a lot of it will depend on the word they get from the physicians they used. Those medical people must have played a big part in the revised view the Sox had after the exam. They may have very specific advice for the team about the amount of stress the joint can take, and whether the catcher's squatting position is a good idea.
|
|
|
Post by elguapo on Jan 22, 2013 19:37:16 GMT -5
I would rather trade Salty or one of the relievers without options. Given Napoli's AVN diagnosis, I don't see how they can trade Salty. Napoli's catching career is likely over. I was assuming the Sox are serious about Lavarnway's capability at catcher - they may not be, at least not this year.
|
|
|
Post by remember04 on Jan 22, 2013 19:46:15 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 22, 2013 20:30:56 GMT -5
So, do we want Napoli to set like Brett, or go like Bo?
|
|
|
Post by jmei on Feb 1, 2013 14:58:04 GMT -5
Chris Carpenter cleared waivers and was outrighted to AAA Pawtucket.
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Feb 3, 2013 20:59:21 GMT -5
Not sure the point of trading Salty, but if the right deal were there, I wouldn't hesitate. There is plenty of depth with Napoli, Lavarnway and Ross. Ross will catch more than the typicaly backup and is probably the best in the game in that roll. Even if Napoli can't catch, Lavarnway will catch fewer games than the normal starter.
However, what would you even get for Salty? A bullpen arm? Certainly don't need any of those right now. Utility guy? Don't need it. 4th/5th OF? Don't need it. There are needs just none that trading Salty could fill.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Feb 5, 2013 11:23:58 GMT -5
However, what would you even get for Salty? A bullpen arm? Certainly don't need any of those right now. Utility guy? Don't need it. 4th/5th OF? Don't need it. There are needs just none that trading Salty could fill. I think the play is to wait until ST, assess injuries and consider opportunities that arise with other teams. This assumes, of course, that Lavarnway demonstrates sufficient performance to warrant trading Salty in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Feb 5, 2013 16:15:33 GMT -5
Alex Hassan has a stress fracture in his foot and will not be ready for the start of ST. That leaves four healthy OFs on the 40 man roster (Ells, Gomes, Shane-O and Nava), plus Ryan Sweeney and Brentz (who are not on the 40-man)
|
|
|
Post by elguapo on Feb 6, 2013 10:13:31 GMT -5
Presumably Kalish will go on the 60-day DL, and we're still heavy on catchers and major league relievers. I'd bet on adding a reasonable 1B-OF before Opening Day.
|
|