ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 13, 2014 23:47:08 GMT -5
If I had to make any sort of cut-offs, I would probably remove any and all stats from the DSL and GCL. Clay has never done DSL translations -- and for some reason hasn't done the GCL for this year, at least not yet. As far as older translations from the GCL, I think to at least some degree their lesser reliability is built into the methodology. But that is certainly one of the things I'll look at if I ever get around to grabbing all of his data and messing with it. I'm now thinking that might be after next year. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 14, 2014 8:49:36 GMT -5
Have to disagree with their "increased emphasis" on the position. Tek happened because he retired. Gedman being the hitting coach doesn't really have a ton to do with him being a former catcher. As for acquisition of amateur catchers (Draft/UDFA + IFA), disagree that there's any particular emphasis there either. 2014: 4 (they're converting Winterburn to pitching, or so we've heard) 2013: 3 + 2 2012: 1 + 3 (I'm not counting Watkins) 2011: 4 + 2 2010: 4 + 3 2009: 3 + 1 2008: 3 + 3 (Lava, FedEx, Vazquez in rounds 6, 7, 9) 2007: 5 + 3 It's probably just perception but a few things; Tuck's primary responsibility was Boston whereas Epperson's responsibility is the minors. Relative to all the IFAs we signed, I can only think of two notable signings, Ibbarra out of Cuba who basically was a converted third baseman and got a reduced contract because of some physical issue then pretty much spent most of his career on the DL and Oscar Perez who was in fact a high upside lottery ticket. Most of the UFDA's and independent league signings, including Butler and Blackmon were serious long shots. Winterburn was a 40th rounder, and the four that are sticking at catcher are 8(Moore),14 (Procyshen),20 (Fisher) & 31 (McKeon). Last year 3 (Denny), 14 (Romanski) & 34 (Bethea). The only other notable year was 2011 with 1 (Swihart), 3 (Weems) & 35 (Coste). For all intents and purposed, it seems to me that we're more densely packed with catchers that are to some degree prospects in the lower minors than at any point including post 2008. LOL, I just noticed that the fine defensive catcher for the Durham Bulls was unsigned by us in 2009 Luke Maile (41st rounder). He just nailed Castillo twice. ADD: A sidenote and admittedly I only know one thing about him but, the sixth youngest player in all of baseball is a DieselSox catcher that actually got some playing time. That has to be rare for a catcher. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 16, 2014 8:45:11 GMT -5
It may well be that I do not have the level of information needed to make an informed decision regarding things like pitch framing and catcher ERA but what little I have studied it leaves me unconvinced it has the impact some give it. For example, if pitch framing is so important and Jose Molina is the best in the game at it how come he has never made more than $2,125,000 in any of his many years in mlb? No GM in the league thought it was so important that they were willing to pay much for it. I readily admit that I haven't read a single word of the Vasquez pitch framing thread. I'm sure it has impact. I'm just not sure it has the impact people give it. I apologize for my ignorance if that is the case in this instance. Sincerely. You do also realize that there are still GMs who sign players based on "grit", correct? Edit: I'm not saying that this applies for most of the GMs, but I am saying A does not equal B. As has already been mentioned, a lot of these stats are in the infancy stages and the GMs who generally get a leg up on the competition are the ones who look into different statistics to try and separate themselves from the rest of the pack. |
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