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9/8-9/10 Red Sox vs. Orioles Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 8, 2014 6:53:13 GMT -5
9/8 Red Sox (RHP Joe Kelly 1-1 3.89) vs. Orioles (RHP Miguel Gonzalez 8-7 3.38) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI9/9 Red Sox (RHP Anthony Ranaudo 3-1 4.63) vs. Orioles (RHP Chris Tillman 11-5 3.40) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI9/10 Red Sox (RHP Brandon Workman 1-8 4.90) vs. Orioles (LHP Wei-Yin Chen 14-4 3.69) 1:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2014 9:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2014 10:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Sept 8, 2014 10:38:29 GMT -5
Pretty cool than XB talked to Andruw Jones.
I seriously hope we aren't relying on Kelly being our Kluber next year... And I really see no correlation between the two at all.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 8, 2014 11:51:38 GMT -5
Markakis would be a great pickup for RF... if we didn't already have like 12 OFers.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 8, 2014 12:04:41 GMT -5
Sorry if this is off topic but does anyone know how difficult it is to be able to get tickets at Camden Yards or if they're selling out? Im thinking of going september 20th but I have to wait until I know my friends can also go.
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 8, 2014 14:33:26 GMT -5
Barnes is at Fenway
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Post by Guidas on Sept 8, 2014 15:08:54 GMT -5
There are a couple interesting pieces but reading it just makes me sad - Gammons has fallen so far. At this point he's just opining and throwing general statements rather than really reporting anything. It's like a glorified navel gazing, some that wouldn't even pass muster in this forum.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 8, 2014 15:11:27 GMT -5
Great column and really liked this part:
Gonzo game to town hyped by the media as the next Yaz/Williams and for the most part, produced like it. His fault was getting quoted several times too many by a media that loves to be negative at anything in which it can and add to that? Gonzalez is a talkative guy, still is.
That same media (different faces, same NE types/mindset) were the same ones who beat Williams to death and Yaz as well. Williams over anything/everything and Yaz when his numbers started to temporarily decline.
It's not all medias that act like this, even a large town media types, but it for sure exists in both NY and Boston.
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2014 15:16:11 GMT -5
There are a couple interesting pieces but reading it just makes me sad - Gammons has fallen so far. At this point he's just opining and throwing general statements rather than really reporting anything. It's like a glorified navel gazing, some that wouldn't even pass muster in this forum. Yeah, I posted the damn link, but I kind of agree. There's a lot to think about there, but most of it seems like off-the-cuff speculation. Still, it's more interesting stuff than what most of the beat writers are giving us these days, and the benefit of "notebook" columns like this (which Gammons basically invented) is that some of these interesting tidbits (which aren't substantial enough to warrant their own piece) get reported.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 8, 2014 15:24:40 GMT -5
True - I still read Cafardo's Sunday Baseball Notes faithfully, even though it can often be mining through a lot of twaddle just to find a useful nugget or three. Of course, when I repeat the useful stuff, people often look at me and say, 'Carfardo? Really?'
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Post by godot on Sept 8, 2014 15:48:10 GMT -5
Baseball reporting is on a par with political and economic reporting, sucky. Should not expect much and must search elsewhere for info or just think it out yourself. Gammons is a good example of in the Valley of the Blind the One Eye Man is King. He has a tad better sense of the political than other reporters and is actually a baseball fan and inquisitive. But he basically repeats what he has been told and is not that original or insightful about baseball. He is actually a better music critic and was one of the first to recognize Susan Tedeschi. His predictions always have been consistently wrong as well as his great "prospect finds" (that others have told him). I has the fortune or misfortune to see him in action when he was still covering the Sox, not impressed.
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Post by danr on Sept 8, 2014 16:22:44 GMT -5
One of the best sports reporters I ever knew was Milton Richman of UPI. I got to know him because I was working for UPI in Baltimore in the late 60s and early 70s when the Orioles were good - and in three straight World Series 69-70-71. Richman always came to cover the Series. When he went to the ballpark he knew what wanted to write about and he would seek out the player, or players, who he would feature that day. I watched him interview Frank Robinson. It was about a particular play the day before and I forget the details.
Richman recounted the play to Robinson, then said, something like "weren't you thinking such and such and that made you do such and such. He said "Yes." He did this repeatedly through about a half dozen questions, or more. Each time Robinson's answers were yesses or nos. When he wrote the story, the phraseology he used in the questions became quotes from Robinson. Players loved to be interviewed by him.
Robinson was one of the most intelligent baseball players I ever met, and he was a very tough interview. But with Richman, he was cool and friendly. And Richman knew that if he had to find something out that players didn't want to talk about, Robinson, or another player, would tell him, and he would protect their confidences. As a result, even though he didn't cover teams regularly, he got many exclusives.
But the beat writers wear down during a season. They travel with the team and soon the good stories are done, and it becomes very hard to generate the words every day - and now all the time because of the Internet. So a lot gets written that has very little substance.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 8, 2014 16:43:32 GMT -5
M Betts CF D Pedroia 2B D Ortiz DH Y Cespedes LF M Napoli 1B D Nava RF X Bogaerts SS W Middlebrooks 3B D Ross C
Also, Tigers up 8-2, another dagger to the NYY, 2% POFF
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Post by danr on Sept 8, 2014 17:55:40 GMT -5
With Barnes, and minus Uehara, the Sox have 9 RPs in the BP.
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Post by danr on Sept 8, 2014 18:01:43 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if the Orioles passed on Markakis. He has not been the same player he was since his injuries in 2012. His power is down, both HRs and 2Bs, and his BA and OPS have been below his career averages.
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Post by danr on Sept 8, 2014 18:59:13 GMT -5
Nobody's posting here. Interest is waning? Looking at the Oriole lineup tonight, it doesn't look any better than the Sox, yet the Orioles are where they are.
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Post by godot on Sept 8, 2014 19:05:50 GMT -5
It does not look better. No disrespect, but they have had a decent shortstop all year , one of the best center fielders in the league, a very good right fielder, and one of the leagues most consistent power hitters this year, plus a decent bench. And a decent catcher substitute for their all star catcher, as well as developing a very good bull pen. We have been doing patch work at most of those positions and have a bigger war chest and a "storied" franchise that is able to fill the seats. Maybe it is their general manager and manager.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 8, 2014 19:25:33 GMT -5
Nobody's posting here. Interest is waning? Looking at the Oriole lineup tonight, it doesn't look any better than the Sox, yet the Orioles are where they are. Not sure about the interest level. As to the line- ups, I think Baltimore has more power, better D. and better pitching.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Sept 8, 2014 19:41:10 GMT -5
I think the betters are all correct but the last one is the key.
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Post by godot on Sept 8, 2014 20:30:56 GMT -5
Management from top bottom should be totally embarrassed how they destroyed and then tried to put together this collection of outs and errors, primarily due to saving a few bucks and some years on contracts based on some smart plan. It wasn't just bad luck or everything going wrong like some kinds of bad spell. It was primarily due to poor judgement ,questionable polices, and maybe crappy coaching. .
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 8, 2014 20:54:59 GMT -5
Management from top bottom should be totally embarrassed how they destroyed and then tried to put together this collection of outs and errors, primarily due to saving a few bucks and some years on contracts based on some smart plan. It wasn't just bad luck or everything going wrong like some kinds of bad spell. It was primarily due to poor judgement ,questionable polices, and maybe crappy coaching. . Uhhh -- yeah. This franchise, fresh from a World Championship the year before, decides to use the next year to begin in earnest the transition to the next generation team, and doesn't resign a few players who they saw as not worth getting in the way of that. And the complaint is??? That the youngsters didn't pan out? So, it happens sometimes. But then of course, Pedroia's offense degraded somewhat, so did Nava's, so did Napoli, Middlebrooks went from bad to worse, Buchholz had for the most part a down year, Peavy and Doubront didn't get it done, AJ was more a distraction than anything of value, Breslow seems to have lost it, and in the last month Koji's run out of gas. This year's plummet was very much due to a most-of-the-team regression to one extent or another, not because of a couple of ill-fated moves. Go ahead, put Ellsbury, Salty, and Drew back on the team and see where we'd be. Probably quite a bit closer to a .500 team, but still not going to be making any real waves. All we'd have at the end of the season is an unprotected first round draft pick, nothing more.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 8, 2014 21:29:25 GMT -5
Tonight we were 1 for 6 with RISP.
I think kelly threw a decent enough game, but the offense was pitiful.
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Post by pd on Sept 8, 2014 22:16:54 GMT -5
Just read the espn recap and it sounds like the d was awful as well. Kelly is the type of pitcher that needs a good d behind him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 8, 2014 22:59:29 GMT -5
It was a tough night for that defense, including Kelly himself. And we can stop all that silly talk about Cespedes playing RF or even worse CF. He's still trying to get LF down and that's proving to be a chore.
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