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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 22, 2012 10:36:10 GMT -5
OK....we finally have the managerial position filled, and now we need to fill maybe the most important coaching job for next season and beyond.
I've had a few posts concerning how I feel about pitching and the Red Sox pitching especially. Farrell needs to get this right.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 22, 2012 11:13:21 GMT -5
I think the most important thing is that it's someone who Farrell can work with comfortably. Farrell is quite likely going to have a lot of input on the pitching, and has an existing relationship with many key members of the pitching staff so it needs to be someone who isn't so headstrong that they'll feel the manager is undermining him by giving suggestions. By the same token, it will need to be someone that Farrell trusts enough to give a level of autonomy to. I don't want to be hearing about a power struggle the first time Buchholz goes through a month-long slump.
As far as specific candidates, I'm not going to claim to know the broad swath of eligible candidates, but I was very impressed by the things I heard about Mike Cather when he was working in the Sox system, and I know he had a very good working relationship with Daniel Bard specifically.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 22, 2012 13:40:39 GMT -5
I voted for Jim Hickey though I doubt he is available. Jim has done a fantastic job developing Rays pitchers. I read somewhere, also, that he has a history with Farrell.
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Post by nomar on Oct 22, 2012 13:45:12 GMT -5
Hickey would be great because we'd be gaining a solid pitching coach and taking one away from a rival. Idk how realistic this is, given that he already is with a great manager.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 22, 2012 14:49:34 GMT -5
Probably several of these guys are not available, but I really like Hickey myself. Of course he has done a nice job with the Rays' rotation, but the job he has done yearly with that bullpen may even be more impressive.
The two pitching coaches from AAA I put on here have done a solid job on a consistent basis.
Someone on here mentioned that Farrell and Rick Peterson have a good relationship. He would be a solid choice also.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 26, 2012 9:27:33 GMT -5
By Peter Abraham
Globe Staff / October 25, 2012
"Baltimore Orioles director of pitching development Rick Peterson is apparently not being considered as the pitching coach. The Red Sox have not sought permission to speak to Peterson, according to Comcast Sports of Baltimore.
“Ideally, I’m in the dugout,” said Peterson. “Since 1998, I’ve been in the dugout. If an opportunity did exist, I would explore it.”
Blue Jays pitching coach Bruce Walton and bullpen coach Pete Walker are candidates to join the Red Sox"
I wish they would, at least, talk to him!!
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 26, 2012 9:44:37 GMT -5
Peterson seems to have bounced around quite a bit between the A's, Jays, and Brewers over the past few years. While some of that can be attributed to the managers being fired, it is also important for the Red Sox to have some stability in their pitching coaches. They have gone through Curt Young, McClure, and Neimann the last two years. Before that, Farrell was the pitching coach from 2007 through 2010. It would be nice if they could find and keep a decent pitching coach to provide some consistency for the pitching staff.
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Post by MLBDreams on Oct 26, 2012 10:10:54 GMT -5
The Red Sox have not sought permission to speak to Peterson, according to Comcast Sports of Baltimore. “Ideally, I’m in the dugout,” said Peterson. “Since 1998, I’ve been in the dugout. If an opportunity did exist, I would explore it.” Blue Jays pitching coach Bruce Walton and bullpen coach Pete Walker are candidates to join the Red Sox" I wish they would, at least, talk to him!! I don't get it if John brings over Bruce & Pete from Toronto for the same job. This is 2nd consecutive 4th place Toronto team & terrible pitching staff like the Red Sox did for 2011 & 2012 seasons. How can they help the current Red Sox pitching staff and get better results as stats? They didn't prove it by their results of the Blue Jays pitching staffs. About the possible promotion of Rich Sauvuer to be Red Sox pitching coach, I don't get it either. He's the one failed to FIX Daniel Bard's mechanic problems all year without any success. Why rewarding Rich for that? I don't think the pitching staff would be improve with the above guys being hired. I can't see that improvements. They need hire better ones than that.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 26, 2012 10:25:52 GMT -5
Sauvuer was also credited with putting Clay Buchholz back together again in 2009, and worked extensively remaking Andrew Miller's delivery last year. He's highly qualified for an MLB promotion. Criticizing him for his failure to fix Bard in three months reminds me of when Leo Mazzone caught flak when he wasn't able to wave a magic wand and fix the bad pitchers in the Orioles rotation a few years back.
I know little about Walton and Walker, at least from a coaching standpoint. I will say that you can't necessarily just look at a team's ERA and decide how good the pitching coach is. Ricky Romero's step backwards this year is a warning sign, and Henderson Alvarez showed flashes of excellence but little consistency (very similar to the season Doubront had for Boston). On the other hand, Brandon Morrow showed notable improvement in converting his excellent stuff into results after years of frustration, and Casey Janssen has turned into one of the best relievers in the league.
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Post by sdl on Oct 26, 2012 11:46:55 GMT -5
I;d like to see McClure...partially as a F YOU to Valentine.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2012 12:31:58 GMT -5
Peterson seems to have bounced around quite a bit between the A's, Jays, and Brewers over the past few years. While some of that can be attributed to the managers being fired, it is also important for the Red Sox to have some stability in their pitching coaches. They have gone through Curt Young, McClure, and Neimann the last two years. Before that, Farrell was the pitching coach from 2007 through 2010. It would be nice if they could find and keep a decent pitching coach to provide some consistency for the pitching staff. I mean, it's not like he's voluntarily left any job he's had as a pitching coach.
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Post by remember04 on Oct 26, 2012 14:24:59 GMT -5
I;d like to see McClure...partially as a F YOU to Valentine. Along those lines I'd like to see Curt Young again or get Mike Cather back from San Diego. I put both of those at about 1% chance of happening though. I suppose the real question is do we want a pitching coach with a similar philosophy to Farrel so they get along or one with a different philosophy so that we can sort of have a meeting of the minds on occasion with the tough fixes?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 26, 2012 14:49:00 GMT -5
Peterson seems to have bounced around quite a bit between the A's, Jays, and Brewers over the past few years. While some of that can be attributed to the managers being fired, it is also important for the Red Sox to have some stability in their pitching coaches. They have gone through Curt Young, McClure, and Neimann the last two years. Before that, Farrell was the pitching coach from 2007 through 2010. It would be nice if they could find and keep a decent pitching coach to provide some consistency for the pitching staff. I mean, it's not like he's voluntarily left any job he's had as a pitching coach. This may be the reason the Sox aren't planning on interviewing him. His methods are slightly different and for, a few, controversial.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 26, 2012 17:35:03 GMT -5
Please not Curt Young. He reminded me of an old school guy who was there if a pitcher wanted to talk with him....a kindly gramps type...pat you on the back if you had a bad day.... Perhaps I have selective amnesia but I don't remember a single pitcher speaking highly of his knowledge or instruction. We have a clean slate. Let's find a guru.
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Post by mjammz on Oct 26, 2012 19:19:26 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo The Red Sox asked the Orioles permission to interview Rick Peterson for the pitching coach job.
good news
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Post by mjammz on Oct 26, 2012 19:28:03 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo And the Orioles did grant permission to the Red Sox to interview rick peterson for pitching coach.
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Post by jioh on Oct 26, 2012 21:19:56 GMT -5
Peterson makes me nervous. Could be really really great, but the idea of a coach that thinks he has radically different and better methods sounds like the manager we just got rid of. Or is Farrell on his wavelength? I can imagine Varitek might be too. But he makes me nervous.
By coincidence, in talking to students today about words with the Greek root kin- in them I told them about iconoclastic relief pitcher Mike Marshall's PhD in kinesiology.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 27, 2012 12:40:26 GMT -5
or get Mike Cather back from San Diego. I'd sign up for this.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 27, 2012 13:16:04 GMT -5
or get Mike Cather back from San Diego. I'd sign up for this. I bet, Chris, that Farrell has a good relationship with all 3 of these guys: Mike Cather Rich Sauveur AAA (Red Sox) pitching coordinator (Red Sox) Ralph Treuel Any idea on Treuel?
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Post by jeremynofakerbaker on Nov 1, 2012 3:23:29 GMT -5
How about any of these guys
Boston possibilities(some could be minor league candidates as well)
Bob Kipper(well deserving of major league job) John Smoltz Orel Hershiser Ray Searge Ken Ryan(Minor League) Kyle Peterson(Minor League)
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 1, 2012 9:14:26 GMT -5
The 4 guys the Red Sox are interview are: Rick Peterson Juan Nieves Randy St. Claire Steve Foster
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2012 20:57:23 GMT -5
Went ahead and locked the poll given the above list of four that's been reported.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 2, 2012 9:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on Nov 2, 2012 10:12:28 GMT -5
Sox considering Pete Walker. .... for "a spot" on the coaching staff, so conceivably pitching coach but maybe just bullpen coach.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 3, 2012 17:30:30 GMT -5
Jen Royle @jen_Royle Former Red Sox pitcher and current Kansas City Royals bullpen coach Doug Henry recently Interviewed for Boston's pitching coach position
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