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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 13, 2014 11:38:56 GMT -5
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 13, 2014 15:35:36 GMT -5
He deserves his own thread just as he earned the #4 ranking on SP. This kid looks like a real gem. After going 3-1, 0.96 era, on 39Ks, 8BB in 37+ innings since joining the organization, he stepped right into a pressure situation with the PawSox in the playoffs and comported himself well. He throws in the mid 90's with good command. I believe he has a bright future with the Sox. A left-hander only 21 yrs. old, he should move fast. To this point I haven't read any negatives on his performance.
A good trade is one which benefits both teams. The O's are happy with Miller, as well they should be. Sure would be nice to get him back.
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Post by jmei on Sept 13, 2014 17:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Sept 13, 2014 17:53:54 GMT -5
I think we really need to see more of him before we can figure out what kind of pitcher he could become.
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Post by alnipper on Sept 13, 2014 22:47:18 GMT -5
He'll need better control cause most major league right hand batters will chase the strikeouts in the above videos. I would like to see more video as well. He is nasty looking on lefties though.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 14, 2014 13:35:17 GMT -5
He'll need better control cause most major league right hand batters will chase the strikeouts in the above videos. I would like to see more video as well. He is nasty looking on lefties though. will chase? or will not?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 15, 2014 9:46:29 GMT -5
This really was a great trade for the Sox. It's certainly possible (maybe probable) that Rodriguez has the highest upside of any pitcher in the system right now. I don't care how good Andrew Miller has been ... Larry Anderson was lights out for the Red Sox, too.
Although, man, Andrew Miller really has been ridiculously good for the O's.
edit to add some minor substance: I noticed this before, but the results for Rodriguez in aggregate are much, much better the second half of the year (with the Sox) than they were with Bowie, higher K%, lower BB%, lower h/9 ... across the board. And it's not really like he got better as the year went on. He didn't get good results in Bowie, got traded, and pretty much immediately was mowing people down. I remember reading something about the Sox thinking the pitch calling for him was terrible in Bowie, but that's pretty extreme.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 15, 2014 20:17:44 GMT -5
Although, given how sudden and extreme the difference was - it's not like he even needed a start or two to adjust, you've got to think there's something there, right? It's not even like this is the Mookie Betts suddenly figuring out how to hit at some random point in May situation.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 15, 2014 21:12:42 GMT -5
This one's a mystery. Watching him, how easily he generates the heat, the smooth delivery, and the good control, it's hard to figure out why he had such mediocre numbers in Bowie. One thing that stands out is the way evaluators feel, that this is a real talent, steal of the trade season one of them called it. Only have to watch him a few times to get that idea. Looking forward to tomorrow's game so I can see him again.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 15, 2014 21:48:40 GMT -5
This one's a mystery. Watching him, how easily he generates the heat, the smooth delivery, and the good control, it's hard to figure out why he had such mediocre numbers in Bowie. One thing that stands out is the way evaluators feel, that this is a real talent, steal of the trade season one of them called it. Only have to watch him a few times to get that idea. Looking forward to tomorrow's game so I can see him again. I think your confusing your Spanish surnames, Escobar gets the start and Rodriguez is unlikely out of the pen because he started two days ago. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to seeing Escobar because he seems to be in a late season turn around of his own. I'm impressed, I have Owens, Johnson and Rodriguez as equals in a tier 1 less than Betts and Swihart. It's interesting that the only real similarity is the left handedness. There's no other team with anywhere near the lefty strength we have. I'm guessing (not researched) that we'll end up with 3 of the top 5 ranked lefties this coming off season and I think all three will explode onto the scene in 2015. Nice problem to have. The general thought at the time of the trade seemed to be that Rodriguez was promoted to AA before he was ready. Comments from Baltimore seemed to indicate that they were also very high on him and reluctant to trade him but viewed the increased chance of advancing in the playoffs as being the tradeoff. Nobody was giving up on him here.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 16, 2014 11:55:24 GMT -5
Thanks. I just assumed he'd be getting the start without giving the Gildan championship thread a second look. I'll still be watching.
I didn't assume anybody gave up on him either despite those numbers. If outside evaluators liked him that much, it's hard to imagine that the Orioles didn't think highly of him also. That makes him even more of a steal. The difference in those two parts of his season is big enough that it does beg a question or two.
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Post by ramireja on Sept 16, 2014 12:23:22 GMT -5
Thanks. I just assumed he'd be getting the start without giving the Gildan championship thread a second look. I'll still be watching. I didn't assume anybody gave up on him either despite those numbers. If outside evaluators liked him that much, it's hard to imagine that the Orioles didn't think highly of him also. That makes him even more of a steal. The difference in those two parts of his season is big enough that it does beg a question or two. Paging Eric Van...... you're slacking!
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Post by Guidas on Sept 20, 2014 13:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by tonyc on Sept 20, 2014 14:45:58 GMT -5
With you Guidas, very excited about him. In fact could there be a sense of irony here: In hindsight many have perceived a mistake of not signing Lester more reasonably earlier (and I've added my own support to the forum staff citing tailing stats at the time- plus the necessity of checking out our young pitching), yet within hours of trading Lester in comes Rodriguez, representing another lefthander not totally unlike him in terms of age progression, velocity, and multiple pitch stuff (mistake corrected?)
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Post by moonstone2 on Sept 22, 2014 14:30:42 GMT -5
I'd rank em.....Rodriguez, Barnes, Owens and then everyone else.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Sept 22, 2014 15:30:19 GMT -5
I'd rank em.....Rodriguez, Barnes, Owens and then everyone else. I would have to agree.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 22, 2014 20:00:07 GMT -5
Also agree, though I have stated before I am not sold on Owens and still think higher level hitters will make him into a 4/5 pretty quickly, but I hope he proves me wrong.
Barnes has one plus pitch and one average to above average pitch. Still waiting for that third pitch to flash better than it is but when you have the heat there's always a chance to move out of that 3rd/4th starter projection. Perhaps he can vary the FB between a 4 and 2-seamer. I know that 2-seamer is really more of a touch pitch than people give credit for, but he does have the arm motion and velo to make it effective.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 6, 2014 18:35:29 GMT -5
Kiley McDaniel ?@kileymcd 50 sec.50 seconden geleden Surprise from today's BOS calls: LHP Eduardo Rodriguez (A. Miller/BAL trade) ticked up to 93-96 late, some have him ahead of LHP Henry Owens
Not that surprising to us I guess, but still.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Oct 6, 2014 18:42:53 GMT -5
I have him ahead of Owens.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 6, 2014 18:52:47 GMT -5
Because people are so split on Owens, though, doesn't that needs some context? The top 100 I have in my head has Owens probably in the mid-30s and Rodriguez maybe in the 60s or low 70s. If the scouts he's referencing would have Eduardo at 30 and Owens at 35, that's awesome. If they'd have them both around 50, that's a draw. If it's both in the 70's then it's not a compliment to Rodriguez at all, really.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 6, 2014 19:05:35 GMT -5
I don't think the scout would be talking in the context of an arbitrary top 100 list.
My read is that he thinks Rodriguez will be the better big league pitcher.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 6, 2014 19:23:29 GMT -5
I don't think the scout would be talking in the context of an arbitrary top 100 list. My read is that he thinks Rodriguez will be the better big league pitcher. You're very likely right, I'd just like a bit more info. The 93-96 velocity readings aren't anything new - our report has him sitting in the low 90's and touching 97.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 6, 2014 19:38:12 GMT -5
Yeah we need to wait a bit, it doesn't mean that the general opinion of scouts etc. out there is that Rodrguez is better than Owens but some think that way which isn't a shock because as you said, Owens seems to be divisive, and Speier has also mention that before. I remember BA had reports of him turning it around just before the trade.
Reading the reports from Speier and here it definitely seems like Rodriguez has more upside since his pitches seem to have more power and he seems to be more atletic which could help him throw more strikes.
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Post by SALNotes on Oct 6, 2014 19:44:40 GMT -5
This one's a mystery. Watching him, how easily he generates the heat, the smooth delivery, and the good control, it's hard to figure out why he had such mediocre numbers in Bowie. One thing that stands out is the way evaluators feel, that this is a real talent, steal of the trade season one of them called it. Only have to watch him a few times to get that idea. Looking forward to tomorrow's game so I can see him again. I think your confusing your Spanish surnames, Escobar gets the start and Rodriguez is unlikely out of the pen because he started two days ago. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to seeing Escobar because he seems to be in a late season turn around of his own. I'm impressed, I have Owens, Johnson and Rodriguez as equals in a tier 1 less than Betts and Swihart. It's interesting that the only real similarity is the left handedness. There's no other team with anywhere near the lefty strength we have. I'm guessing (not researched) that we'll end up with 3 of the top 5 ranked lefties this coming off season and I think all three will explode onto the scene in 2015. Nice problem to have. The general thought at the time of the trade seemed to be that Rodriguez was promoted to AA before he was ready. Comments from Baltimore seemed to indicate that they were also very high on him and reluctant to trade him but viewed the increased chance of advancing in the playoffs as being the tradeoff. Nobody was giving up on him here. I'm in the middle of putting together a list of top prospects, some of the top lefties from other organizations: Sean Manaea, Julio Urias, Carlos Rodon, Steven Matz, Daniel Norris, Andrew Heaney (Owens would go in the back of this group IMO). the others are in the next tier with Rob Kaminsky Kyle Freeland, Sean Newcomb, Marco Gonzales, Josh Hader, Justin Nicolino i'm only about 1/2 way through the process so there's likely some names that belong here that I missed I agree with your larger point that we are in an envious position with 3 strong LHSP and thats not even counting Trey Ball
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 6, 2014 20:35:55 GMT -5
When Owens gets the fastball up he gets body slammed by good hitters. Not saying he can't be good because look at Cliff Lee but I'm ranking them Barnes, Rodriguez, Owens but Rodriguez probably emerges first at the mlb level. Long term I like Barnes more.
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