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9/19-9/21 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 21, 2014 20:32:15 GMT -5
sarasoxerI still don't think this year's team is that far off from being a PO competitor. What it needs is for Bogaerts and Betts to have another season under their belts, Castillo a full season, the team to make up it's mind at 1b, move the extra parts in the OF it has no use for. They wasted over 1 month with Middlebrooks when Cecchini could have been getting a long look at 3b, that was costly. Taking 1 season to fill in the final pieces that can be from within, then after 2015 the rest via FA the team would be in a much better situation youth wise and seemingly a stronger team for that reason alone, not to mention payroll wise. Possibly look to retain Cespedes, get rid of Victorino (even paying off the contract) Craig, even attempting to send him back to Stl as damaged goods in order to get out from under his remaining salary.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 21, 2014 21:02:29 GMT -5
Lavarnway, hope you did not think I was referring to you as Sparky. I liked your comments. Besides, what is wrong with Sparky. That is my parrot's name. What you believe are condescending nicknames, I feel are terms of endearment, really. Sorry, I am naturally aggressive and combative towards some, but I thought I was toning it down. Still, sometimes forget how thin skinned we (all) are. You strike me as a nice guy ( you probably also want to strike me), so out of respect I will be nice, unless of course someone tries something towards me. I hope you realized that you were disrespectful to me while telling me I was disrespectful . But that's cool. Lavaranway, I have spent a good deal of my life community and labor organizing in the trench's (almost three decades), and no disrespect but you can't be dainty and go by the rules for English tea and cakes. Power is the name of the game, and you are dealing with some very nasty and smart people. You have to be able to slug it out, channel anger, and be an ahole at times, along with being strategic, to bring about some of the changes that are needed, and they will throw everything in the book to fight you. It also leaves scars and you have to make many sacrifices. It takes more than arguing and making insights. But this is another story. The fact is you have singlehandedly lowered the bar in this forum more than anyone I've ever seen here. You are all over every thread, constantly taking unprovoked shots at fellow posters. I don't agree with everything Eric and Jmei post either, but have a ton of respect for both because of the time and effort they put in to posting good information here. You do not, you constantly talk down to people and offer nothing substantive to the conversation. It is beyond old. Calling people sparky and spanky are clearly insulting, despite how much your parrot may enjoy it. These are real people you are talking to. This forum is typically a place where people offer differing viewpoints and are passionate about their beliefs. Normally they use facts. And evidence to support their claim. That is what makes reading this site so enjoyable for me and I'll guess many others here. Try to respect that at least. If you don't have anything new and insightful to add, just don't post. When you do, I'd love to hear your thoughts. The unprovoked shots and bad grammar and no facts are incredibly annoying, but some of you really need to develop thicker skin. Sparky? Does that really offend you?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 21, 2014 21:59:10 GMT -5
I think the only time in my life I've been called sparky was in Animal Crossing.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 21, 2014 22:05:39 GMT -5
...The unprovoked shots and bad grammar and no facts are incredibly annoying, but some of you really need to develop thicker skin. Sparky? Does that really offend you? Not really. I thought the language was often quite funny, but he had a real problem with perceived authority also. In the end, posters should bring something to the conversation. He tried that for a while, but then he fell off the wagon. Taking potshots at an ever growing list of people was only going to make him an outcast, so he's gone.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 22, 2014 6:26:47 GMT -5
Lavaranway, I have spent a good deal of my life community and labor organizing in the trench's (almost three decades), and no disrespect but you can't be dainty and go by the rules for English tea and cakes. Power is the name of the game, and you are dealing with some very nasty and smart people. You have to be able to slug it out, channel anger, and be an ahole at times, along with being strategic, to bring about some of the changes that are needed, and they will throw everything in the book to fight you. It also leaves scars and you have to make many sacrifices. It takes more than arguing and making insights. But this is another story. Unfortunately, this forum does have rules that you do have to abide by. Despite multiple warnings and multiple second chances, you have continued to violate the ground rules nearly every time you post, including routinely harassing and insulting other posters, deliberately derailing threads, and generally acting in an incredibly immature and unnecessarily antagonistic manner. As a result, you are no longer welcome in the SoxProspects community and have been banned from these forums. Good call.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 22, 2014 8:40:29 GMT -5
sarasoxerI still don't think this year's team is that far off from being a PO competitor. What it needs is for Bogaerts and Betts to have another season under their belts, Castillo a full season, the team to make up it's mind at 1b, move the extra parts in the OF it has no use for. They wasted over 1 month with Middlebrooks when Cecchini could have been getting a long look at 3b, that was costly. Taking 1 season to fill in the final pieces that can be from within, then after 2015 the rest via FA the team would be in a much better situation youth wise and seemingly a stronger team for that reason alone, not to mention payroll wise. Possibly look to retain Cespedes, get rid of Victorino (even paying off the contract) Craig, even attempting to send him back to Stl as damaged goods in order to get out from under his remaining salary. Victorino is a FA after next season.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 22, 2014 9:00:47 GMT -5
Egads Sparky, drink some tea or eat a banana. But that's a story for another time and another forum.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 22, 2014 10:13:37 GMT -5
sarasoxerI still don't think this year's team is that far off from being a PO competitor. What it needs is for Bogaerts and Betts to have another season under their belts, Castillo a full season, the team to make up it's mind at 1b, move the extra parts in the OF it has no use for. They wasted over 1 month with Middlebrooks when Cecchini could have been getting a long look at 3b, that was costly. Taking 1 season to fill in the final pieces that can be from within, then after 2015 the rest via FA the team would be in a much better situation youth wise and seemingly a stronger team for that reason alone, not to mention payroll wise. Possibly look to retain Cespedes, get rid of Victorino (even paying off the contract) Craig, even attempting to send him back to Stl as damaged goods in order to get out from under his remaining salary. Well, I don't think the time spent with WMB was wasted. We had to find out if he could be resurrected and what better time than a down year? Maybe he needs another address at this point or maybe he needs a full offseason playing ball somewhere. I am not sold on Cecchini as yet. He is not (to me) overly athletic at 3B. I see him more at 1B. The jury will remain out on Castillo. On balance I think that realistically it will take few years for the 'Mookies' of our system to arrive and get acclimated. I am willing to wait and enjoy watching the evolution. Kelly looks like a keeper and Rodriguez shows promise too. With Buch and perhaps Lester/Shields, we could look ok at SP. Miller would be a huge get for the pen which needs significant reinforcements IMO. BTW, I have not given up on Craig. Man, this guy had great stats in the minors and majors before this year. If he is injured, why are the Sox trotting him out there. I look forward to his revival next season...You wait...
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Post by p23w on Sept 22, 2014 12:06:00 GMT -5
sarasoxerI still don't think this year's team is that far off from being a PO competitor. What it needs is for Bogaerts and Betts to have another season under their belts, Castillo a full season, the team to make up it's mind at 1b, move the extra parts in the OF it has no use for. They wasted over 1 month with Middlebrooks when Cecchini could have been getting a long look at 3b, that was costly. Taking 1 season to fill in the final pieces that can be from within, then after 2015 the rest via FA the team would be in a much better situation youth wise and seemingly a stronger team for that reason alone, not to mention payroll wise. Possibly look to retain Cespedes, get rid of Victorino (even paying off the contract) Craig, even attempting to send him back to Stl as damaged goods in order to get out from under his remaining salary. Well, I don't think the time spent with WMB was wasted. We had to find out if he could be resurrected and what better time than a down year? Maybe he needs another address at this point or maybe he needs a full offseason playing ball somewhere. I am not sold on Cecchini as yet. He is not (to me) overly athletic at 3B. I see him more at 1B. The jury will remain out on Castillo. On balance I think that realistically it will take few years for the 'Mookies' of our system to arrive and get acclimated. I am willing to wait and enjoy watching the evolution. Kelly looks like a keeper and Rodriguez shows promise too. With Buch and perhaps Lester/Shields, we could look ok at SP. Miller would be a huge get for the pen which needs significant reinforcements IMO. BTW, I have not given up on Craig. Man, this guy had great stats in the minors and majors before this year. If he is injured, why are the Sox trotting him out there. I look forward to his revival next season...You wait... I am sold with respect to Betts. I have lowered my expectations in regards to Bogaerts, but I remain optimistic. Need to see more of Castillo before I will venture an opinion. Middlebrooks, dare I say this, warrants further patience. I say this only because his injury may have temporarily sapped some of his power. I know, I know.... his numbers were attrocious and his pitch recognition and selection seem to have only marginally improved, BUT, when the boy squares the ball he hits it hard. Many loud outs came off his bat since his return to Boston. We agree on Cecchini. As well as with Cespedes. Not sure what to make of Craig. I dislike making judgements on players with nagging injuries, unless they prove perennial. I was never as high on Victorino, as most, for this very reason. For me 2015 ST will amount to one stays, one goes between Craig and Victorino. I venture no guesses. The pitching staff is another discussion altogether, although I will cast my vote on resigning Miller. I am pleased with Kelly, and would love to see the return of Jon Lester but my desire is purely one of loyalty and without consideration of the fiduciary wherewithal of management. One final note. Brenz has impressed me. Too soon to form a solid opinion, but reason for optimism.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 22, 2014 18:09:44 GMT -5
p23w....Brentz has always been a favorite of mine. I honestly think that had a succession of injuries not occurred, he would be in the 2015 outfield discussion. IMO, he is an underrated fielder and has a Bradley-like arm. Power (a current rarity especially on the Sox) is that of WMB a few years ago. If we don't trade him, I look for major advances at AAA in 2015 and consideration in the 2016 Sox outfield. He is like what was said about Rocky Marciano....."even when he misses, he hurts you".
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 22, 2014 18:34:19 GMT -5
p23w....Brentz has always been a favorite of mine. I honestly think that had a succession of injuries not occurred, he would be in the 2015 outfield discussion. IMO, he is an underrated fielder and has a Bradley-like arm. Power (a current rarity especially on the Sox) is that of WMB a few years ago. If we don't trade him, I look for major advances at AAA in 2015 and consideration in the 2016 Sox outfield. He is like what was said about Rocky Marciano....."even when he misses, he hurts you". This is very little to go on but I'll put it out there anyways. Last week, I was sort of half paying attention to a game while doing other things when I heard the announcers say Brentz coming up. I watched the AB and found myself astounded by the way the ball jumped off his bat for a line-drive hit to LF. I have followed him since he was drafted and agree that injuries (including the one caused by his own stupidity) have held him back.
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Post by p23w on Sept 22, 2014 20:05:53 GMT -5
p23w....Brentz has always been a favorite of mine. I honestly think that had a succession of injuries not occurred, he would be in the 2015 outfield discussion. IMO, he is an underrated fielder and has a Bradley-like arm. Power (a current rarity especially on the Sox) is that of WMB a few years ago. If we don't trade him, I look for major advances at AAA in 2015 and consideration in the 2016 Sox outfield. He is like what was said about Rocky Marciano....."even when he misses, he hurts you". This is very little to go on but I'll put it out there anyways. Last week, I was sort of half paying attention to a game while doing other things when I heard the announcers say Brentz coming up. I watched the AB and found myself astounded by the way the ball jumped off his bat for a line-drive hit to LF. I have followed him since he was drafted and agree that injuries (including the one caused by his own stupidity) have held him back. Saw Bremz at Fort Meyers in February. Totally agree about his arm. I like his form/follow through as well. Dare I say.... I thought Dewey. Yes, the ball does jump off his bat, reminiscent of WMB prior to his wrist injury. Got to have a few words with him. First impression, this kid is mentally tough. Not Pedroia tough, but quiet tough. I'd be happy if he flies under the trade radar and gets a full season at AAA with a September 2015 call up. I'll go out on a limb and postulate that Brenz could be a right handed Trot Nixon.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 22, 2014 20:09:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I would go as far as saying I wouldn't flinch at a Nava/Brentz strict R/L platoon in one of the corners if a trade for an elite pitcher/player involved Cespedes or Victorino.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 22, 2014 23:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I would go as far as saying I wouldn't flinch at a Nava/Brentz strict R/L platoon in one of the corners if a trade for an elite pitcher/player involved Cespedes or Victorino. Why bother? Farrell would find a way to play Gomes anyway.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 23, 2014 13:15:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I would go as far as saying I wouldn't flinch at a Nava/Brentz strict R/L platoon in one of the corners if a trade for an elite pitcher/player involved Cespedes or Victorino. Why bother? Farrell would find a way to play Gomes anyway. "I can't quit you…"
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