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Chris Sale
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Post by nomar on Sept 25, 2014 12:12:05 GMT -5
He could be on the block this winter. Would you be willing to give up Mookie for him?
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Post by greenmonsterwhalers on Sept 25, 2014 12:30:59 GMT -5
Yes. He's a 25 year old lefty ace under team control for the next five years at a huge bargain rate. Here is his salary in millions for the next five years: 6, 9.15, 12, team option for 12.5, team option for 13.5. As a bonus, he's had great success against the Yankees.
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Post by jmei on Sept 25, 2014 12:54:17 GMT -5
He's very, very unlikely to be moved, but I'd absolutely trade Mookie for him. Sale and his contract are certainly among the top 10 assets in baseball.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 25, 2014 14:26:03 GMT -5
I've come around to keeping Mookie on the team, but if we can get Sale for him (and a bunch of other top prospects) I wouldn't even hesitate. Mookie, Owens Swihart, Devers, I'd give them all up for Sale easily
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 11:12:15 GMT -5
Dave Cameron hypothesized a potential scenario where the Sox center a deal around Bogaerts for Sale.
He also noted there is probably a 5% chance Bogaerts is dealt, which I agree with. That being said, Sale for Bogaerts + Owens + Rijo sounds good to me
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Post by larrycook on Nov 24, 2014 22:48:45 GMT -5
I do not think we can put together a package enticing enough for Chicago to deal sale.
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Post by nomar on Nov 25, 2014 3:16:58 GMT -5
I do not think we can put together a package enticing enough for Chicago to deal sale. Cant or won't? Because we easily could
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 25, 2014 10:54:22 GMT -5
I don't think Chicago is willing to move him. I actually think they are a sleeper to sign Lester
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Post by danr on Nov 25, 2014 11:19:12 GMT -5
Why would they trade Sale with that kind of contract? It would be very difficult for them to realize better value in a trade. I just don't see it happening.
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Post by greenmonstah on Nov 29, 2014 18:00:57 GMT -5
One of the few guys I'd give up Mookie for, but there's no way Sale is going anywhere, especially with the White Sox looking like they want to go hard for the playoffs next year. They signed LaRoche and are reportedly going after Samardzija.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Dec 2, 2014 7:25:07 GMT -5
Jared Carrabis on Twitter is stating that right now the Red Sox plan B to signing Lester is going after Chris Sale. He'd cost a ton, obviously, but if you're going to trade Bogaerts or Betts, this is the kind of guy you do it for. Young, cost controlled Ace that you'd hold the rights to for multiple seasons (5 if you include team options).
Chicago would have to be blown away to trade Sale, so I'd guess it's one of Bogaerts or Betts, one of Owens or Rodriguez, and one of Barnes or Ranaudo. If that (or more) is the type of package they'd want, personally I'd rather just pay Lester, even if it gets above the $150M mark, but thought it was interesting to discuss since its out there in the rumor mill.
*Carrabis covers the Sox for Barstool, and his list of followers is impressive. Again, this still could be off-target, but I thought it was interesting to know and discuss.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2014 21:42:01 GMT -5
Jared Carrabis on Twitter is stating that right now the Red Sox plan B to signing Lester is going after Chris Sale. He'd cost a ton, obviously, but if you're going to trade Bogaerts or Betts, this is the kind of guy you do it for. Young, cost controlled Ace that you'd hold the rights to for multiple seasons (5 if you include team options). Chicago would have to be blown away to trade Sale, so I'd guess it's one of Bogaerts or Betts, one of Owens or Rodriguez, and one of Barnes or Ranaudo. If that (or more) is the type of package they'd want, personally I'd rather just pay Lester, even if it gets above the $150M mark, but thought it was interesting to discuss since its out there in the rumor mill. *Carrabis covers the Sox for Barstool, and his list of followers is impressive. Again, this still could be off-target, but I thought it was interesting to know and discuss. If he did, in fact, tweet that - and I believe you, because he has a bunch of replies about Sale and the White Sox - he has since deleted it. By the way, dude must have literally spent all day on Twitter yesterday. That said, I wouldn't call Carrabis a reliable source on this sort of thing. He's noteworthy because he was the Vice President of Red Sox Nation back when they had that vote that Remy won. That's why he has so many followers.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 2, 2014 21:46:07 GMT -5
He also ran the largest Red Sox fan site on Myspace.
That sounds like a joke, but it isn't. He updated frequently and had almost as many friends as Tom. The internet was a different place in 2006.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Dec 3, 2014 7:36:20 GMT -5
Wow, thanks guys. I generally take a look at if people have been right in the past (ie, when the kid from St Louis first had the Stanton extension) or their list of followers to gain credibility for their posts. I knew about Carrabis on Barstool, but had no idea about the stuff from the Red Sox nation debauchery leading to his "connections" with those people.
For what it's worth (not much) he sticks to this Sale thing pretty adamantly. However, a recent tweet suggests Swihart, Owens, Marrero and Barnes, which since I think most of us would do this in three seconds (the first two regrouping from shock) means he likely has no reliable connections as I don't think Chicago would ever make that deal.
Carry on with our assumption that there is pretty much no chance the ChiSox trade Sale.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 9, 2014 19:40:32 GMT -5
Reports of the sox offering swihart, 2 or 3 top pitching prospects and marrero/checchini for sale.
I seriously doubt the white sox move sale, but we can certainly make it hard for them to say no.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 9, 2014 19:44:39 GMT -5
Reports of the sox offering swihart, 2 or 3 top pitching prospects and marrero/checchini for sale. I seriously doubt the white sox move sale, but we can certainly make it hard for them to say no. Again, please cite your sources.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 9, 2014 20:46:37 GMT -5
Reports of the sox offering swihart, 2 or 3 top pitching prospects and marrero/checchini for sale. I seriously doubt the white sox move sale, but we can certainly make it hard for them to say no. Again, please cite your sources. Baseballhotcorner.con
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 9, 2014 20:53:19 GMT -5
Again, please cite your sources. Baseballhotcorner.con What is this site? Why are they the only source? Sounds like a bunch of made up crap to me.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 9, 2014 21:18:53 GMT -5
Their source is most likely jake Wesley and his little cousin
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Post by larrycook on Dec 9, 2014 23:31:07 GMT -5
Author's name is frank Pimentel. Look it up. Article is still there.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 10, 2014 0:03:42 GMT -5
Author's name is frank Pimentel. Look it up. Article is still there. It wouldn't be hard for the ChiSox to say no to a Sale trade. They now have a strong 1-2 punch for the playoffs. Why do they want to give that up for prospects? I'm always amazed here that people don't think that other teams want to win, too.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2014 6:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonstah on Dec 13, 2014 21:25:05 GMT -5
Yep, the Sale train (if Chicago were even considering trading him in the first place, which I doubt) has passed, White Sox are making a playoff push and Sale will help lead them.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 14, 2014 2:24:25 GMT -5
Did the white sox just sign melky? Seems they are all in on putting together a winning team next season and trading sale is not going to happen.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 8, 2015 15:39:52 GMT -5
I can't imagine this happening unless Hahn/Williams get the boot and are replaced by a Billy Beane clone, but what do you guys think of a deal like this?
Red Sox get: Sale, Abreu White Sox get: Swihart, Margot, Johnson/Owens, Marrero, Joe Kelly, Nava
Its a quantity v quality trade, which I know most trade speculators don't like as they often don't happen, but this would be essentially hitting the reset button for the White Sox.
The pros for the Red Sox is that it would fill their two largest holes (with a LHRP being the third) for both this year and the next few years at below market $$ costs. Each of the players above i find to be expendable as the Red Sox have other options in the system.
The White Sox rebuild with a stud rookie starting catcher, a stud OF prospect about 1 year away, a top 50 pitching prospect who is near ready, a SS who can give them the same production they currently have with a bit of room to grow (Would assume Alexei gets traded elsewhere) along with another arm with upside that needs some work. (Nava would be a placeholder at a reasonable cost)
It clearly has a snowball's chance of happening (kinda like the Punto trade) but what do you guys think in terms of value and fit?
(looking at Fangraphs depth charts, this would move the Red Sox from being the 8th best team over the rest of the season to being the second best team. It would also put them in a dead heat with the Yankees at ~86 wins to win the AL east)
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