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Chris Sale
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2016 13:32:51 GMT -5
Guys your not getting Sale without giving up Moncada or Benintendi. White Sox would be stupid if they did not demand one of them. Also please stop with the trading Betts, Bradley and Shaw, it just makes no sense. I wouldn't trade Betts for Sale, never mind adding a bunch more to deal.
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Chris Sale
Jul 23, 2016 13:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by cambos174 on Jul 23, 2016 13:49:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't hesitate to give up Beni. I don't think I'd give him up in addition to the package I previously mentioned, but I'd certainly replace Devers with him. Beni, Swihart, Erod and Travis for Sale in a heartbeat if it got it done.
I just wouldn't trade Moncada unless a virtual 1:1 or any of the killer B's who are already providing the value in the majors equal to Sale yet make less and have more years of control.
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Jul 23, 2016 13:55:18 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 23, 2016 13:55:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't hesitate to give up Beni. I don't think I'd give him up in addition to the package I previously mentioned, but I'd certainly replace Devers with him. Beni, Swihart, Erod and Travis for Sale in a heartbeat if it got it done. I just wouldn't trade Moncada unless a virtual 1:1 or any of the killer B's who are already providing the value in the majors equal to Sale yet make less and have more years of control. That isn't enough still. The Rangers are offering Profar and Gallo, just to start the conversation.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 23, 2016 14:03:43 GMT -5
“@jonheyman: chisox said to seek 5 top prospects for sale. rivals do not blame them & 1 said ”they will get it!“ t.co/OOh2U9vlZ5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 23, 2016 14:08:32 GMT -5
“@jonheyman: chisox said to seek 5 top prospects for sale. rivals do not blame them & 1 said ”they will get it!“ t.co/OOh2U9vlZ5Hopefully not from the Red Sox. Sale is an excellent pitcher on an excellent contract, but he's not Pedro in his prime and for the Red Sox to tear apart their entire farm system for one guy - a pitcher who can get injured at any point, would be foolish. Especially when he's not "dominant", but merely excellent or great. The Red Sox will need Moncada, Devers, Benintendi, Kopech, and whoever else is a top prospect sooner than later. Hopefully somebody else, and not the Red Sox, cleans out their farm system for Sale. The gamble (that Pomeranz is an emerging ace or something like that) that sent away Espinoza was already risky enough.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 23, 2016 14:12:26 GMT -5
I would think that a package headlined with Erod, Swihart, Devers & Travis should do it with a few more throw ins (Owens, Light). It would be a lot of talent to give up, but all at positions that the Sox have options and/or players blocking them already. I'd probably want to get Robertson back as well. The rotation would be pretty nuts for a few years and would give Kopech and Groome time to develop. You've got the right idea as far as Devers, E-Rod, and Swihart, but add Moncada and Benintendi to the mix, then that's what the White Sox would want. The White Sox aren't forced to deal Chris Sale. Unless they get blown away they're not going to deal him. Some team just might blow them away, but it will take the top prospects and some emerging young talented regulars.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2016 14:24:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't hesitate to give up Beni. I don't think I'd give him up in addition to the package I previously mentioned, but I'd certainly replace Devers with him. Beni, Swihart, Erod and Travis for Sale in a heartbeat if it got it done. I just wouldn't trade Moncada unless a virtual 1:1 or any of the killer B's who are already providing the value in the majors equal to Sale yet make less and have more years of control. I love Moncada but you are way over valuing him. You really think Moncada is equal to Benintendi, Swihart, ERod, and Travis? Did you like Valentine as manager?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 23, 2016 15:42:58 GMT -5
I think ERod or Pomeranz gets you a good way there. You will have to give up one of Moncada or Benintendi too in all likelihood, but after that you may be able to get away with Devers or Swihart, unless they love Vazquez, then by all means.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 23, 2016 15:48:41 GMT -5
“@jonheyman: chisox said to seek 5 top prospects for sale. rivals do not blame them & 1 said ”they will get it!“ t.co/OOh2U9vlZ5Theo offered 6 for King Felix in his prime, I believe. As I recall, some guys who were rated highly at the time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 23, 2016 15:51:15 GMT -5
I would guess the deal would be Sale and Robertson for one of E-Rod or Pomerantz, Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, and Swihart. That's what I'd require if I were the White Sox.
And I'd run far away in the other direction if I were the Red Sox.
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Jul 23, 2016 16:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 23, 2016 16:25:39 GMT -5
Woukd you give up the next 6 to 8 years of Betts, Moncada, Devers, Kopech and Groome for Sale and Robertson? I certainly would not. I don't think any pitcher including Kershaw would be worth creating so many holes in the Red Sox future. We saw last night how even an average MLB like Gibson could shut down the Red Sox which could happen just as well in a wild card game. This team needs to keep guys such as Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley and Moncada to offset the loss of Ortiz after this year. There is no reason to give up the future and the farm system for the chance to win the World Series this year.
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Post by theburn on Jul 23, 2016 17:19:00 GMT -5
Conspicuous scratch from tonight's start:
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 15m15 minutes ago Chris Sale has, in fact, been scratched from his start by @whitesox, confirming @bnicholsonsmith report.
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Chris Sale
Jul 23, 2016 17:42:34 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Jul 23, 2016 17:42:34 GMT -5
Oh, God, I'm nervous. Really, I can live with trading anyone but Yoan. Any ONE. But the idea of something like 3 of the top 5? Then basically anything short of a championship this season is a catastrophe. Maybe back-to-back. Because 3 years from now, things get dicey with declining, expensive staff.
I'd rather stick with what they have in the rotation. I think it could suffice.
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Post by cambos174 on Jul 23, 2016 19:31:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't hesitate to give up Beni. I don't think I'd give him up in addition to the package I previously mentioned, but I'd certainly replace Devers with him. Beni, Swihart, Erod and Travis for Sale in a heartbeat if it got it done. I just wouldn't trade Moncada unless a virtual 1:1 or any of the killer B's who are already providing the value in the majors equal to Sale yet make less and have more years of control. I love Moncada but you are way over valuing him. You really think Moncada is equal to Benintendi, Swihart, ERod, and Travis? Did you like Valentine as manager? I appreciate the snark, but nowhere did I say that Moncada was worth more than that package. What I did say was I wouldn't want to deal him and implied that I would if it meant saving the rest of the system. That's all. Moncada has a place to play on the Sox (assuming he can hack it at third). These other guys don't (necessarily). I think Gallo is going to really struggle in the majors. Could be wrong, but his K rate would scare me a lot to consider him a main piece. The power is obviously huge, but makes me think of Brandon Wood and is probably a upside of Adam Dunn. My really on the same level as Moncada, in my opinion.
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Post by sdl on Jul 23, 2016 20:09:42 GMT -5
Buchholz, Owens, Castillo, Swihart or Vazquez and Trey Ball for Sale and Robertson or a top-tier minor leaguer
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2016 20:19:04 GMT -5
Buchholz, Owens, Castillo, Swihart or Vazquez and Trey Ball for Sale and Robertson or a top-tier minor leaguer If this is sarcastic, then you are a genious, sir. If not, well ...
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Chris Sale
Jul 23, 2016 20:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Jul 23, 2016 20:23:07 GMT -5
The white sox have three pitchers that could seriously put us over the top this year.
We have tons of prospects they desire, plus we can throw in price, who is clearly not cut out to pitch in Boston.
Seems like dombrowski should be able to put something together.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 23, 2016 20:33:58 GMT -5
It appears that Sale was scratched from his start tonight as they sent him home after he cut up their throwback uniforms which he said feel uncomfortable. You have to question where his head is at when you hear something like that bothered him so much that he cut them up to try to get his way.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 23, 2016 20:55:51 GMT -5
It appears that Sale was scratched from his start tonight as they sent him home after he cut up their throwback uniforms which he said feel uncomfortable. You have to question where his head is at when you hear something like that bothered him so much that he cut them up to try to get his way. Part of me thinks he's trying to lower his own trade value so the trade actually ends up getting done.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 23, 2016 21:27:30 GMT -5
The white sox have three pitchers that could seriously put us over the top this year. We have tons of prospects they desire, plus we can throw in price, who is clearly not cut out to pitch in Boston. Seems like dombrowski should be able to put something together. We can throw in Price? Really, why would a rebuilding team want a $217 million struggling pitcher? C'mon use reason. It would cost the Sox Moncada, Benintendi plus others.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Jul 24, 2016 9:35:19 GMT -5
I don't think the ChiSox would move Sale for any package of Red Sox prospects that doesn't start with one of Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley Jr or Moncada - which is why I don't think we should deal for him. As great as he is, that is too much to give up. Try to get Quintana and Robertson, absolutely, but I think you can get those guys without including current pieces of your young MLB core or Moncada. Then, as mentioned in other threads, flip Pomeranz to a team in the NL that needs pitching as has a good farm system - LAD, SF and Pittsburgh would be my preferred targets, for the record.
Unfortunately, if we still had Espinoza and Margot, I think those could be very useful pieces to get Sale and Robertson. Instead, Dombrowski traded them for sub-optimal return.
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Post by jdb on Jul 24, 2016 9:45:29 GMT -5
Well 24 hours ago I thought there was a zero percent chance they traded Sale unless they went full rebuild and probably trade Quintana too by the offseason. Between Jersey Gate and Laroach they may be sick of him but still want to compete. That could bring a Pomeranz or ERod to the table and we could help their books by taking Melky and Robertsons $40 million these next two seasons.
I wonder if we got Sale/Melkey/ Robertson how much would you have to add to a Pom or ERod (not both) and Benny? Swihart or Shaw could be MLB ready pieces especially if the Chi Sox want to deal Fraizer before the last year of his deal. I love the idea of Swihart behind the plate but the front office would know if is glove and game calling are going to make it. Would hate to see Benny elsewhere but finding a LF for Fenway would be easier than finding a #1.
I'm inclined to see what our staff can do with Price, Wright, Pomz, Porcello, ERod since it's set for two years and stand pat.
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Post by cto94 on Jul 24, 2016 11:24:42 GMT -5
The idea that we'd be dealing Bradley, Betts or Bogaerts is kindof absurd- Bogaerts and Betts both look like they might hit 7 fWAR this year at age 23 and are under contract for less money than Sale is, in addition to being younger, and Bradley is basically in the same boat, though his track record gives a little more cause for concern I suppose. Basically any of those 3 guys are probably worth just as much as Sale is, especially when you consider that we have what should be a very good rotation locked up for the next 2 years at least. And Price has better peripherals than Sale this year- Sale's K/9 is below 9 for the first time ever basically, he's seen a 1.5 MPH drop in fastball velocity, and his FIP and xFIP are both around 3.70, while Price is at 3.36 and 3.25 respectively, and while his velocity is also down to 92.8, he put up excellent numbers when averaging 93.2 a couple years ago.
Despite this year, Price is likely just as good as Sale is, and the idea of stripping down the rest of the farm system seems like a terrible one- the clock is ticking on the point at which we'll have to shell out massive contracts to Bogaerts, Betts, Bradley and whoever else, including potentially Rodriguez, and without cheap young quality players to fill in the rest of the roster, we're going to have trouble retaining those guys and actually building a team around them. I would be on board if Quintana could be had for Rodriguez and Benintendi (no shot Sale is available for such a reasonable price)- I think that's a relatively fair package, but we look like we should be in a good place for the foreseeable future right now with no reason to get involved in a bidding war, so if the price were to exceed that by more than a lottery ticket, I say you stick with what you have
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Post by glassox on Jul 24, 2016 12:41:30 GMT -5
Shot in the dark Eduardo Rodriguez, Drew Pomeranz and pick 3 prospects not in the top 5. I would take Josh Ockimey, Luis Ax. Basabe and one of Marco Hernandez or Mauricio Dubon. It gives up a lot but not the killer B's or top 5. Puts the Sox in a spot for a 5th starter.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 24, 2016 13:36:58 GMT -5
Well wouldn't be surprised to see the dreaded "player to be named later," which in the current cba translates to Groome.
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