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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:00:26 GMT -5
Well wouldn't be surprised to see the dreaded "player to be named later," which in the current cba translates to Groome. Recently drafted and signed players are now allowed to be traded so that's not a factor anymore.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 24, 2016 14:31:37 GMT -5
I know it changed to include this seasons drafted players at one point but I thought there was still a period very short period before they could be traded. Or did that officially get changed with the Trea Turner fiasco?
Edit: Did a quick search and found "The day after the conclusion of the World Series." (May 2015) I'll see if I can find a more current change. Otherwise he'd still be a "player to be named" until then.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2016 18:19:59 GMT -5
I love Moncada but you are way over valuing him. You really think Moncada is equal to Benintendi, Swihart, ERod, and Travis? Did you like Valentine as manager? I appreciate the snark, but nowhere did I say that Moncada was worth more than that package. What I did say was I wouldn't want to deal him and implied that I would if it meant saving the rest of the system. That's all. Moncada has a place to play on the Sox (assuming he can hack it at third). These other guys don't (necessarily). I think Gallo is going to really struggle in the majors. Could be wrong, but his K rate would scare me a lot to consider him a main piece. The power is obviously huge, but makes me think of Brandon Wood and is probably a upside of Adam Dunn. My really on the same level as Moncada, in my opinion. I never said worth more, said equal and that's exactly what you implied. So how does Benintendi not have a place on team? More than likely he's playing for Sox before Moncada and clearly has a place next to Betts and Bradley going forward.
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Post by cambos174 on Jul 25, 2016 19:29:57 GMT -5
I originally had Devers and was leaving Beni out of that deal in my original post due to the very reason you pointed out: Beni has a place in the very short term. I'd be more inclined to move Devers than Beni.
That said, I'd be more inclined to move Beni than Moncada. Much more. Just my opinion on it, which obviously amounts to a hill of beans.
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Post by artfuldodger on Jul 26, 2016 5:45:48 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2016 5:58:45 GMT -5
Is a Benintendi, Devers, Swihart or Vasquez, Eduardo Rodriguez, plus Kopech package even in the ballpark for Sale?
There's the 5 young players they're asking for. If there's going to be a package that can be offered, this is the one that only makes sense for the Sox if they actually want to pursue Sale.
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Post by scarr0214 on Jul 26, 2016 6:12:09 GMT -5
Is a Benintendi, Devers, Swihart or Vasquez, Eduardo Rodriguez, plus Kopech package even in the ballpark for Sale? There's the 5 young players they're asking for. If there's going to be a package that can be offered, this is the one that only makes sense for the Sox if they actually want to pursue Sale. I don't think the White Sox would take that offer, and it's the maximum I would give up simply going on minor leaguers, and I still might not do it if I'm Dombrowski. My best offer would be Jackie Bradley, E-Rod, Swihart/Vazquez, and two lower level prospects. I love Jackie and would hate to see him go but I'd resign Betts and Bogaerts first, so Bradley is my odd man out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2016 6:49:48 GMT -5
Is a Benintendi, Devers, Swihart or Vasquez, Eduardo Rodriguez, plus Kopech package even in the ballpark for Sale? There's the 5 young players they're asking for. If there's going to be a package that can be offered, this is the one that only makes sense for the Sox if they actually want to pursue Sale. I don't think the White Sox would take that offer, and it's the maximum I would give up simply going on minor leaguers, and I still might not do it if I'm Dombrowski. My best offer would be Jackie Bradley, E-Rod, Swihart/Vazquez, and two lower level prospects. I love Jackie and would hate to see him go but I'd resign Betts and Bogaerts first, so Bradley is my odd man out. Yeah there's no way the White Sox take that. I would rather give up Benintendi than JBJ, and I'm a huge Benintendi fan. Ohh and I'd ride out JBJ until free agency like the Sox did with Jacoby.
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Post by scarr0214 on Jul 26, 2016 9:42:15 GMT -5
I don't think the White Sox would take that offer, and it's the maximum I would give up simply going on minor leaguers, and I still might not do it if I'm Dombrowski. My best offer would be Jackie Bradley, E-Rod, Swihart/Vazquez, and two lower level prospects. I love Jackie and would hate to see him go but I'd resign Betts and Bogaerts first, so Bradley is my odd man out. Yeah there's no way the White Sox take that. I would rather give up Benintendi than JBJ, and I'm a huge Benintendi fan. Ohh and I'd ride out JBJ until free agency like the Sox did with Jacoby. I agree I'd much rather have JBJ. I'm just assuming the White Sox would too.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 26, 2016 11:30:36 GMT -5
I do not think Sale is going anywhere but:
Sale for;
E Rod, Pomeranz, Basabe, Hernandez & Chavis
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 26, 2016 11:33:31 GMT -5
I do not think Sale is going anywhere but: Sale for; E Rod, Pomeranz, Basabe, Hernandez & Chavis Certainly not going anywhere for that package.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 26, 2016 13:15:02 GMT -5
I can't see Sale going anywhere. It would cripple any ML teams' minor league system. I would really hope that DD at least tries to get Quintana. Because of his cheap control, I would be comfortable moving some prospects, even AB. E-Rod/AB +. It's the PLUS that will determine a fair trade.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 26, 2016 15:13:36 GMT -5
Phil Rogers @philgrogers 1h1 hour ago Can say @whitesox love redsox CF Andrew Benintendi. He could be the front man in a multi-player Chris Sale trade if talks progress.
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Post by nomar on Jul 26, 2016 15:41:48 GMT -5
Phil Rogers @philgrogers 1h1 hour ago Can say @whitesox love redsox CF Andrew Benintendi. He could be the front man in a multi-player Chris Sale trade if talks progress. The question is whether or not Devers is a hind man
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jul 26, 2016 15:55:59 GMT -5
Here's what they should trade
E-Rod---23 years old had a good season last year and an injury plagued year Moncada Devers
That's should get it done. We can put Benintendi in LF. Bradley in CF. Mookie in RF. Keep our IF the same. Then we got
Price Wright Sale Porcello Pomeranz
That's a solid solid solid team. Yes it would be hard to give up Moncada because we lost tons of prospects this season but he has a lot more hype to his name and I just see Benintendi being a better fit for us and if we replace Moncada in the deal with Benintendi I think we will have to add 2 more prospects in the top 10-20 range.
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Post by nomar on Jul 26, 2016 15:59:40 GMT -5
Not that Sale's value isn't this high, but I'm not willing to give 2 of Benintendi, Moncada, and Devers up for him. It doesn't make sense for Boston given how thin the farm is and and we have 5 SPs locked up for multiple years (if you believe in ERod). So unless Dave has a steal up his sleeve, I don't think a Sale trade makes sense at this point.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 26, 2016 17:13:29 GMT -5
Just wanted to throw out there that Dave Cameron recently gave the following trade value ranks to the players being discussed: 15. Sale 25. Quintana 26. Moncada 36. Urias 38. Benintendi www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-1-to-10/I think a few of the offers above for Sale are too high and would make the team weaker in 2017. If that's the cost, then I hope we pass. In the meantime we can cross our fingers and hope the Sale/White Sox issues continue to get worse and see if the price comes down.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 26, 2016 17:41:57 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo 2m2 minutes ago Talked to multiple MLB execs who say same thing: Sale trade 'highly unlikely' unless White Sox absolutely blown away
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jul 26, 2016 20:23:44 GMT -5
As good as he is, Chris Sale is an injury risk waiting to happen with that delivery. Plus some of the recent off-field stuff should concern folks. I'd rather hold onto Benintendi and Moncada and go with what they've got. Looking at the playoffs, Price-Wright-Porcello-Pomeranz should get it done. If anything, adding a bullpen arm would be ideal.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2016 0:45:16 GMT -5
As good as he is, Chris Sale is an injury risk waiting to happen with that delivery. Plus some of the recent off-field stuff should concern folks. I'd rather hold onto Benintendi and Moncada and go with what they've got. Looking at the playoffs, Price-Wright-Porcello-Pomeranz should get it done. If anything, adding a bullpen arm would be ideal. If people keep predicting Sale will get hurt they're going to be right eventually because basically every pitcher gets hurt at some point. But he's been awfully durable and it seems pretty clear to me that either his delivery doesn't cause any more stress than a traditional one or that Sale's body is build to handle it.
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Post by telluricrook on Jul 27, 2016 1:27:13 GMT -5
Why does everybody like sale so much? Everywhere I go I hear this guys name being thrown around! What has he ever won? This guy has never even been in a big game. He's great in games that dont matter, Never pitched in october. Dont even want this child around this red sox team he causes too many problems it doesnt matter who the GM or the Manager is.
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Post by barney27 on Jul 27, 2016 6:33:12 GMT -5
forget whether it is sale, verlander or trout. To me the question is are you that ONE player away from winning or have the potential to win multi titles. Years ago the mets traded 4 prospects for gary carter because he was the one player they needed. It hurt their farm system for awhile. are the sox one player away from contending for the title for several years? Two years ago the sox had a pile load of projected starting pitching in the farm system. E rod I think will make it, but the jury is still out. Barnes appears to be settling in as a quality reliever. But what about the other 5 or 6. How close is the farm system to providing that player thru a trade to getting them to the top without making a mess of the organization for a while. I think they are 2 players away. Maybe 3.
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Post by geostorm on Sept 2, 2016 13:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Sept 2, 2016 14:01:48 GMT -5
Considering Bradley is a lot cheaper, has more team control, is younger, and produced roughly the same value this year (4.6 bWAR to 5.0), I wouldn't make that trade straight up. Never mind also including prospects.
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Post by geostorm on Sept 2, 2016 14:09:02 GMT -5
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